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	<title>Comments on: RIAA &#8217;sue &#8216;em all&#8217; campaign, 5 years on</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Chapin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Chapin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A superb read.  Thanks for the Wired link, Jon.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, is it &quot;working&quot;.  

  Let me see:

   1. Prior to the &quot;Sue &quot;em All&quot; campaign, the RIAA etc. and their predecessors were able to hoodwink the vast majority -- including legislators -- into turning an 11-year monopoly intended to advance &quot;the useful arts and sciences&quot; into a century-long subsidy for publishers and record labels.  As for the real artists -- the ones who actually PERFORMED the music -- &quot;screw &#039;em -- it was &quot;work for hire&quot;.  
    Nowadays, there&#039;s a significant -- and ever-growing -- number of people and organizations who are questioning not just how long &quot;copyright&quot; and other &quot;intellectual monopolies&quot; should be -- but whether any such notions as &quot;intellectual property&quot; are justifiable AT ALL.  
  
   2. Before the &quot;Sue &#039;Em All&quot; campaign&quot;, people -- musicians and consumers alike -- were seemingly tolerant of anything.  Payola, artists screwed over via &quot;work for hire&quot; etc.  
    Now, you have millions of people -- at the very least -- planetwide who honestly want to see the RIAA and it&#039;s member corporations destroyed, and the broken remnants scattered to the winds.  From Valenti&#039;s mindless ranting about how the VCR was equivalent to the Boston Strangler, all the way down to their latest &quot;Captain Copyright&quot;....nobody -- not even those bending over backwards to apologize for their antics -- is even TRYING to make the RIAA look &quot;clean&quot; anymore.

   3. Before the &quot;Sue &#039;em All&quot; campaign, pretty much the only people who bothered to be &quot;corporate watchdogs&quot; were disregarded as &quot;left-wing nuts&quot;.  Now, people from all walks of life are getting DAMN good and fed up with watching disabled single mothers and DEAD MEN being harassed and bankrupted for allegedly &quot;stealing&quot; something which -- barring years of aggressive beind-the-scenes lobbying and manipulation of government -- would mostly not be regarded as &quot;property&quot; in the first place -- if it was 11 years old, or more.

    But then again, maybe we should all just &quot;grow a pair and learn to compete&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, is it &#8220;working&#8221;.  </p>
<p>  Let me see:</p>
<p>   1. Prior to the &#8220;Sue &#8220;em All&#8221; campaign, the RIAA etc. and their predecessors were able to hoodwink the vast majority &#8212; including legislators &#8212; into turning an 11-year monopoly intended to advance &#8220;the useful arts and sciences&#8221; into a century-long subsidy for publishers and record labels.  As for the real artists &#8212; the ones who actually PERFORMED the music &#8212; &#8220;screw &#8216;em &#8212; it was &#8220;work for hire&#8221;.<br />
    Nowadays, there&#8217;s a significant &#8212; and ever-growing &#8212; number of people and organizations who are questioning not just how long &#8220;copyright&#8221; and other &#8220;intellectual monopolies&#8221; should be &#8212; but whether any such notions as &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; are justifiable AT ALL.  </p>
<p>   2. Before the &#8220;Sue &#8216;Em All&#8221; campaign&#8221;, people &#8212; musicians and consumers alike &#8212; were seemingly tolerant of anything.  Payola, artists screwed over via &#8220;work for hire&#8221; etc.<br />
    Now, you have millions of people &#8212; at the very least &#8212; planetwide who honestly want to see the RIAA and it&#8217;s member corporations destroyed, and the broken remnants scattered to the winds.  From Valenti&#8217;s mindless ranting about how the VCR was equivalent to the Boston Strangler, all the way down to their latest &#8220;Captain Copyright&#8221;&#8230;.nobody &#8212; not even those bending over backwards to apologize for their antics &#8212; is even TRYING to make the RIAA look &#8220;clean&#8221; anymore.</p>
<p>   3. Before the &#8220;Sue &#8216;em All&#8221; campaign, pretty much the only people who bothered to be &#8220;corporate watchdogs&#8221; were disregarded as &#8220;left-wing nuts&#8221;.  Now, people from all walks of life are getting DAMN good and fed up with watching disabled single mothers and DEAD MEN being harassed and bankrupted for allegedly &#8220;stealing&#8221; something which &#8212; barring years of aggressive beind-the-scenes lobbying and manipulation of government &#8212; would mostly not be regarded as &#8220;property&#8221; in the first place &#8212; if it was 11 years old, or more.</p>
<p>    But then again, maybe we should all just &#8220;grow a pair and learn to compete&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: chronoss</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16915/comment-page-1#comment-759669</link>
		<dc:creator>chronoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About artists whining aobut not getting enough cash, go get a real job then your industry is telling you that

