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		<title>By: Anon-sympathiser</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-836611</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon-sympathiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ everyone in these responses about Terryeo

DON&#039;T FEED THE TROLL.

If this person cannot/will not answer some of the LEGITIMATE questions, then what is the point of continuing further?

It would be great if he/she would listen, or consider the words posted, and you may just wake them up, but that is highly doubtful.  Look at the Manson family, words powerful enough to convince people to MURDER.   People like this are fully brainwashed.

The best way to argue, is try to help them, they expect an attack, they are taught they are under attack, while the posts have not been mean in anyway, this approach never works.

lol, on the other hand, the information posted is useful to curious people. so maybe his posts, in turn, will help others see how many retorts bury his/her attempt to defend his broken religion.   

I say broken, not BS, because his/her faith may be a wonderful thing, but the abuse of the religion by straight evil people is the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ everyone in these responses about Terryeo</p>
<p>DON&#8217;T FEED THE TROLL.</p>
<p>If this person cannot/will not answer some of the LEGITIMATE questions, then what is the point of continuing further?</p>
<p>It would be great if he/she would listen, or consider the words posted, and you may just wake them up, but that is highly doubtful.  Look at the Manson family, words powerful enough to convince people to MURDER.   People like this are fully brainwashed.</p>
<p>The best way to argue, is try to help them, they expect an attack, they are taught they are under attack, while the posts have not been mean in anyway, this approach never works.</p>
<p>lol, on the other hand, the information posted is useful to curious people. so maybe his posts, in turn, will help others see how many retorts bury his/her attempt to defend his broken religion.   </p>
<p>I say broken, not BS, because his/her faith may be a wonderful thing, but the abuse of the religion by straight evil people is the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-819203</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See I am man enough to admit when I am wrong



http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/14/COS_EFG_party.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See I am man enough to admit when I am wrong</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-819179</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe how naive I was! I concede to you Anon, Co$ is a cult



BTW: longcat is looooooooooooooooooong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe how naive I was! I concede to you Anon, Co$ is a cult</p>
<p>BTW: longcat is looooooooooooooooooong!</p>
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		<title>By: brendon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-801970</link>
		<dc:creator>brendon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMPORTANT:  They are also using film permits to shut this street down!  FilmLA has some quasi-governmental role in handing out permits to the COS&#039;s &quot;Golden Era&quot; studios.  This should also be brought to the Council&#039;s attention.  It&#039;s hard to avoid the conclusion that film permits and street closures are being used to keep protestors out.  Some compromise solutions: limit number of closures per year (already suggested) limit closure to street but not sidewalks when the &quot;graduation&quot; isn&#039;t going on (bulk of closure seems dedicated to setting up and take down time).  Never forget: the COS does not play by the usual rules of ethics that most do.  Their ethics start and end with THEM and they don&#039;t care about anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMPORTANT:  They are also using film permits to shut this street down!  FilmLA has some quasi-governmental role in handing out permits to the COS&#8217;s &#8220;Golden Era&#8221; studios.  This should also be brought to the Council&#8217;s attention.  It&#8217;s hard to avoid the conclusion that film permits and street closures are being used to keep protestors out.  Some compromise solutions: limit number of closures per year (already suggested) limit closure to street but not sidewalks when the &#8220;graduation&#8221; isn&#8217;t going on (bulk of closure seems dedicated to setting up and take down time).  Never forget: the COS does not play by the usual rules of ethics that most do.  Their ethics start and end with THEM and they don&#8217;t care about anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-800214</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Will Have To Find Out When And Where this happens, Because This Is Still America And Im Free To Walk Down Any God-Dam Street I choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Will Have To Find Out When And Where this happens, Because This Is Still America And Im Free To Walk Down Any God-Dam Street I choose.</p>
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		<title>By: mystorychrisonexscientologykidsvoiceinunison</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-798744</link>
		<dc:creator>mystorychrisonexscientologykidsvoiceinunison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exscientologykids(dot)com(slash)chris(dot)h t m l


I&#039;m here to have my story counted as factual and true and support the current cause of anonymous against scientology.
I&#039;ve read xenu(dot)tv(com and clambake(0rg) and many other sights and their stories fit true.

