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	<title>Comments on: BPI leader Mike Batt and a Loaf of Bread</title>
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		<title>By: mike batt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike batt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reasonable Person clearly has a high opinion of itself (neuter) - [the assumption that others are not reasonable being implied] but what does he or she do for a living? If that &quot;living&quot;  could be substituted in my &quot;bread&quot; analogy, would he, she or it be happy? I share it&#039;s ideal that poverty could and should be wiped out. Of course he/she/it would upload a Volkswagen to everyone if it/they could but what if their own son worked at the Volkswagen plant and would therefore be penniless? I share John Lennon&#039;s ideal that &quot;All you Need Is Love&quot; but he didn&#039;t only have love, did he? He had all the money he wanted and all the sex, drugs and rock &#039;n&#039; roll you could handle. What did he do? He sat in a bag with his lover in a posh hotel and talked about tolerance while people fought, died and starved.

The world, - poverty, war, religious fascism, are all realities. 

My points are valid points made in the course of a particular time of change in the art/culture/commerciality rules. Does Damien Hurst count as an artist or an industrialist?  Was Reasonable Person knocking at my door with a loaf of bread when I was -on three occasions - down and nearly out, selling my only amplifier to buy groceries? (Not so long ago). Until I know what Reasonable Person does for a living I will consider he/she/it to be &quot;idle hands&quot; (with time to read! - oh the luxury of that!) - and therefore in it&#039;s own words, &quot;the devil&#039;s playground&quot; (forgiving the quoted analogy of &quot;hands&quot; as a &quot;playground&quot;). I&#039;m bored now, so I&#039;ll stop.

Love to anyone who wants it.

Mike Batt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reasonable Person clearly has a high opinion of itself (neuter) &#8211; [the assumption that others are not reasonable being implied] but what does he or she do for a living? If that &#8220;living&#8221;  could be substituted in my &#8220;bread&#8221; analogy, would he, she or it be happy? I share it&#8217;s ideal that poverty could and should be wiped out. Of course he/she/it would upload a Volkswagen to everyone if it/they could but what if their own son worked at the Volkswagen plant and would therefore be penniless? I share John Lennon&#8217;s ideal that &#8220;All you Need Is Love&#8221; but he didn&#8217;t only have love, did he? He had all the money he wanted and all the sex, drugs and rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll you could handle. What did he do? He sat in a bag with his lover in a posh hotel and talked about tolerance while people fought, died and starved.</p>
<p>The world, &#8211; poverty, war, religious fascism, are all realities. </p>
<p>My points are valid points made in the course of a particular time of change in the art/culture/commerciality rules. Does Damien Hurst count as an artist or an industrialist?  Was Reasonable Person knocking at my door with a loaf of bread when I was -on three occasions &#8211; down and nearly out, selling my only amplifier to buy groceries? (Not so long ago). Until I know what Reasonable Person does for a living I will consider he/she/it to be &#8220;idle hands&#8221; (with time to read! &#8211; oh the luxury of that!) &#8211; and therefore in it&#8217;s own words, &#8220;the devil&#8217;s playground&#8221; (forgiving the quoted analogy of &#8220;hands&#8221; as a &#8220;playground&#8221;). I&#8217;m bored now, so I&#8217;ll stop.</p>
<p>Love to anyone who wants it.</p>
<p>Mike Batt</p>
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		<title>By: Reasonable Person</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16587/comment-page-1#comment-666658</link>
		<dc:creator>Reasonable Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it sounds a bit far fetched to some. Yes, replicators from Star Trek were (partly) my inspiration, but only after all the reading I&#039;ve done on particle physics this past month. I watched a fascinating Nova special on Einstein some weeks ago and it made me realize I had a huge gap in my scientific knowledge. Chemistry and physics were actually my best subjects in high school, so reading up on everything from relativity and E=MCÂ² to nuclear and quantum physics were actually pretty easy to understand, as well as very fascinating. I highly recommended it if you have even a passing interest in the subject matter, or have always wondered if any of that techno babble you hear on TV and in movies actually means anything. ;)

I really do believe that given enough time, mastery of both energy and matter is our destiny. There are also a number of other things that may sound like science fiction to most folks, especially those whom haven&#039;t taken the time to do some reading for themselves, which I believe will come to pass as well. The theories are sound, the initial groundwork is there in most cases, it is all just waiting for us to take them to their ultimate conclusion. Just look at everything around you. Seriously, look right now. Every scientific discovery and the technologies which arose from them all started as nothing more than an theory. Dreaming up ideas and turning the seemingly impossible into reality is truly a gift we humans are lucky to have, provided we can muster the wisdom to survive the novelty of our new inventions that is.

My belief is that there are a limitless number of great discoveries just waiting to be made, some being milestones that are true tests of whether a race of intelligent beings will be allowed continued existence. The splitting of the atom was one such test for example, and there will inevitably be others. Fusion might be one. Artificial intelligence will certainly be another. Complete mastery of matter and energy will be the ultimate milestone of course, as well as mastery of genetics. In all likelihood there will be some milestones we may not even be able to dream of at present because the human race and it&#039;s level of knowledge simply hasn&#039;t progressed far enough yet, discoveries that require completely new ways of thinking.