WERE NOT GOING TO PAY IT 
NO
WERE NOT GOING TO PAY IT
NO 
WERE NOT GOING TO PAY IT ....ANY MORE......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About artists whining aobut not getting enough cash, go get a real job then your industry is telling you that</p>
<p>WERE NOT GOING TO PAY IT<br />
NO<br />
WERE NOT GOING TO PAY IT<br />
NO<br />
WERE NOT GOING TO PAY IT &#8230;.ANY MORE&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chronoss</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16915/comment-page-1#comment-759665</link>
		<dc:creator>chronoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7500$  in canada as a fine would or could mean 2 years in prison MAX for non payment and generally you get hlaf that time.
ALSO would section 12 charter violation of cruel and unusual punishment be in order even for that fine, it might and this is one fo the major reasons this copyright bill WILL DIE in canada. I as i have said and dead serious about &quot;turning my self in, with 40-50 dvdripped pre 1958 xvids, this will garner me a 20,000 fine per each violation, for a total about 8-10 million in fines and a maximum jail time of 1 million days in jail or effectively life in prison , for stuff that the copyright expired , and because hollywood wants DRM ( AKA the new word is TPM to be on everything and they get control)

This is also as i get the word out why the so called scene is outting tons a these and to those involved i thank you.
YOU MAY HELP in the future to stop this dumb law.

With busts of pirates that sell stuff and coutnerfeiters at the border do we in canada really need a new law and the answer is no, ONLY GREEDY PEOPLE NEED to make more.

17$ pop and popcorn and a 10$ movie 
YA greedy bastards, I am surprised the some of these executives that work at such places are not WACKED mob style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7500$  in canada as a fine would or could mean 2 years in prison MAX for non payment and generally you get hlaf that time.<br />
ALSO would section 12 charter violation of cruel and unusual punishment be in order even for that fine, it might and this is one fo the major reasons this copyright bill WILL DIE in canada. I as i have said and dead serious about &#8220;turning my self in, with 40-50 dvdripped pre 1958 xvids, this will garner me a 20,000 fine per each violation, for a total about 8-10 million in fines and a maximum jail time of 1 million days in jail or effectively life in prison , for stuff that the copyright expired , and because hollywood wants DRM ( AKA the new word is TPM to be on everything and they get control)</p>
<p>This is also as i get the word out why the so called scene is outting tons a these and to those involved i thank you.<br />
YOU MAY HELP in the future to stop this dumb law.</p>
<p>With busts of pirates that sell stuff and coutnerfeiters at the border do we in canada really need a new law and the answer is no, ONLY GREEDY PEOPLE NEED to make more.</p>
<p>17$ pop and popcorn and a 10$ movie<br />
YA greedy bastards, I am surprised the some of these executives that work at such places are not WACKED mob style.</p>
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		<title>By: chronoss</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16915/comment-page-1#comment-759654</link>
		<dc:creator>chronoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ONE WORD

THEY FAILED.

By giving it publicity, by sueing little kids, by sueing gran mas and dead people, they have all ensured an entire generation that HATES them and has said i won&#039;t pay the fines or the court settlement , place me in jail. 

We can then in jail with our buddies learn more criminal behaviour so as to BETTER ourselves. Yes great system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ONE WORD</p>
<p>THEY FAILED.</p>
<p>By giving it publicity, by sueing little kids, by sueing gran mas and dead people, they have all ensured an entire generation that HATES them and has said i won&#8217;t pay the fines or the court settlement , place me in jail. </p>
<p>We can then in jail with our buddies learn more criminal behaviour so as to BETTER ourselves. Yes great system.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t purchased a new album nor song in years. Don&#039;t intend to either. The reasons are a multitude.