I believe them because I&#039;ve experienced many things my self as a teen in scientology.
It is a just cause, a worthy cause and to the people of Anonymous/project chanology I thank you for doing, what I feared to do.
What I dreamed should and could be the only way to warn the public of the harms and crimes of scientology.
Protest

I also agree the v mask must be used.  They wire tapped my mothers house.

They are serious business. 

They will do anything to crush critics and dissenters and mistakes that they&#039;ve made.


Go Anonymous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exscientologykids(dot)com(slash)chris(dot)h t m l</p>
<p>I&#8217;m here to have my story counted as factual and true and support the current cause of anonymous against scientology.<br />
I&#8217;ve read xenu(dot)tv(com and clambake(0rg) and many other sights and their stories fit true.</p>
<p>I believe them because I&#8217;ve experienced many things my self as a teen in scientology.<br />
It is a just cause, a worthy cause and to the people of Anonymous/project chanology I thank you for doing, what I feared to do.<br />
What I dreamed should and could be the only way to warn the public of the harms and crimes of scientology.<br />
Protest</p>
<p>I also agree the v mask must be used.  They wire tapped my mothers house.</p>
<p>They are serious business. </p>
<p>They will do anything to crush critics and dissenters and mistakes that they&#8217;ve made.</p>
<p>Go Anonymous</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-796883</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem John.  Spamming by $cientologists attempting to flood the posts is a given.  Great piece, hopefully the council will be forced to take action now.  This in inexcusable.  I think we all saw the video of 3 Scientologists blocking the path of an elderly, disabled woman who lived on this street.  &quot;Go around&quot; they told her.  

Great piece!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem John.  Spamming by $cientologists attempting to flood the posts is a given.  Great piece, hopefully the council will be forced to take action now.  This in inexcusable.  I think we all saw the video of 3 Scientologists blocking the path of an elderly, disabled woman who lived on this street.  &#8220;Go around&#8221; they told her.  </p>
<p>Great piece!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave2</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-796831</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clearing that up, Terryeo. Maybe in your next post you can tell us what it is that this data is adjacent to, and then we can get started on properly evaluating the significance of this adjacent data.

Also, maybe we can start attempting abortions with a knitting needle, and inducing kleptomania in developing prenatal life by beating a pregnant woman and screaming &quot;Take that! Take that!&quot;, or maybe just curing homosexuality with Dianetics and disposing of the homosexuals we didn&#039;t manage to cure &quot;quietly and without sorrow&quot;.

It&#039;s science fact!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing that up, Terryeo. Maybe in your next post you can tell us what it is that this data is adjacent to, and then we can get started on properly evaluating the significance of this adjacent data.</p>
<p>Also, maybe we can start attempting abortions with a knitting needle, and inducing kleptomania in developing prenatal life by beating a pregnant woman and screaming &#8220;Take that! Take that!&#8221;, or maybe just curing homosexuality with Dianetics and disposing of the homosexuals we didn&#8217;t manage to cure &#8220;quietly and without sorrow&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s science fact!</p>
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		<title>By: maggie</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-796526</link>
		<dc:creator>maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO, Terryeo, the &quot;error&quot; is an organization that behaves in a fascist manner, thrives on fraud, bait and switch and abuses of people and the law, hiding behind a cloak of &#039;religion.&#039;

Scientology, Inc.  is in court in France and Belgium at the moment. 

