Ex-Scientology kid
Ap2pnet news view Freedom | P2P:- The Cult of Scientolgy is a cynical corporate enterprise masquerading as a religion. But IMHO, far from existing to help people, it’s a virulent disease.
On the main streets in many major cities, it has offices dressed up as ‘churches’. It uses them to prey on people – particularly kids — as they walk by.
Well before I started p2pnet, as an investigative reporter, I studied Scientology in detail and I had a lot of trouble believing it was getting away with what it was getting away with.
Back then, there was no such thing as the Net. We relied on the mainstream corporate media for gathering and redistributing information, data and news and consequently, apart from shock-horror stories deliberately generated to make headlines, there was no meaningful, or cohesive, way of publicising the so-called ‘church’.
But that’s changed. Thanks to blogs and bloggers, IM, chat, and all the other uniquely cyberspace forms of communication, as well as mobile phones, the cult is now being held up in the glaring light of day. And it doesn’t like it. Not one little bit.
Smooth talking snake oil salesmen
With movie star Tom Cruise and other high-profile stars and celebrities touting it, on first blush, Scientology seems to be a reasonable facsimile of other religions which genuinely try to help people. And another famous actor, Will Smith, has also been associated with the cult.
He vehemently denies being a member, but Black Voice has him saying this:
“[…] in all of the experiences I’ve had with Tom and Scientology, like, 98 percent of the principles are identical to the principles of the Bible. The Bible says, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And you know, there’s a Scientology principle: Do not create experiences for others that they cannot comfortably perceive.”
Maybe Smith isn’t Scientologist, but in this story at least, he doesn’t appear to have much of a problem with it.
Smith is an adult and he can believe what he likes. But by virtue of what he does for a living, his views can’t be held privately and given that the youth of the world look up to people such as him and Cruise, if they say, or even imply, something is cool, then It’s COOL!!!
I’m the father of a 12-year-old daughter and I know just how impressionable kids are, especially when they’re confronted by smooth talking snake oil salesmen.
L. Ron Hubbard Way
When I stopped making my living as a professional journalist, Scientology and Scientologists moved out of my sphere of interests. But my friend Maggie, a singer, song-writer and guitar player in the US, is passionately opposed to the cult and back when p2pnet first went online, she rekindled my own interest.
On Monday I posted a story on the mind-bending fact cult founder L. Ron Hubbard has a street named after him in Los Angeles. Hollywood. It figures. But what really blew my mind was Scientology has been getting the local council to close down the street every weekend.
Purpose? So Scientologists can stage (word used advisedly) events.
Sammi Franklin and Lisa Derrick are courageously trying to get something done about it, as LAlist points out, and we’re hoping for a few pix and maybe a report on a typical L. Ron Hubbard Way weekend.
Meanwhile, Chris, an ex-Scientology kid, now an adult, was one of the people who left a comment post, including a page link »»»
My mom was a single parent and disillusioned with Christianity, as she understood it. She didn’t feel anyone was there to help her, but she persevered over adversity and became a professional and was able to raise all us kids.
We rarely say her with all the overtime she got, but we saw her at least more then we did when she joined Scientology. She meets my stepfather in their field of profession. He was persuasive and charming and in three months time, our lives where turned upside down. I would add more, but I have to be careful of the tell signs that would give me away.
I went from basically fatherless to an over dominating father figure who dictated or at least tried to dictate every aspect of our lives over night. My stepfather emulated LRH very well, and was a very intense letter-of-the-law Scientologist.
I took a few courses and even went to a Scientology school that no longer exists. I had certain disabilities, which the public schools systems had no programs at that time to help, so my mom thought Scientology could help me. Of course my problems were once again put on the back burner for the sake of clearing the world. You’re darn right I was mad. I would wait at that org, which doesn’t exist anymore because the county government kept raiding them, if I’m to understand right from my online studies.
I remember the raids, by the Sheriffs.
I waited to see my mom, I would wait for hours, just to spend a few minutes with her, and they even robbed me of that and said I could only see her if it was an emergency. It was like this all the time everyday. Scientology this and Scientology that, it gets real old.
I hated it most of the time and I was somewhat Christ curious still and I remember from Sunday school, not to worship any other Gods. I took issue in my youth with the fact that LRH was treated and revered like a god, it turned my stomach to see everyone stand up and clap at a picture of LRH on the wall. One time I tried to get in the spirit of it and join after being in this akward position for the hundredth time and I felt sick and got a headache and sat back down. The whole thing made me ill.
