Comments on: P4P — the darker side of P2P? http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817 p2pnet.net - reader powered Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:59:36 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Quartz http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817/comment-page-1#comment-732650 Quartz Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:48:57 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817#comment-732650 This is all hot air, its hardly "new technology" to think of routing queries to the nearest result. Also what p2p system delivers multiple identical copies of a file to be downloaded , only one that I know of, bit torrent, every other p2p network has no such raft of sources, most files are different in bitrate, file length and other variables than ensure the criteria for using this system is just not feasable. I see this "news" as a simple hype to obtain startup capital, there is nothing new here when you think through whats being proposed This is all hot air, its hardly “new technology” to think of routing queries to the nearest result.

Also what p2p system delivers multiple identical copies of a file to be downloaded , only one that I know of, bit torrent, every other p2p network has no such raft of sources, most files are different in bitrate, file length and other variables than ensure the criteria for using this system is just not feasable.

I see this “news” as a simple hype to obtain startup capital, there is nothing new here when you think through whats being proposed

]]> By: chronoss http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817/comment-page-1#comment-732080 chronoss Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:35:51 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817#comment-732080 oh and screw p4p as its all done by the wrong people who are too greedy oh and screw p4p as its all done by the wrong people who are too greedy

]]> By: chronoss http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817/comment-page-1#comment-732077 chronoss Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:34:15 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817#comment-732077 OH one other problem , it may actually do nothing at all in high volume p2p cases where you have large population bases. 500000 people in one city trying to get your file cause the protocol says so means htey going ot be real slow what needs be done next is to spread out like a neural net you send to one other close to you whom does same and you then to another, soon you have tons and it moves virally. thats actually more effective. and would solve slow peer issues of massive torrents. it would also garner quicker seed bases as well. to ensure seeding you could hold back for a period of time the very last piece until that user sent the same to another. OH one other problem , it may actually do nothing at all in high volume p2p cases where you have large population bases.
500000 people in one city trying to get your file cause the protocol says so means htey going ot be real slow
what needs be done next is to spread out like a neural net

you send to one other close to you whom does same and you then to another, soon you have tons and it moves virally.
thats actually more effective. and would solve slow peer issues of massive torrents. it would also garner quicker seed bases as well.

to ensure seeding you could hold back for a period of time the very last piece until that user sent the same to another.

]]> By: chronoss http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817/comment-page-1#comment-732067 chronoss Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:30:49 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817#comment-732067 A) you do a ping time to each peer , hte closest gets priority the problem here is hte beginning B)if the seed is far off , it will mean that many people all over may be required to get parts. however its simple and easy. C) you can even add encryption heavier then they do now, or make it httpd packet like so DPI procedures get bent. D) these researches did absolutely nothing new. NOTHING. it is after called routing for a reason. And if you create a protocol based on this then its easy to simply create files for it and it must be an open spec for anyone to use it effectivly, otherwise if closed , how can i send or receive via it. HOW CAN YOU, and it quickly becomes a useless tech. ive tabled a p2p bittorent like whitepaper for a protocol when there was no encryption and i told utorrent and azureus that if they didn't do it id go ahead ( even started a project at sourceforge ) of course this was before ludde sold out and azureus became a sellout. A) you do a ping time to each peer , hte closest gets priority
the problem here is hte beginning
B)if the seed is far off , it will mean that many people all over may be required to get parts.
however its simple and easy.
C) you can even add encryption heavier then they do now, or make it httpd packet like so DPI procedures get bent.
D) these researches did absolutely nothing new. NOTHING. it is after called routing for a reason.

And if you create a protocol based on this then its easy to simply create files for it and it must be an open spec for anyone to use it effectivly, otherwise if closed , how can i send or receive via it. HOW CAN YOU, and it quickly becomes a useless tech.

ive tabled a p2p bittorent like whitepaper for a protocol when there was no encryption and i told utorrent and azureus that if they didn’t do it id go ahead ( even started a project at sourceforge ) of course this was before ludde sold out and azureus became a sellout.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817/comment-page-1#comment-731243 Reader's Write Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:37:39 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16817#comment-731243 /sigh Once again, the main thing they are all missing (or choosing to ignore) is that fair use comes into play. Downloading a music file IS NOT ILLEGAL and it is what you do with it, or the context it is used within, that determines if a contractual (civil) obligation exists. If I bought a CD and left it at home and I download an MP3 at work from anywhere of the songs on that CD to listen at work have I broken a law?(NO) Is that a fair use of the purchased music?(YES) If I am a journalist and I download a new MP3 of a song to publish a review and include a short soundbite, is that allowed?(YES) Can any network hardware magically know what I am going to use that song file for after I download it?(NO) When will the RIAA/MPAA learn....this P4P thing can NOT automatically determine what your use of the download is for! Thus it will prevent even legal (e.g. fair use) and protected downloads from taking place, improperly. They need to err on the side of allowing fair use, give the consumer the benefit of the doubt, instead of so blindly and zealously attempting to protect their copyrights. /sigh

Once again, the main thing they are all missing (or choosing to ignore) is that fair use comes into play. Downloading a music file IS NOT ILLEGAL and it is what you do with it, or the context it is used within, that determines if a contractual (civil) obligation exists.

If I bought a CD and left it at home and I download an MP3 at work from anywhere of the songs on that CD to listen at work have I broken a law?(NO) Is that a fair use of the purchased music?(YES) If I am a journalist and I download a new MP3 of a song to publish a review and include a short soundbite, is that allowed?(YES) Can any network hardware magically know what I am going to use that song file for after I download it?(NO)

When will the RIAA/MPAA learn….this P4P thing can NOT automatically determine what your use of the download is for! Thus it will prevent even legal (e.g. fair use) and protected downloads from taking place, improperly. They need to err on the side of allowing fair use, give the consumer the benefit of the doubt, instead of so blindly and zealously attempting to protect their copyrights.

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