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	<title>Comments on: Bell Canada: using client data</title>
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		<title>By: Drake</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16444/comment-page-1#comment-616661</link>
		<dc:creator>Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ontario residents can now join the class action suit against Bell for throttling.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20831392-Class-action-against-Bell-now-in-Ontario</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ontario residents can now join the class action suit against Bell for throttling.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20831392-Class-action-against-Bell-now-in-Ontario" rel="nofollow">http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20831392-Class-action-against-Bell-now-in-Ontario</a></p>
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		<title>By: 3rd Party ISP user</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16444/comment-page-1#comment-615974</link>
		<dc:creator>3rd Party ISP user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently there has been a notice sent from Bell to third party ISPs indicating that they wish to move the current 5 meg service to a 7 meg and 16 meg service for the GAS customers... The sad part is that they wish to introduce per usage billing over the new tiers to the wholesale providers, making me wonder whether they actually had the intention of using DPI to reduce bandwidth use? or to have a method of measuring the bandwidth used by individual user towards each ISP? What wil be next?
I believe Bell was simply playing a spin on things and had their own plan all along with this DPI stuff... 
Its funny how many people actually believe everything Bell says... all I can say is that someday they&#039;ll figure out what Bell is actually doing...

I have a saying that holds true for anyone:

&quot;Tell the truth and tomorrow it will remain the truth and you will hold my trust. Tell a lie, we may believe it&#039;s the truth tomorrow, but the day after that we may find out it was a lie and we will lose all trust in you forever.&quot; or for short, honesty is the best policy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently there has been a notice sent from Bell to third party ISPs indicating that they wish to move the current 5 meg service to a 7 meg and 16 meg service for the GAS customers&#8230; The sad part is that they wish to introduce per usage billing over the new tiers to the wholesale providers, making me wonder whether they actually had the intention of using DPI to reduce bandwidth use? or to have a method of measuring the bandwidth used by individual user towards each ISP? What wil be next?<br />
I believe Bell was simply playing a spin on things and had their own plan all along with this DPI stuff&#8230;<br />
Its funny how many people actually believe everything Bell says&#8230; all I can say is that someday they&#8217;ll figure out what Bell is actually doing&#8230;</p>
<p>I have a saying that holds true for anyone:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tell the truth and tomorrow it will remain the truth and you will hold my trust. Tell a lie, we may believe it&#8217;s the truth tomorrow, but the day after that we may find out it was a lie and we will lose all trust in you forever.&#8221; or for short, honesty is the best policy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ottawa Gal</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16444/comment-page-1#comment-613280</link>
		<dc:creator>Ottawa Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we get to see it, I would be surprised. Someones private network data was used and this may be kept a company secret. But you never know.... I find it a bit dirty to go digging on confidential data and using it as ammo. It may back fire... It goes to show how Bell is keeping the little competition on a string and watching everything.

With DPI, bell can watch right down to the user level and associate Mac address/IP to an individual on the competitions network. Makes me wonder what other data they are compiling.

I think the next filing is due tomorrow or Wed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we get to see it, I would be surprised. Someones private network data was used and this may be kept a company secret. But you never know&#8230;. I find it a bit dirty to go digging on confidential data and using it as ammo. It may back fire&#8230; It goes to show how Bell is keeping the little competition on a string and watching everything.</p>
<p>With DPI, bell can watch right down to the user level and associate Mac address/IP to an individual on the competitions network. Makes me wonder what other data they are compiling.</p>
<p>I think the next filing is due tomorrow or Wed.</p>
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		<title>By: KChan</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16444/comment-page-1#comment-612830</link>
		<dc:creator>KChan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece, Don&#039;t forget the story on Market Place about Internet Speed, I think Market Place showed lot of &quot;no techies&quot; what we know all along; the ISP advertised speed and that what they actually get at home can be totally different.  I know at work I field several questions about their home internet speed, and yes some of those people switched.   (away to Cable or got a cheaper DSL plan)

I&#039;m actually looking forward to the next round of filings.  I wounder if we ever gets to see some of those &quot;file in confidence&quot; data?

And Trolls are abound on DSLReports, P2P, CBC etc...

Got to fight the good fight, Thanks Ottawa Gal.

KC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece, Don&#8217;t forget the story on Market Place about Internet Speed, I think Market Place showed lot of &#8220;no techies&#8221; what we know all along; the ISP advertised speed and that what they actually get at home can be totally different.  I know at work I field several questions about their home internet speed, and yes some of those people switched.   (away to Cable or got a cheaper DSL plan)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually looking forward to the next round of filings.  I wounder if we ever gets to see some of those &#8220;file in confidence&#8221; data?</p>
<p>And Trolls are abound on DSLReports, P2P, CBC etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Got to fight the good fight, Thanks Ottawa Gal.</p>
<p>KC</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16444/comment-page-1#comment-612573</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smacked that first poster in the head with a mailed fist... hard! Keep up the great work Ottawa Gal! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smacked that first poster in the head with a mailed fist&#8230; hard! Keep up the great work Ottawa Gal! <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ottawa Gal</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16444/comment-page-1#comment-612272</link>
		<dc:creator>Ottawa Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t own or work for tesavvy or P2Pnet.net.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t get a cent. I don’t advertise&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t even get Bell Internet or Teksavvy Internet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if I write something, How can I be in conflict?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Jon of P2Pnet has an ad thats between him and the advertiser.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Bell wants to put up an ad they are welcome to contact Jon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Either way, I write what I see with no baring of what Jon does.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In addition, there has been posts AGAINST some of his advertisers here IF you bother to look. So no, I have no interest in anything nor do I have a conflict of interest in anything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for taking the time for commenting though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Much appreciated,&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-Ottawa Gal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t own or work for tesavvy or P2Pnet.net.</p>
<p>I don’t get a cent. I don’t advertise</p>
<p>I can’t even get Bell Internet or Teksavvy Internet.</p>
<p>So if I write something, How can I be in conflict?</p>
<p>If Jon of P2Pnet has an ad thats between him and the advertiser.</p>
<p>If Bell wants to put up an ad they are welcome to contact Jon.</p>
<p>Either way, I write what I see with no baring of what Jon does.</p>
<p>In addition, there has been posts AGAINST some of his advertisers here IF you bother to look. So no, I have no interest in anything nor do I have a conflict of interest in anything.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time for commenting though.</p>
<p>Much appreciated,</p>
<p>-Ottawa Gal.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16444/comment-page-1#comment-612153</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No conflict of interest here with that big TekSavvy banner ad at the top of the page...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No conflict of interest here with that big TekSavvy banner ad at the top of the page&#8230;</p>
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