This was before I really knew a whole lot of LRH. This was many years ago. I have no lawsuit with Scientology. I did have in my possession the almost hundred thousand dollars worth of courses and auditing receipts when my mother died. I contemplated a lawsuit, but I was tired of the hate I felt and never felt I could prove my case, so I threw it away and decided it was time to forgive, yet I knew I could never forget. I needed to let go, because I’ve wasted too many years being angry over what happened to my mother and I and my family.
My stepfather, after he depleted all the equity in my mother’s house, which almost four times the original value, tried to kill my mother after he successfully disconnected her from her family. My mother was in a state of shock for months after that and she never returned to Scientology since then. I’ve read other stories like this. The men of Scientology sweet talking women out of their savings and leaving them.
Falsifying loan applications to get loans to give to Scientology, with Scientologists in the loan companies encouraging it and helping my stepfather accomplish this end. I could add more to this, but it might give me away. The man who tried to kill my mother may still be alive.
I have a family and I don’t want any harm to come to them. My mother got a disease through tainted blood. Her health was deteriorating rapidly after that. She already had 2 husbands who abandoned her and now this savior of a man who happens to be a Scientologist with all the answers through LRH. Blah. What a cruel trick. All my mother tried to do was help people. This is painful for me. She gave everything for Scientology, everything, and I suspect including her life, through a slow and painful death. According to LRH, it was because she blew the org.
How can one fully recover from something like this, without having trouble forgiving?
This was pre DM [admin note: DM stands for “David Miscavige”] too. I’m not at all surprised by the stories I read on the internet and other medias. I get angry all over again that these jerks get away with these human rights abuses still to this day. They are sinister and are brainwashed from the very beginning that they are the victims and have a right to act this way. They utilize the victim mentality and it is this that fuels the Cult of Scientology.
They find victims of abuse with victim mentalities and say, let’s be victims together and fight the world for making us victims and if you try to get away or you don’t do what we want, then you’re one of them and an SP, and we will defend ourselves against you and the world, because we are the victims of the world. Only to sadly be victimized again and again and used and abused by the very org that claimed it would CLEAR you. I find in my lifetime that Scientology is responsible for most of my supposed engrams in my youth. It is the Cult of Scientology who messed up my spiritual well being, because they showed me just how cruel the world and its people can be.
The Org was just like my sadly pathetic abusive alcoholic father. Yell and rant and rave and then claim to love you and that they only have your best interest at heart and this abuse goes on and on. It was just like going to my dad’s house on the weekends, just to see him beat the crap out of my stepmother.
I couldn’t escape the madness and I lost my faith in God after this, because after all, how could a God allow such horrible things to happen and such lunatic men, gain control over people’s lives. They act more like CIA and FBI in their auditing then clergy of the faith, so who are they kidding?
Do you know what happens to kids who grow up in abusive households? They suffer from PTSD, and Scientology is like growing up and being in an abusive family. The scars still linger, and after years and years of counseling, meds and prayer, I’m relatively sane from all of this, although I almost didn’t make it. I wanted to die, I tried to die, many times.
Now I want to live, and I want others to live.
I want people to know that being in scientology is like loving your captor. Like the abused wife keeps going back to the abusive husband. Like those abused kids that just want daddy to get well and just love them, like they promised.
I want to thank anonymous and their movement, Mark Bunker for staying on this and always having the passion to persevere with this tragic American tale. I want to thank you Jenna and all the other former and ex Scientologist kids for coming out and telling your stories and wanting also to help those that are still in this abusive family and prevent those who might be misled to join it.
I’m very upset with Youtube and Google for empowering this abusive cooperate greedy family, just because you are afraid of lawsuits and they are making money from Scientology. We know who your god is Google / Youtube.
I want to say God Bless you all and keep the faith.
Go Anonymous
Anonymousexscikid
Stay tuned.
Jon Newton - p2pnet
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September 24th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
To Anonymousexscikid, Abuse is abuse no matter where it originates. A pox on Governments and religions which perpertrate these horrors onto any person. What you describe is terrorism at its most insidious - terrorism from within, terrorism carried out against woman and children. A pox on them all and onto all who support them. My support is to you Anonymousexscikid and I hope that one day the fetid stench of Governments whose support for these crimes against humanity and crimes against the women and children in their care reaches the light of day and that they are seen for the pox that they are.
