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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16513/comment-page-1#comment-643344</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder, how are long dead foreign songwriters and performers heirs found?
What incentive is there to find these if the money is kept by the one responsible to find the heirs?

My suggestion is that the money for foreigners should be paid to the countrie&#039;s consul so the money is kept for so many years for claiming and after that the noney should be use to suppor music schools.

ps: a well founded rumor is that the money collected in the USA by the so called performance rights organization never eaches the foreign songwriter or their heirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder, how are long dead foreign songwriters and performers heirs found?<br />
What incentive is there to find these if the money is kept by the one responsible to find the heirs?</p>
<p>My suggestion is that the money for foreigners should be paid to the countrie&#8217;s consul so the money is kept for so many years for claiming and after that the noney should be use to suppor music schools.</p>
<p>ps: a well founded rumor is that the money collected in the USA by the so called performance rights organization never eaches the foreign songwriter or their heirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam I Am</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16513/comment-page-1#comment-641124</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam I Am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats an average of $93 thousand per full and part time person. is there something wrong with my math?!?

No. Not at all, that math is reasonable. That&#039;s both salary AND benefit, remember?.....and benefit is often a third or more on top of salary. So a midlevel manager receiving $100,000 a year, say, would actually cost about $133K. And for every employee at that compensation level, there would have to be one at about $50K, to meet that average of $93K. But that 50K person, probably a secretary or other low level worker, is receiving barely $35,000 a year in actual salary (plus the benefits to the total of $50K) So the true high level executive salaries are offset by the far lower compensated support staff, and it all averages out to about $93,000. Got it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats an average of $93 thousand per full and part time person. is there something wrong with my math?!?</p>
<p>No. Not at all, that math is reasonable. That&#8217;s both salary AND benefit, remember?&#8230;..and benefit is often a third or more on top of salary. So a midlevel manager receiving $100,000 a year, say, would actually cost about $133K. And for every employee at that compensation level, there would have to be one at about $50K, to meet that average of $93K. But that 50K person, probably a secretary or other low level worker, is receiving barely $35,000 a year in actual salary (plus the benefits to the total of $50K) So the true high level executive salaries are offset by the far lower compensated support staff, and it all averages out to about $93,000. Got it?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;In 2007 they spent $26.5 million in salaries &amp; benefits&quot; - they say they have 300 full and part time employess.
thats an average of $93 thousand per full and part time person. 

is there something wrong with my math?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;In 2007 they spent $26.5 million in salaries &amp; benefits&#8221; &#8211; they say they have 300 full and part time employess.<br />
thats an average of $93 thousand per full and part time person. </p>
<p>is there something wrong with my math?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16513/comment-page-1#comment-640400</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thought I would check a few on the Socan missing artist list -
i picked two at random - Adams Charlie Noah &amp; Blondahl Omar -

it appears fron my Search that they have both passed away, sorry to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thought I would check a few on the Socan missing artist list -<br />
i picked two at random &#8211; Adams Charlie Noah &amp; Blondahl Omar -</p>
<p>it appears fron my Search that they have both passed away, sorry to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16513/comment-page-1#comment-640367</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to SOCAN&#039;s website:
http://www.socan.ca/pdf/en/2007FinancialReport.pdf

In 2007, they got $3.8 million from the Private Copying Collective.
In 2006, they got $4.9 million.

Some of this is money I paid in tariffs when I purchased blank media for purposes that had NOTHING to do with copying music.

Since they can&#039;t find all their musicians, can I apply to get at least some of my money back? 
And what do they do with this extra unfound-artist money anyway?

In 2007 they spent $26.5 million in salaries &amp; benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to SOCAN&#8217;s website:<br />
<a href="http://www.socan.ca/pdf/en/2007FinancialReport.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.socan.ca/pdf/en/2007FinancialReport.pdf</a></p>
<p>In 2007, they got $3.8 million from the Private Copying Collective.<br />
In 2006, they got $4.9 million.</p>
<p>Some of this is money I paid in tariffs when I purchased blank media for purposes that had NOTHING to do with copying music.</p>
<p>Since they can&#8217;t find all their musicians, can I apply to get at least some of my money back?<br />
And what do they do with this extra unfound-artist money anyway?</p>
<p>In 2007 they spent $26.5 million in salaries &amp; benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ I&#039;m trying to follow up on this.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ I&#8217;m trying to follow up on this.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16513/comment-page-1#comment-640081</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to SOCAN&#039;s site, with their own list of members who cannot be found:
http://www.socan.ca/jsp/en/MIAList08.jsp

