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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Its a science experiment that cost a huge amount of money so that an atheist can prove to those that believe the atheist isnât god that there could have been big bang (still not proven)&quot;

Obviously you have no scientific culture because you carry a lot of misconceptions about science.

Misconception 1
First of all, science does not try to prove or disprove the existence of God. How the Universe was/is made and function have no bearing with the question of if there is a god or not. Same with evolution. And no evolution does no imply the survival of the fitest!

Misconception 2
Scientific approach is based on gathering information and then building theories. A theory is never perfect because ii is just a human representation of reality and not the reality itself. But theories help us understand the universe and make prediction.

Misconception 3
The value of science is undeniable. Everything you use today would not be there without science and its by-product: technology. A super collider might seem to be a waste of money but it is likely lead (at least on the long term) to new fundamental discoveries that will improve dramatically our live or the live of our descendant in the future.
Society a particularly capitalist society needs novelty to prosper. 

Misconception 4
Without new fundamental scientific discoveries such as those found at the end of the 19th beginning of the 20th Century (Radioactivity, Relativity, living cells/infectious agents, Penicillin, Immunization, hormone, Quantum Mecanic &quot;even if I hate quatum mecanic!&quot;) capitalism will decay. We are now in desperate need of new fundamental discovery to sustain our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Its a science experiment that cost a huge amount of money so that an atheist can prove to those that believe the atheist isnât god that there could have been big bang (still not proven)&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously you have no scientific culture because you carry a lot of misconceptions about science.</p>
<p>Misconception 1<br />
First of all, science does not try to prove or disprove the existence of God. How the Universe was/is made and function have no bearing with the question of if there is a god or not. Same with evolution. And no evolution does no imply the survival of the fitest!</p>
<p>Misconception 2<br />
Scientific approach is based on gathering information and then building theories. A theory is never perfect because ii is just a human representation of reality and not the reality itself. But theories help us understand the universe and make prediction.</p>
<p>Misconception 3<br />
The value of science is undeniable. Everything you use today would not be there without science and its by-product: technology. A super collider might seem to be a waste of money but it is likely lead (at least on the long term) to new fundamental discoveries that will improve dramatically our live or the live of our descendant in the future.<br />
Society a particularly capitalist society needs novelty to prosper. </p>
<p>Misconception 4<br />
Without new fundamental scientific discoveries such as those found at the end of the 19th beginning of the 20th Century (Radioactivity, Relativity, living cells/infectious agents, Penicillin, Immunization, hormone, Quantum Mecanic &#8220;even if I hate quatum mecanic!&#8221;) capitalism will decay. We are now in desperate need of new fundamental discovery to sustain our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16984/comment-page-1#comment-779636</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^ That is what kids should be taught in school - to be educated or ignorant. Fuck religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^ That is what kids should be taught in school &#8211; to be educated or ignorant. Fuck religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16984/comment-page-1#comment-779635</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is trying to prove atheism nor existence of a god, you idiot.  First off, the scientific community doesn&#039;t give a shit because scientists from all over the globe have different religious backgrounds.  Secondly, existence of god/gods cannot be proven nor disproven. Thirdly, the field of science only concerns itself with study of the natural world through experimentation and observation.

Physicists are trying to perform an experiment on subatomic particles where they can record and study the observations gathered and will likely lead to a better understanding of the natural world and the universe as a whole.  

Yeah, it might seem useless and pointless right now, but that&#039;s because we don&#039;t know what we&#039;ll see and how it will be applied.  I&#039;m sure people thought Newton&#039;s experiments were pointless at the time as well... until his discoveries helped design/build steam engines. Faraday&#039;s experiments were useless at the time, also... until his discoveries led to the invention of electronics. Einstein&#039;s theories were pretty much useless at first, too.... until they were used to bring us into the nuclear age.

