AT&T BS agreement baffles users
p2pnet news view Freedom | P2P:- AT&T appears to have come up with an intriguing variation to the “fine print” scam.
Under it, people sign on the dotted line for insurance, say, only to discover they’ve promised their first-born via miniscule print usually buried in long, deliberately obtuse documents full of ‘heretos’ and ‘wherefores’ and which no one, except the lawyers who wrote them, can understand.
In the AT&T variation, it’s gone to a document you’d need a lawyer to unravel, backed by a 2,500 page online ‘guide’ which, at the time of writing, was offline.
AT&T has, “sent customers an 8,000-word service agreement that, among other things, says people will be given 30-day notice of price increases only when ‘commercially reasonable’ and that you can’t sue the company,” says David Lazarus in the Los Angeles Times, going on:
“Oh, and if you don’t like AT&T’s terms — providing you can make your way through the company’s 2,500-page ‘guidebook’ — your only recourse is to cancel service.”
This AT&T Residential Service Agreement (this ‘Agreement’) applies to the AT&T services to which you subscribe, except Services provided under (a) Tariff or (b) another agreement between you and AT&T (unless that other agreement references this Agreement). The Effective Date of this Agreement for any individual Service is the later of: (a) the date on which the withdrawal of a Tariff governing the Service becomes effective or (b) the date on which you subscribe to or use the Service. AT&T GUIDEBOOK(S) AND TARIFFS — AS MODIFIED FROM TIME TO TIME — ARE INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE, TO THE EXTENT EACH APPLIES TO THE SERVICE(S) PROVIDED UNDER THIS AGREEMENT. You agree that it is impractical for AT&T to provide here all of the terms, conditions and charges that are set forth under those documents and that AT&T has acted reasonably in providing access to the Guidebook(s) as described in Section 1.
And that’s only the introductory paragraph.
Chris Witteman, a staff attorney for the PUC who also represents the Division of Ratepayer Advocates, confirmed staff had recently reviewed the AT&T service agreement and now, “We want AT&T to be required to revisit and reformulate the agreement so it doesn’t violate the law,” he states, according to the LA Times.
But AT&T spokesman H. Gordon Diamond defended it saying, “it provides customers with more direct information on their rights and … information on the services they purchase from us”.
However, “because the agreement serves as a contract between the firm and its customers,” he acknowledged that “it was unavoidable to include some legal terminology,” says the story.
An analysis prepared for the California Public Utilities Commission’s Division of Ratepayer Advocates found fault with a, “variety of AT&T’s provisions,” the LA Times states.
It includes, “You also agree to pay for all charges for services provided under this agreement even if such calls were not authorized by you.”
Is that similar to Bell Expressvu’s $25 late fee, one wonders?
This “is in direct violation to cramming laws,” which protect consumers from having unauthorized charges placed on their bills, says the analysis.
Los Angeles Times – AT & T buries customer rights in 2,500-page ‘guidebook’, September 14, 2008
$25 late fee – Bell Expressvu nailed for overcharging, September 17, 2008
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September 17th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
8,000 words over 2,500 pages? So 3.2 words per page. What font size is this book?
September 17th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
“8,000 words over 2,500 pages? So 3.2 words per page. What font size is this book?”
You beat me to that question!!
September 17th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
The form they sent you to sign is 8,000 words. It references the 2,500 page agreement online (which wasn’t accessible when it first went out).
There’s no good faith, no one can be expected to read anywhere near that many pages. AT&T just looking for more lawsuits and criminal charges against it.
September 18th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Online version is 16 pages. Correct link is http://cpr.bellsouth.com/guidebook/.
Not sure where this fictional number of 2.500 pages came from but news sites everywhere seem to have adopted it as fact and using it for shock value.
For the record though, I don’t wish to imply that I support AT&T in creating this length of a document, I just get frustrated with blatently incorrect facts in online articles.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Have you looked under the guidebook options for California and then looked at each section and just how many pages each section comprises? If you start adding up individual pages for sections and sub sections and then assume that there are god knows how many more (because many sections appear to be unavailable), you will be astounded by the size of this document. It only takes a few seconds to realize that you are dealing with a huge and very complex piece of corporate BS.