(Maybe we can help find our guys too)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to SOCAN&#8217;s site, with their own list of members who cannot be found:<br />
<a href="http://www.socan.ca/jsp/en/MIAList08.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.socan.ca/jsp/en/MIAList08.jsp</a></p>
<p>(Maybe we can help find our guys too)</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, never heard of &lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt; of them, but will have to check them out now if anything can be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, never heard of <b>any</b> of them, but will have to check them out now if anything can be found.</p>
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		<title>By: A_F</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16513/comment-page-1#comment-633197</link>
		<dc:creator>A_F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course you can&#039;t!

you were supposed to mask spaces with _ or maybe - since those 2 characters are allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course you can&#8217;t!</p>
<p>you were supposed to mask spaces with _ or maybe &#8211; since those 2 characters are allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16513/comment-page-1#comment-633115</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ Unfortunately, I can&#039;t. I can&#039;t get it to load or display properly with the &#039;%20&#039;.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ Unfortunately, I can&#8217;t. I can&#8217;t get it to load or display properly with the &#8216;%20&#8242;.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: A_F</title>
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		<dc:creator>A_F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.
@jon, I see you have an space in the URL resp. the filename that is not properly masked Alter_Fritz like you know?!

while my browser &quot;masks&quot; that unmasked space In the URL with the proper control code automaticly (http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/soundexchange%20missingartists.txt) such &quot;newbee&quot; errors like spaces in URI&#039;s could create problems under some circumstances.
you might want to be on the save side by changing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.<br />
@jon, I see you have an space in the URL resp. the filename that is not properly masked Alter_Fritz like you know?!</p>
<p>while my browser &#8220;masks&#8221; that unmasked space In the URL with the proper control code automaticly (<a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/soundexchange%20missingartists.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/soundexchange%20missingartists.txt</a>) such &#8220;newbee&#8221; errors like spaces in URI&#8217;s could create problems under some circumstances.<br />
you might want to be on the save side by changing it.</p>
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		<title>By: A_F</title>
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		<dc:creator>A_F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I guess that must make Mr. Simson really happy that so many artists get what they deserve! ;-)

Thanks for the update. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I guess that must make Mr. Simson really happy that so many artists get what they deserve! <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the update. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A F,

I monitor the list on a regular basis, weekly or more frequently as my time permits.  Since we updated the full list a week and a half ago, another 20 names have been removed.   I can&#039;t tell you which ones yet, because it does take a bit of time to match the old list against the new one.  I will make sure that Jon has regular updates for the txt file.

That takes the tally since the project began three months ago to 317 &quot;found&quot; &quot;unfound&quot; artists, which is just about what SoundExchange found without organized outside help in over nine months before the project started.

Thanks to everyone who is proving that these artists can be found, and that you value them as much as you value the music they&#039;ve made.  

Keep looking, we still have 7,555 to go.

Fred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A F,</p>
<p>I monitor the list on a regular basis, weekly or more frequently as my time permits.  Since we updated the full list a week and a half ago, another 20 names have been removed.   I can&#8217;t tell you which ones yet, because it does take a bit of time to match the old list against the new one.  I will make sure that Jon has regular updates for the txt file.</p>
<p>That takes the tally since the project began three months ago to 317 &#8220;found&#8221; &#8220;unfound&#8221; artists, which is just about what SoundExchange found without organized outside help in over nine months before the project started.</p>
<p>Thanks to everyone who is proving that these artists can be found, and that you value them as much as you value the music they&#8217;ve made.  </p>
<p>Keep looking, we still have 7,555 to go.</p>
<p>Fred</p>
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		<title>By: A_F</title>
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		<dc:creator>A_F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, this way it makes more sense. And does not attract so much spammers since a .txt URL can&#039;t be spammed ;-)

So if you check with Fred from time to time and then update the list by either adding &quot;got paid&quot; behind names or deleting names completely from it while keeping its filename and location it has now, then it would be possible to use that URL for example in signatures or viralled out other way it it would be a really useful post of yours :-)

Thanks Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, this way it makes more sense. And does not attract so much spammers since a .txt URL can&#8217;t be spammed <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So if you check with Fred from time to time and then update the list by either adding &#8220;got paid&#8221; behind names or deleting names completely from it while keeping its filename and location it has now, then it would be possible to use that URL for example in signatures or viralled out other way it it would be a really useful post of yours <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks Jon</p>
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