In all honesty, I don&#039;t think it is at all unreasonable to assume that the human race won&#039;t do away with poverty some day. A great many organizations and ideals will be rendered obsolete practically overnight, and this too will be a test for us. Idle hands really are the devils playground after all, and given that our scientific knowledge always seems to progress faster than society can keep up with it isn&#039;t hard to imagine that an end to poverty might actually result in something of a dark age for mankind. At least until experience and the wisdom which flows from that allows us to adapt and change our way of thinking. Like I said before, when those days come art/culture will still be important, possibly more important than ever if I&#039;m right.

So scoff if you want. History is full of great thinkers that were laughed at, or worse were prosecuted as heretics for their sometimes radical (often correct) ideas. But as an intelligent, free thinking and hopefully rational being, I know one truth above all else without any shadow of a doubt; as a race we can let ourselves fall backwards and relive all the mistakes of our ancestors, sit completely still and stagnate, or move forward and evolve. The choice is ours. Which would you all prefer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it sounds a bit far fetched to some. Yes, replicators from Star Trek were (partly) my inspiration, but only after all the reading I&#8217;ve done on particle physics this past month. I watched a fascinating Nova special on Einstein some weeks ago and it made me realize I had a huge gap in my scientific knowledge. Chemistry and physics were actually my best subjects in high school, so reading up on everything from relativity and E=MCÂ² to nuclear and quantum physics were actually pretty easy to understand, as well as very fascinating. I highly recommended it if you have even a passing interest in the subject matter, or have always wondered if any of that techno babble you hear on TV and in movies actually means anything. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I really do believe that given enough time, mastery of both energy and matter is our destiny. There are also a number of other things that may sound like science fiction to most folks, especially those whom haven&#8217;t taken the time to do some reading for themselves, which I believe will come to pass as well. The theories are sound, the initial groundwork is there in most cases, it is all just waiting for us to take them to their ultimate conclusion. Just look at everything around you. Seriously, look right now. Every scientific discovery and the technologies which arose from them all started as nothing more than an theory. Dreaming up ideas and turning the seemingly impossible into reality is truly a gift we humans are lucky to have, provided we can muster the wisdom to survive the novelty of our new inventions that is.</p>
<p>My belief is that there are a limitless number of great discoveries just waiting to be made, some being milestones that are true tests of whether a race of intelligent beings will be allowed continued existence. The splitting of the atom was one such test for example, and there will inevitably be others. Fusion might be one. Artificial intelligence will certainly be another. Complete mastery of matter and energy will be the ultimate milestone of course, as well as mastery of genetics. In all likelihood there will be some milestones we may not even be able to dream of at present because the human race and it&#8217;s level of knowledge simply hasn&#8217;t progressed far enough yet, discoveries that require completely new ways of thinking.</p>
<p>In all honesty, I don&#8217;t think it is at all unreasonable to assume that the human race won&#8217;t do away with poverty some day. A great many organizations and ideals will be rendered obsolete practically overnight, and this too will be a test for us. Idle hands really are the devils playground after all, and given that our scientific knowledge always seems to progress faster than society can keep up with it isn&#8217;t hard to imagine that an end to poverty might actually result in something of a dark age for mankind. At least until experience and the wisdom which flows from that allows us to adapt and change our way of thinking. Like I said before, when those days come art/culture will still be important, possibly more important than ever if I&#8217;m right.</p>
<p>So scoff if you want. History is full of great thinkers that were laughed at, or worse were prosecuted as heretics for their sometimes radical (often correct) ideas. But as an intelligent, free thinking and hopefully rational being, I know one truth above all else without any shadow of a doubt; as a race we can let ourselves fall backwards and relive all the mistakes of our ancestors, sit completely still and stagnate, or move forward and evolve. The choice is ours. Which would you all prefer?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16587/comment-page-1#comment-665741</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the Star Trek solution to the world&#039;s problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the Star Trek solution to the world&#8217;s problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16587/comment-page-1#comment-663107</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who am I?

TWO....FOUR....SIX......OOOOOO......OOOOONNNNNNEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

*goes to make bread; thus depriving bakers of their income*</description>
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<p>TWO&#8230;.FOUR&#8230;.SIX&#8230;&#8230;OOOOOO&#8230;&#8230;OOOOONNNNNNEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>*goes to make bread; thus depriving bakers of their income*</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16587/comment-page-1#comment-659981</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The day is coming when no currency will be used. Everyone will live off the land and share it freely. Any material desire will be attained. These are not the ideals of govt or the majority however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day is coming when no currency will be used. Everyone will live off the land and share it freely. Any material desire will be attained. These are not the ideals of govt or the majority however.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16587/comment-page-1#comment-658355</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bread analogy is comical as people have bread makers at home but bakers have not been put out of a job. 

Thank god i do not have to pay a blanc media fee on flour!

Simple awncer is that music used to be a high profit industry it is now changing to a low to medium profit industry due to changes in technology. sooner this is accepted by investors the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bread analogy is comical as people have bread makers at home but bakers have not been put out of a job. </p>
<p>Thank god i do not have to pay a blanc media fee on flour!</p>
<p>Simple awncer is that music used to be a high profit industry it is now changing to a low to medium profit industry due to changes in technology. sooner this is accepted by investors the better.</p>
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