Hubbard never envisioned the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO, Terryeo, the &#8220;error&#8221; is an organization that behaves in a fascist manner, thrives on fraud, bait and switch and abuses of people and the law, hiding behind a cloak of &#8216;religion.&#8217;</p>
<p>Scientology, Inc.  is in court in France and Belgium at the moment. </p>
<p>Hubbard never envisioned the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Terryeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terryeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy to &quot;see what the error here is&quot;.  The error is your misevaluation of the significance of adjacent data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy to &#8220;see what the error here is&#8221;.  The error is your misevaluation of the significance of adjacent data.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-796373</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087#comment-795873 : 
Lisa Derrick is most definitely a free right&#039;s advocate... Note how her group is well-established in her community and supported by government. Note, in contrast, how Scientology&#039;s front-group (such as CCHR, NarCONon, Applied Scholastic etc) are NOT supported by their communities nor by their governments. Do you see what the error here is?
And she is not anonymous; you just gave out her name! I am anonymous posting on this blog, so is everyone here who doesn&#039;t divulge their names... Meaning you! 
Using your logic, you would also be a member of Anonymous: You are responsible for alleged bomb threats, you are responsible for the prank on Oprah (which was really her fault), the &quot;hacking&quot; of Bill O&#039;Reilly&#039;s website (which wasn&#039;t hacked at all), you are responsible for the &quot;attacks&quot; on the Church of Scientology... What kind of human being are you? :x

Jon: It&#039;s cool that you should actually be going through the submissions before hosting, instead of removing submissions after having them uploaded. Thanks for your hard work :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087#comment-795873" rel="nofollow">http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087#comment-795873</a> :<br />
Lisa Derrick is most definitely a free right&#8217;s advocate&#8230; Note how her group is well-established in her community and supported by government. Note, in contrast, how Scientology&#8217;s front-group (such as CCHR, NarCONon, Applied Scholastic etc) are NOT supported by their communities nor by their governments. Do you see what the error here is?<br />
And she is not anonymous; you just gave out her name! I am anonymous posting on this blog, so is everyone here who doesn&#8217;t divulge their names&#8230; Meaning you!<br />
Using your logic, you would also be a member of Anonymous: You are responsible for alleged bomb threats, you are responsible for the prank on Oprah (which was really her fault), the &#8220;hacking&#8221; of Bill O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s website (which wasn&#8217;t hacked at all), you are responsible for the &#8220;attacks&#8221; on the Church of Scientology&#8230; What kind of human being are you? <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif' alt=':x' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jon: It&#8217;s cool that you should actually be going through the submissions before hosting, instead of removing submissions after having them uploaded. Thanks for your hard work <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-796329</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all:

I’ve had several enquiries about the lag between comment post submissions in this and other Scientology threads, and their actual appearance.

That’s because I’ve had to flag all incoming Reader’s Writes on the subject. When I first started running the stories, p2pnet was spammed by Scientologists trying to flood the posts.

I’m not online 24 hours a day and although I deal with incomings as quickly as I can, inevitably, there’s a delay.

Sorry about that, but must needs.

Cheers!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all:</p>
<p>I’ve had several enquiries about the lag between comment post submissions in this and other Scientology threads, and their actual appearance.</p>
<p>That’s because I’ve had to flag all incoming Reader’s Writes on the subject. When I first started running the stories, p2pnet was spammed by Scientologists trying to flood the posts.</p>
<p>I’m not online 24 hours a day and although I deal with incomings as quickly as I can, inevitably, there’s a delay.</p>
<p>Sorry about that, but must needs.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Blanchimont</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-796118</link>
		<dc:creator>Blanchimont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go get them Anonymous^^!, kick their unmentionables to smithereens!!
They are nothing more than a cult trying to masquerade as something like a legitimate religion but no matter what paint they try to put on they can&#039;t hide that they&#039;re still just that, a dangerous cult brainwashing people. How they EVER managed to deceive a whole town council all this time is beyond me, and wasn&#039;t the street itself named differently not that many years ago, -97 to be precise, so what was the reason for the change, bribes?..
Too many people have been harassed and brainwashed by them, too many personal tragedies caused by them, something must be done and it&#039;s good there&#039;s people taking the fight to them^^, not that I personally understand how ANYONE can be afraid of those gutless CoS sissies who for every action they take must hide behind their precious so called &#039;church&#039;? After all, wasn&#039;t L Ron Hub just a storyteller who got a little too far into La-La land (perhaps under influence of illegal substances, most likely...) that some poor souls took a little too seriously...
In my opinion, they should put up stopsigns for CoS on that street instead...

