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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-731054</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She wants the phone for ‘deniability’ purposes.&quot;
&quot;She can always claim a phone conversation was misquoted. E-Mail is forever.&quot;

Have the phone conversation with her, record it for your personal review, and then back it up with an email to her, saying:
&quot;as per our phone conversation, you said, &quot;blah blah blah&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She wants the phone for ‘deniability’ purposes.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;She can always claim a phone conversation was misquoted. E-Mail is forever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have the phone conversation with her, record it for your personal review, and then back it up with an email to her, saying:<br />
&#8220;as per our phone conversation, you said, &#8220;blah blah blah&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-728929</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, actually, they probably don&#039;t care a whole lot. I can count on one hand the number of people at the NCSC who read Slashdot. I can count on zero hands the number that read posts from Jon on p2pnet.net. There are probably less than 6 or so people (out of 150) there who even realize some big controversy is brewing.

The thing is, the NCSC only cares about court administration. The actual laws don&#039;t matter to them. It&#039;s not their thing. While it&#039;s certainly possible that someone high up received some money from the RIAA, I would seriously doubt it. It&#039;s more a lack of knowledge about the subject area. They just don&#039;t know any better and so are fine parroting the general, yet false, stance seen in the media. It&#039;s also a sign of over-reliance on outside consultants, something the Managing Editor of the comic book was notorious for. (The other one, not Lorri.)

But, part of a vast RIAA conspiracy? Not knowingly.

Admittedly, if it weren&#039;t for the fact that I used to work there and know the people involved, I&#039;d think it was a RIAA plot as well. They really really screwed up on it.

But, keep in mind, this is one product out of dozens that they produce. You never see the other products because it&#039;s all court administration stuff and most people find it really boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually, they probably don&#8217;t care a whole lot. I can count on one hand the number of people at the NCSC who read Slashdot. I can count on zero hands the number that read posts from Jon on p2pnet.net. There are probably less than 6 or so people (out of 150) there who even realize some big controversy is brewing.</p>
<p>The thing is, the NCSC only cares about court administration. The actual laws don&#8217;t matter to them. It&#8217;s not their thing. While it&#8217;s certainly possible that someone high up received some money from the RIAA, I would seriously doubt it. It&#8217;s more a lack of knowledge about the subject area. They just don&#8217;t know any better and so are fine parroting the general, yet false, stance seen in the media. It&#8217;s also a sign of over-reliance on outside consultants, something the Managing Editor of the comic book was notorious for. (The other one, not Lorri.)</p>
<p>But, part of a vast RIAA conspiracy? Not knowingly.</p>
<p>Admittedly, if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that I used to work there and know the people involved, I&#8217;d think it was a RIAA plot as well. They really really screwed up on it.</p>
<p>But, keep in mind, this is one product out of dozens that they produce. You never see the other products because it&#8217;s all court administration stuff and most people find it really boring.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-727042</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike some people running for political office, These people understand the power of the net.
She knows that once something she says hits the net, it will NEVER be forgotten.
She can always claim a phone conversation was misquoted. 

E-Mail is forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike some people running for political office, These people understand the power of the net.<br />
She knows that once something she says hits the net, it will NEVER be forgotten.<br />
She can always claim a phone conversation was misquoted. </p>
<p>E-Mail is forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Hippie</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-725785</link>
		<dc:creator>Hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I would think that a phone conversation would be more accurate. In print, confusion often arises over whether a person is being serious or joking. Or even what a particular phrase might mean. When you’re talking with someone on the phone, you can listen to the tone of their voice and ask for clarification. &quot;

 She wants the phone for &#039;deniability&#039; purposes.
 If it&#039;s not in cold hard print, it never happened. it&#039;s just
 he said, she said. Print is proof, print can&#039;t be denied.

 These people live by lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I would think that a phone conversation would be more accurate. In print, confusion often arises over whether a person is being serious or joking. Or even what a particular phrase might mean. When you’re talking with someone on the phone, you can listen to the tone of their voice and ask for clarification. &#8221;</p>
<p> She wants the phone for &#8216;deniability&#8217; purposes.<br />
 If it&#8217;s not in cold hard print, it never happened. it&#8217;s just<br />
 he said, she said. Print is proof, print can&#8217;t be denied.</p>
<p> These people live by lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-724510</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason those case types were picked was because they were &quot;ripped from the headlines.&quot; So I&#039;d take no more legal advice from these than I would from Law &amp; Order. (NCSC, being a not-for-profit, could not afford Vincent D&quot;Nofrio.)

The goal was to give the public an inside look at courts, not cases. The cases are just the storyline, if that makes sense. That was the idea; whether it was duly executed...that&#039;s another storyline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason those case types were picked was because they were &#8220;ripped from the headlines.&#8221; So I&#8217;d take no more legal advice from these than I would from Law &amp; Order. (NCSC, being a not-for-profit, could not afford Vincent D&#8221;Nofrio.)</p>
<p>The goal was to give the public an inside look at courts, not cases. The cases are just the storyline, if that makes sense. That was the idea; whether it was duly executed&#8230;that&#8217;s another storyline.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-724268</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let them know you&#039;re recording the conversation for quality control purposes :D unless both you and they are in a 1-party states for purposes of recording phone conversations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let them know you&#8217;re recording the conversation for quality control purposes <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  unless both you and they are in a 1-party states for purposes of recording phone conversations.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-724094</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how responsive Lorri Montgomery would be if she was told the phone call was being recorded.
(and published to the net)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how responsive Lorri Montgomery would be if she was told the phone call was being recorded.<br />
(and published to the net)</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-723842</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the editorial board, Googling Howard &quot;Skip&quot; Chesshire will get you some juicy reporting on the sexual misconduct investigation he&#039;s currently under, including liaisons in the judge&#039;s chambers. Or you could just go here:
http://abajournal.com/news/longtime_court_official_allegedly_made_sex_a_part_of_his_job/

Jon, if you want a physical copy, without sending in $1.50, I have a few I grabbed at a conference. I&#039;d be happy to send you one.