One is that I am on boycott. When sue&#039;em all started that ended the consideration of new music or even old music to be bought. 

They haven&#039;t learned that DRM is not acceptable and as I customer I expect more for my money than buying what is the equivalent of air. We&#039;ve already seen what happens when the licensing server decides to go belly up and what happens to your music that is infected with DRM.

The enforcement agencies are the worse PR that the labels could have possibly dreamed up. I don&#039;t hate those organizations, that is directed at the source that feeds them, the majors themselves. 

I have had a long time to buy what I wanted from the market. Covers and rereleases aren&#039;t showing me new material from disbanded groups but rather sometimes one song new and a rehash of what I already own. I am not going to pay the prices they want for a single song. This practice has contributed to the cherry picking mentality that exists to support sites such as iTunes. Another item going directly to the heart of sales for the majors. No one wants one good song and a ton of garbage in the form of filler. The day of the single is back because of this practice. 

I can&#039;t remember the last time I heard a new album on the radio in it&#039;s entirety. There is no interest where there is no putting the goods out for sampling. What the labels in their fear of the internet haven&#039;t learned is that trusting the customer to want better quality is a necessity if they want new or repeat business. In radioland, the replay is king with the same songs playing over and over, every hour. Nothing new means no interest in buying something. 

Made artists aren&#039;t cutting it. They lack the long term appeal to be consistent interesting in musical terms. The top 10 hit no longer has staying power. No one wants that old hit, two years later. 

...and finally, we as customers like the good deal. It&#039;s called value for the money. There is no value in the digital download with a lack of quality in bit rate. There is no value in the price. In fact it is far overpriced. I would rather have a game that entertains again and again, rather than over priced music that has little staying power. 

In order for me to return to being a customer, they will have to win me back. As long as the sue&#039;em alls go on, that will never happen for life. After sue&#039;em alls end, only then will they have the chance to begin winning me back and that will take some doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t purchased a new album nor song in years. Don&#8217;t intend to either. The reasons are a multitude.</p>
<p>One is that I am on boycott. When sue&#8217;em all started that ended the consideration of new music or even old music to be bought. </p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t learned that DRM is not acceptable and as I customer I expect more for my money than buying what is the equivalent of air. We&#8217;ve already seen what happens when the licensing server decides to go belly up and what happens to your music that is infected with DRM.</p>
<p>The enforcement agencies are the worse PR that the labels could have possibly dreamed up. I don&#8217;t hate those organizations, that is directed at the source that feeds them, the majors themselves. </p>
<p>I have had a long time to buy what I wanted from the market. Covers and rereleases aren&#8217;t showing me new material from disbanded groups but rather sometimes one song new and a rehash of what I already own. I am not going to pay the prices they want for a single song. This practice has contributed to the cherry picking mentality that exists to support sites such as iTunes. Another item going directly to the heart of sales for the majors. No one wants one good song and a ton of garbage in the form of filler. The day of the single is back because of this practice. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember the last time I heard a new album on the radio in it&#8217;s entirety. There is no interest where there is no putting the goods out for sampling. What the labels in their fear of the internet haven&#8217;t learned is that trusting the customer to want better quality is a necessity if they want new or repeat business. In radioland, the replay is king with the same songs playing over and over, every hour. Nothing new means no interest in buying something. </p>
<p>Made artists aren&#8217;t cutting it. They lack the long term appeal to be consistent interesting in musical terms. The top 10 hit no longer has staying power. No one wants that old hit, two years later. </p>
<p>&#8230;and finally, we as customers like the good deal. It&#8217;s called value for the money. There is no value in the digital download with a lack of quality in bit rate. There is no value in the price. In fact it is far overpriced. I would rather have a game that entertains again and again, rather than over priced music that has little staying power. </p>
<p>In order for me to return to being a customer, they will have to win me back. As long as the sue&#8217;em alls go on, that will never happen for life. After sue&#8217;em alls end, only then will they have the chance to begin winning me back and that will take some doing.</p>
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