I do have a general question to you readers though... I&#039;ve respected US and its people for the proliferation of freedom and human rights across its history, and still do even though I might not agree with its current politics and war mongering (which in my opinion are steps back into the darkness...) so I&#039;d hate to pose this question but... Are the people of America really so much cowards they&#039;re too afraid of some insignificant cult they rather have it poisoning their society rather than stand up to it? Against a cult that probably would shit in their pants if presented with real arguments? But to be honest I refuse to believe that, I refuse to believe there wouldn&#039;t be people fighting the good fight in the promised land of freedom fighters^^...
So far they haven&#039;t had significant activity in Finland, but if they do they&#039;ll have another thing coming...
This is Blanchimont, one who&#039;s not afraid of the antics of CoS, and one to kick their sorry behinds if ever given chance^^...
...Now, I&#039;ll pick a disc of anime, slide it in, sink into the sofa, turn on TV, dim the lights, with a hot cup of coffee and cake beside me, and just relax. It&#039;s a good life, everyone, and we don&#039;t need cults for that^^...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go get them Anonymous^^!, kick their unmentionables to smithereens!!<br />
They are nothing more than a cult trying to masquerade as something like a legitimate religion but no matter what paint they try to put on they can&#8217;t hide that they&#8217;re still just that, a dangerous cult brainwashing people. How they EVER managed to deceive a whole town council all this time is beyond me, and wasn&#8217;t the street itself named differently not that many years ago, -97 to be precise, so what was the reason for the change, bribes?..<br />
Too many people have been harassed and brainwashed by them, too many personal tragedies caused by them, something must be done and it&#8217;s good there&#8217;s people taking the fight to them^^, not that I personally understand how ANYONE can be afraid of those gutless CoS sissies who for every action they take must hide behind their precious so called &#8216;church&#8217;? After all, wasn&#8217;t L Ron Hub just a storyteller who got a little too far into La-La land (perhaps under influence of illegal substances, most likely&#8230;) that some poor souls took a little too seriously&#8230;<br />
In my opinion, they should put up stopsigns for CoS on that street instead&#8230;</p>
<p>I do have a general question to you readers though&#8230; I&#8217;ve respected US and its people for the proliferation of freedom and human rights across its history, and still do even though I might not agree with its current politics and war mongering (which in my opinion are steps back into the darkness&#8230;) so I&#8217;d hate to pose this question but&#8230; Are the people of America really so much cowards they&#8217;re too afraid of some insignificant cult they rather have it poisoning their society rather than stand up to it? Against a cult that probably would shit in their pants if presented with real arguments? But to be honest I refuse to believe that, I refuse to believe there wouldn&#8217;t be people fighting the good fight in the promised land of freedom fighters^^&#8230;<br />
So far they haven&#8217;t had significant activity in Finland, but if they do they&#8217;ll have another thing coming&#8230;<br />
This is Blanchimont, one who&#8217;s not afraid of the antics of CoS, and one to kick their sorry behinds if ever given chance^^&#8230;<br />
&#8230;Now, I&#8217;ll pick a disc of anime, slide it in, sink into the sofa, turn on TV, dim the lights, with a hot cup of coffee and cake beside me, and just relax. It&#8217;s a good life, everyone, and we don&#8217;t need cults for that^^&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-795903</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not join a free scientologist group instead of paying thousand to this parasite of Miscaridge and still have migraines and cold at OT7 level?</description>
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		<title>By: Silly Ratfaced Git</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17087/comment-page-1#comment-795902</link>
		<dc:creator>Silly Ratfaced Git</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Luke

Perhaps you&#039;ve never seen the qualities that are used to determine if an organisation qualifies as a cult.  

From http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm 

Checklist of Cult Characteristics

1.  The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.  CHECK.  LRH is the source.  His word is law.  No one may question or criticize.

2.  Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.  CHECK.  These are all either out-ethics or at least down-stat.  

3.  Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).  CHECK.  Most of the TRs (Training Routines) are exercises in auto-hypnosis which qualify for this item.  LRH was a gifted hypnotist by many accounts, and he gathered the techniques that went into the TRs from some pretty advanced Psychology studies.