And don&#039;t be mean to Lorri. (I&#039;m not saying you have been.) She&#039;s nice and it&#039;s not her fault. If you want a name, it&#039;s the one right above hers on the inside cover. But he&#039;s not there anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the editorial board, Googling Howard &#8220;Skip&#8221; Chesshire will get you some juicy reporting on the sexual misconduct investigation he&#8217;s currently under, including liaisons in the judge&#8217;s chambers. Or you could just go here:<br />
<a href="http://abajournal.com/news/longtime_court_official_allegedly_made_sex_a_part_of_his_job/" rel="nofollow">http://abajournal.com/news/longtime_court_official_allegedly_made_sex_a_part_of_his_job/</a></p>
<p>Jon, if you want a physical copy, without sending in $1.50, I have a few I grabbed at a conference. I&#8217;d be happy to send you one.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t be mean to Lorri. (I&#8217;m not saying you have been.) She&#8217;s nice and it&#8217;s not her fault. If you want a name, it&#8217;s the one right above hers on the inside cover. But he&#8217;s not there anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Quartz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-723766</link>
		<dc:creator>Quartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a well known fact that a phone call is virtually useless as evidence, always write and keep on writing until your questions are answered, many organisations will say and do anything on the phone, in their letters however they dont have such legal leeway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a well known fact that a phone call is virtually useless as evidence, always write and keep on writing until your questions are answered, many organisations will say and do anything on the phone, in their letters however they dont have such legal leeway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-723578</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ I prefer to keep things simple -- and indisputable.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ I prefer to keep things simple &#8212; and indisputable.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Rekrul</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-723553</link>
		<dc:creator>Rekrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You’re right. She wanted to talk on the phone, insisting on it, in fact. But I’d rather get my answers in cold, hard virtual print. That way there can be no confusion over who said what.&quot;

I would think that a phone conversation would be more accurate. In print, confusion often arises over whether a person is being serious or joking. Or even what a particular phrase might mean. When you&#039;re talking with someone on the phone, you can listen to the tone of their voice and ask for clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You’re right. She wanted to talk on the phone, insisting on it, in fact. But I’d rather get my answers in cold, hard virtual print. That way there can be no confusion over who said what.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would think that a phone conversation would be more accurate. In print, confusion often arises over whether a person is being serious or joking. Or even what a particular phrase might mean. When you&#8217;re talking with someone on the phone, you can listen to the tone of their voice and ask for clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-722971</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ dt:

You’re right. She wanted to talk on the phone, insisting on it, in fact. But I’d rather get my answers in cold, hard virtual print. That way there can be no confusion over who said what.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ dt:</p>
<p>You’re right. She wanted to talk on the phone, insisting on it, in fact. But I’d rather get my answers in cold, hard virtual print. That way there can be no confusion over who said what.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-722756</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the &quot;put on a happy face to the public&quot; you know as well as I that they are aware of the errors within the content. As long as no one challenges it, they can get away with the inaccurate presentation. I am sure they were paid well to put this out. 

Just like statistics, you can always find someone to say &quot;yeah, that&#039;s good&quot; provided you find the right ones. They can be in any interest group as you will always have opposing sides. Self interests are always at the bottom of the approval. In some way either the authority gets benefits from status quo or they expect to sometime in the future. Once in a while you actually find someone who believes the tripe to begin with and will allow their name to be used. 

When all else fails, not identifying who the approval source was works as well. This is more of the Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. Take a public campaign for any issue, put it in print, allow it to get out and around, and you will always find support for your selfmade stance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the &#8220;put on a happy face to the public&#8221; you know as well as I that they are aware of the errors within the content. As long as no one challenges it, they can get away with the inaccurate presentation. I am sure they were paid well to put this out. </p>
<p>Just like statistics, you can always find someone to say &#8220;yeah, that&#8217;s good&#8221; provided you find the right ones. They can be in any interest group as you will always have opposing sides. Self interests are always at the bottom of the approval. In some way either the authority gets benefits from status quo or they expect to sometime in the future. Once in a while you actually find someone who believes the tripe to begin with and will allow their name to be used. </p>
<p>When all else fails, not identifying who the approval source was works as well. This is more of the Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. Take a public campaign for any issue, put it in print, allow it to get out and around, and you will always find support for your selfmade stance.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16806/comment-page-1#comment-722750</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lorri is actually pretty diligent about responding; I bet if you called her, she&#039;d call you back. but you&#039;ll get the same answers I got. 

the inside cover of the comic lists the judicial sources used in reviewing the comic; it might be worth someone&#039;s while to see if those guys had connections to the recording industry and its cronies. 

cheers,

dt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lorri is actually pretty diligent about responding; I bet if you called her, she&#8217;d call you back. but you&#8217;ll get the same answers I got. </p>
<p>the inside cover of the comic lists the judicial sources used in reviewing the comic; it might be worth someone&#8217;s while to see if those guys had connections to the recording industry and its cronies. </p>
<p>cheers,</p>
<p>dt</p>
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