Experiments happen all the time and better continue to do so if we want to keep progress alive. This one just happens to be a big one. You can choose to embrace new discoveries and relish the ways that they can improve our (our our children&#039;s) quality of life, or choose to live like a scared caveman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is trying to prove atheism nor existence of a god, you idiot.  First off, the scientific community doesn&#8217;t give a shit because scientists from all over the globe have different religious backgrounds.  Secondly, existence of god/gods cannot be proven nor disproven. Thirdly, the field of science only concerns itself with study of the natural world through experimentation and observation.</p>
<p>Physicists are trying to perform an experiment on subatomic particles where they can record and study the observations gathered and will likely lead to a better understanding of the natural world and the universe as a whole.  </p>
<p>Yeah, it might seem useless and pointless right now, but that&#8217;s because we don&#8217;t know what we&#8217;ll see and how it will be applied.  I&#8217;m sure people thought Newton&#8217;s experiments were pointless at the time as well&#8230; until his discoveries helped design/build steam engines. Faraday&#8217;s experiments were useless at the time, also&#8230; until his discoveries led to the invention of electronics. Einstein&#8217;s theories were pretty much useless at first, too&#8230;. until they were used to bring us into the nuclear age.</p>
<p>Experiments happen all the time and better continue to do so if we want to keep progress alive. This one just happens to be a big one. You can choose to embrace new discoveries and relish the ways that they can improve our (our our children&#8217;s) quality of life, or choose to live like a scared caveman.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i still cant believe all the hype over this.
its a science experiment that cost a huge amount of money so that an atheist can prove to those that believe the atheist isn&#039;t god that there could have been big bang (still not proven)
they money should have been spent on the creation of alternate fuels and global warming since the knowledge won&#039;t matter if we are all dead.

Really I&#039;m sick of the atheists and their bs and the god believers for caring about what the atheists say.
Teach both and let the kids decide for themselves on what they want to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i still cant believe all the hype over this.<br />
its a science experiment that cost a huge amount of money so that an atheist can prove to those that believe the atheist isn&#8217;t god that there could have been big bang (still not proven)<br />
they money should have been spent on the creation of alternate fuels and global warming since the knowledge won&#8217;t matter if we are all dead.</p>
<p>Really I&#8217;m sick of the atheists and their bs and the god believers for caring about what the atheists say.<br />
Teach both and let the kids decide for themselves on what they want to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often think all the conspiracy theories and nuts coming out of the wood work is a direct result of a failing educational system, being pulled hither and yon, not by educational curriculum but by political mandates. Everyone has their axe to grind but none of it seems to really be for true betterment of education. 

Creationism could not win on the merits of it&#039;s beliefs. It had to do an end run around that through the political access to get into the education field. In other words, it has no real meat that can be considered to be factual evidence to support it that stands up to real scrutiny. 

Through out, it is like we digressed back into the Middle Ages where witches are rampant and the orge is just around the corner waiting to pounce on the unwary. I gather that study to learn is outmoded and this is the results. Studying takes effort and is hard. Being a conspiracy theorist is much easier, especially if you can get your opponents on the defensive to try to disprove you rather than you doing the effort. On the whole this seems to be the modus operandi of conspiracy. 

It never fails to amuse me to see someone pointing to Hollydud films as a source for their concern. The films are not for education on the whole but for entertainment. Most such movies require you to suspend what you know as real in order to be entertained. When you go to using that as your source, it speaks loudly of gullibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often think all the conspiracy theories and nuts coming out of the wood work is a direct result of a failing educational system, being pulled hither and yon, not by educational curriculum but by political mandates. Everyone has their axe to grind but none of it seems to really be for true betterment of education. </p>
<p>Creationism could not win on the merits of it&#8217;s beliefs. It had to do an end run around that through the political access to get into the education field. In other words, it has no real meat that can be considered to be factual evidence to support it that stands up to real scrutiny. </p>
<p>Through out, it is like we digressed back into the Middle Ages where witches are rampant and the orge is just around the corner waiting to pounce on the unwary. I gather that study to learn is outmoded and this is the results. Studying takes effort and is hard. Being a conspiracy theorist is much easier, especially if you can get your opponents on the defensive to try to disprove you rather than you doing the effort. On the whole this seems to be the modus operandi of conspiracy. </p>
<p>It never fails to amuse me to see someone pointing to Hollydud films as a source for their concern. The films are not for education on the whole but for entertainment. Most such movies require you to suspend what you know as real in order to be entertained. When you go to using that as your source, it speaks loudly of gullibility.</p>
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