4.  The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).  CHECK.  Although not all Scientologists feel the full impact of this one.  The Hollywood celebrities get kid glove treatment while Sea Org members have pretty much all aspects of their life controlled by the cult.

5.  The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).  CHECK.  Scientologists are Thetans, everyone else is a WOG or Raw Meat (a WOG that might become a member).  Hence the name of Mark Bunker&#039;s (Wise Beard Man) Blog, the Wog Blog ( http://xenutv.wordpress.com/ ).

6. ‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.  CHECK.  Most of us know that wog is a derisory term and don&#039;t like it.

7. ‪ The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).  CHECK.  LRH spent the last ten years of his life in hiding since several countries, including the US, had criminal charges against him.

8. ‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members&#039; participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).  CHECK.  The web is filled with stories of ex-scienos that did things for the cult (or to pay for auditing) that they regretted.  Google &quot;Lonesome Squirrel&quot; &quot;Steven Fishman&quot; for the story of a scieno who committed criminal fraud to finance his Scientology addiction.  It&#039;s an interesting read.

‪9.  The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.  CHECK.  Many ex-scienos describe such tactics by auditors and particularly by ethics officers.

10.‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.  CHECK.  The cult calls this disconnection.  Family and friends that are not cult members eventually become PTS (Potential Trouble Source) when they notice that the cult member is speaking a new language and in general acting like a cult member (in this case a Rondroid).  Ultimately they become SP (Suppressive Person) from whom the Rondroid must disconnect.

11.‪ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.  CHECK.  Had a personality test recently?

12.‪ The group is preoccupied with making money.  CHECK.  CHECK.  CHECK.  CHECK.   In spades.

13.‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.  CHECK.  That&#039;s one of the reasons L Ron Hubbard Way is closed every weekend.  I need to spend at least another dozen hours at cause with the ashtray.

14.‪ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.  CHECK.  I suspect that Nicole is no longer married to Tiny Tom because she never bought into the cult.  They don&#039;t call non-scienos wogs for nothing.  Cult members speak a language that only they understand.  They use made up words like Enturbulate (It&#039;s not in the OED or Websters), and use a plethora of three and four letter acronyms that makes engineers envious.  Lets face it, if your life revolves around erasing engrams and becoming clear, you are going to hang with other cult members most of the time.  Everyone else is going to think you&#039;re a nutjob if you start talking about entheta and blowing body thetans. 

‪15. The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.  CHECK.

Looks to me like Scientology qualifies as a cult with flying colors.

Note that I do not advocate the end to Scientology, nor does Anonymous.  We want an end to horrible excesses, such as disconnection, declaring SPs, spying on critics, suppression of critics, and stop abusing and draining all of the money from your membership.  You&#039;ll never clear the planet since only Hollywood celebrities can afford your church.  How come all other religions give away copies of their scriptures?  How about stop telling epileptics to stop taking their anti-convulsion meds.  Auditing and becoming clear will not cure epilepsy.  I don&#039;t care what LRH said.  He&#039;s wrong about psychology.  He &#039;borrowed&#039; an awful lot from psychology to write all of his scriptures.  Just because he failed to cite the sources he used doesn&#039;t mean he didn&#039;t use them.  He lied a lot and often.

There are a lot of people in the Freezone that very much believe that LRH&#039;s Tech helps them lead a better life.  They just don&#039;t like the way Co$ is being run by that demented dwarf DM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Luke</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;ve never seen the qualities that are used to determine if an organisation qualifies as a cult.  </p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm</a> </p>
<p>Checklist of Cult Characteristics</p>
<p>1.  The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.  CHECK.  LRH is the source.  His word is law.  No one may question or criticize.</p>
<p>2.  Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.  CHECK.  These are all either out-ethics or at least down-stat.  </p>
<p>3.  Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).  CHECK.  Most of the TRs (Training Routines) are exercises in auto-hypnosis which qualify for this item.  LRH was a gifted hypnotist by many accounts, and he gathered the techniques that went into the TRs from some pretty advanced Psychology studies.</p>
<p>4.  The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).  CHECK.  Although not all Scientologists feel the full impact of this one.  The Hollywood celebrities get kid glove treatment while Sea Org members have pretty much all aspects of their life controlled by the cult.</p>
<p>5.  The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).  CHECK.  Scientologists are Thetans, everyone else is a WOG or Raw Meat (a WOG that might become a member).  Hence the name of Mark Bunker&#8217;s (Wise Beard Man) Blog, the Wog Blog ( <a href="http://xenutv.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://xenutv.wordpress.com/</a> ).</p>
<p>6. ‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.  CHECK.  Most of us know that wog is a derisory term and don&#8217;t like it.</p>
<p>7. ‪ The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).  CHECK.  LRH spent the last ten years of his life in hiding since several countries, including the US, had criminal charges against him.</p>
<p>8. ‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members&#8217; participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).  CHECK.  The web is filled with stories of ex-scienos that did things for the cult (or to pay for auditing) that they regretted.  Google &#8220;Lonesome Squirrel&#8221; &#8220;Steven Fishman&#8221; for the story of a scieno who committed criminal fraud to finance his Scientology addiction.  It&#8217;s an interesting read.</p>
<p>‪9.  The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.  CHECK.  Many ex-scienos describe such tactics by auditors and particularly by ethics officers.</p>
<p>10.‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.  CHECK.  The cult calls this disconnection.  Family and friends that are not cult members eventually become PTS (Potential Trouble Source) when they notice that the cult member is speaking a new language and in general acting like a cult member (in this case a Rondroid).  Ultimately they become SP (Suppressive Person) from whom the Rondroid must disconnect.</p>
<p>11.‪ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.  CHECK.  Had a personality test recently?</p>
<p>12.‪ The group is preoccupied with making money.  CHECK.  CHECK.  CHECK.  CHECK.   In spades.</p>
<p>13.‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.  CHECK.  That&#8217;s one of the reasons L Ron Hubbard Way is closed every weekend.  I need to spend at least another dozen hours at cause with the ashtray.</p>
<p>14.‪ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.  CHECK.  I suspect that Nicole is no longer married to Tiny Tom because she never bought into the cult.  They don&#8217;t call non-scienos wogs for nothing.  Cult members speak a language that only they understand.  They use made up words like Enturbulate (It&#8217;s not in the OED or Websters), and use a plethora of three and four letter acronyms that makes engineers envious.  Lets face it, if your life revolves around erasing engrams and becoming clear, you are going to hang with other cult members most of the time.  Everyone else is going to think you&#8217;re a nutjob if you start talking about entheta and blowing body thetans. </p>
<p>‪15. The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.  CHECK.</p>
<p>Looks to me like Scientology qualifies as a cult with flying colors.</p>
<p>Note that I do not advocate the end to Scientology, nor does Anonymous.  We want an end to horrible excesses, such as disconnection, declaring SPs, spying on critics, suppression of critics, and stop abusing and draining all of the money from your membership.  You&#8217;ll never clear the planet since only Hollywood celebrities can afford your church.  How come all other religions give away copies of their scriptures?  How about stop telling epileptics to stop taking their anti-convulsion meds.  Auditing and becoming clear will not cure epilepsy.  I don&#8217;t care what LRH said.  He&#8217;s wrong about psychology.  He &#8216;borrowed&#8217; an awful lot from psychology to write all of his scriptures.  Just because he failed to cite the sources he used doesn&#8217;t mean he didn&#8217;t use them.  He lied a lot and often.</p>
<p>There are a lot of people in the Freezone that very much believe that LRH&#8217;s Tech helps them lead a better life.  They just don&#8217;t like the way Co$ is being run by that demented dwarf DM.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how about telling everyone thier names&quot;

Yes.

My Name is Xenu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how about telling everyone thier names&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>My Name is Xenu.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesnt make it ture?

Wahahahaha!


The OT are in bad shape! It really damage their brain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesnt make it ture?</p>
<p>Wahahahaha!</p>
<p>The OT are in bad shape! It really damage their brain!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa Derrick doesn&#039;t live in that street, and she is not a &quot;freedom of speech advocate&quot;; she&#039;s a member of Anonymous, the same group that hacked Sarah Palin&#039;s email, Bill O&#039;Reilly&#039;s website, pranked Oprah, attacked epileptics, attacked an online children&#039;s game, attacked FOX and attacks the Church of Scientology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa Derrick doesn&#8217;t live in that street, and she is not a &#8220;freedom of speech advocate&#8221;; she&#8217;s a member of Anonymous, the same group that hacked Sarah Palin&#8217;s email, Bill O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s website, pranked Oprah, attacked epileptics, attacked an online children&#8217;s game, attacked FOX and attacks the Church of Scientology.</p>
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		<title>By: EastAnon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke,

You&#039;re right. It is not true just because anonymous says so.
It is true because there is proof of their crimes, because ex-members say so. Not a few ex-members, but a HUGE number of them. Their organisation in Australia, New Zealand and Oceania is shrinking to obscurity. Their numbers are dwindling everywhere. Do you want to be informed? Do you want to read these gruesome stories of abuse, forced abortions, slavery, imprisonment?

http://forum.exscn.net/forumdisplay.php?f=2
http://www.exscientologykids.com/voicesinunison.html

There&#039;s more. Much more. But that&#039;s a start. And if you still don&#039;t believe it&#039;s a cult after reading that, talk to Arnie Lerma, Chuck Beatty, read xenu.net. Just too much evidence to ignore. The FBI is on to them, together with a few other government agencies.

Anonymous is not out to ruin a minority group. We are there because Scientology (the organisation) is a criminal business under the cloak of a religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. It is not true just because anonymous says so.<br />
It is true because there is proof of their crimes, because ex-members say so. Not a few ex-members, but a HUGE number of them. Their organisation in Australia, New Zealand and Oceania is shrinking to obscurity. Their numbers are dwindling everywhere. Do you want to be informed? Do you want to read these gruesome stories of abuse, forced abortions, slavery, imprisonment?</p>
<p><a href="http://forum.exscn.net/forumdisplay.php?f=2" rel="nofollow">http://forum.exscn.net/forumdisplay.php?f=2</a><br />
<a href="http://www.exscientologykids.com/voicesinunison.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.exscientologykids.com/voicesinunison.html</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s more. Much more. But that&#8217;s a start. And if you still don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s a cult after reading that, talk to Arnie Lerma, Chuck Beatty, read xenu.net. Just too much evidence to ignore. The FBI is on to them, together with a few other government agencies.</p>
<p>Anonymous is not out to ruin a minority group. We are there because Scientology (the organisation) is a criminal business under the cloak of a religion.</p>
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		<title>By: roger gonnet</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger gonnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USA is certainly the country respecting criminals and dangerous cults, as it seems. I wonder how many other street in US are named after poly-convicted criminals. To remind, M. Hubbard got 4 years unsuspended plus amend in France for fraud 100% linked to scientology. He was also forced to refund part of what he had stolen to his &quot;friend&quot; Ja&amp;ck Parsons. Got an amend for petty check, too. Got convicted for having abandoned his kid in a car. Got sued for having kidnapped another of his kids.
Scientology and scientologists have been sued HUNDREDS of times since 1950. For homicides, murders, fraud, extortion, etc. Read www.xenu.net for more.
So, calling a street in LA from such a criminal mind as Hubbard was is only a big shame thrown upon the country as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA is certainly the country respecting criminals and dangerous cults, as it seems. I wonder how many other street in US are named after poly-convicted criminals. To remind, M. Hubbard got 4 years unsuspended plus amend in France for fraud 100% linked to scientology. He was also forced to refund part of what he had stolen to his &#8220;friend&#8221; Ja&amp;ck Parsons. Got an amend for petty check, too. Got convicted for having abandoned his kid in a car. Got sued for having kidnapped another of his kids.<br />
Scientology and scientologists have been sued HUNDREDS of times since 1950. For homicides, murders, fraud, extortion, etc. Read <a href="http://www.xenu.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.xenu.net</a> for more.<br />
So, calling a street in LA from such a criminal mind as Hubbard was is only a big shame thrown upon the country as a whole.</p>
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