JohnB
September 24th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
The cult of Scientology will be destroyed, and we are not ashamed to admit that we derive exquisite pleasure in returning the favour of terror and suffering to those who created and perpetuated this repulsive criminal organization. For win, lol and Ceiling Cat we shall crush Scientology.
September 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
There is parasitical businesses in our soiciety that need to be obliterated.
One of course is the major music industry represented by Vivendi/Universal, Sony ( No longer BMG) EMI and Time Warner all of them enemies of america and of the citizen of the world in general.
Fortunatly people noticed the danger and now these business are well on their way to extinction.
But this kind of parasites while the largest in size are not the most virulent.
Another one way smaller in comparaison but much more toxic is the business of scientology.
If the music industry was the flu the cult of scientology would be the Ebola Virus.
Fortunatly these parasites made the big mistake of attracting attention to themselve while trying to trample the freedom of speech of the internet comunity just like the RIAA did before them.
BIG MISTAKE!
They too are now doomed to extinction as a result as hundred of thousand of internet activists and bloggers are after them spreading the true.
Morality: if like the majors of the entairtainenement industry or the cult of scientology you have something to hide do not attract the attention on what you are doing to the internet comunity.
Any way with internet sooner or later someone is going to find out about business based on lies and deceptions and sooner or later they will be wiped out. But may be these business prefer “Later”.
Think about it. Even the totalitarian governement of China is not able to keep the citizen quiet on internet!
meanwhile the victim of scientology need our help!
September 24th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
@ Anonymous
go back to /b/
September 24th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
JON NEWTON, please be aware that by taking on Scientology, you may be endangering both yourself and your family. Witness BBC Panorama reporter John Sweeney in the recent documentary “Scientology and Me” and its followup reports (on both Bittorrent and Youtube) - who reported being investigated, followed everywhere, privacy violated, and more. If anyone is ever declared an enemy of scientology [SP or “fair game”] the cult will attempt to destroy them in every possible way, both legal and illegal. First they will hire private investigators to try to dig up dirt on the person. If that fails to work, they move on to more sinister means.
Virtually every person — including and especially reporters — who has stepped up to criticise Scientology has lived to regret it.
I only say this as a warning, not a threat. If you understand the risks and still want to pursue this, then good luck to you.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Hey Jon, awesome work on these articles…
Here is something that may interest you. Somebody leaked a piece of a lecture in which L. Ron Hubbard details what he thought about the police. It is a very interesting listen! He accuses them of selling disaster on purpose and mentions how they can be used by Scientology. All in his own voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXLf_pr7cPE
P.S the guy was fucking nuts. (But you know that)
September 24th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
If no-one ever stands up against the likes of CoS, then a lot more is endangered than just families, in the long run…
I give a big thumbs up for both John Sweeney and Jon^^, lets hope more people join in the campaign to expose those persistent, wall-crawling, eh, CoS associates and the tragedies they’ve caused, and pushing towards making them accountable for those actions… (on second thought, calling them cxxxxxxxxxx would be just too disrespectful towards the little buggers…).
If more people keep reporting on and exposing CoS, and less people giving a blind eye whenever they try to enforce their mad doctrines, I think there’s definitely a light at the end of the tunnel. We just need a few more courageous people, thanks Jon^^…
I myself don’t give a fly-poop’s worth for the warning in the previous comment and can’t think of any reason why I ever should…
September 24th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
elronTubbard was famously misogynist. DIEAnetics, the scientology bible, has many examples. Unfortunately Scilons believe every idiotic word he wrote. Since they worship his insane words it is easy to understand their insane behaviour.
The behaviour cannot be condoned and must end because of the damage it causes to people like Anonymousexscikid.
Scientology is the Hubbard virus.
Needs chemo.
From a review back in the day:
“Hubbard reveals a deep-seated hatred of women….When Hubbard’s Mamas are not getting kicked in the stomach by their husbands or having affairs with lovers, they are preoccupied with AA [attempted abortion]–usually by means of knitting needles” (Gardner 1957: 267).
The late Theodore Sturgeon, a distinguished science- fiction writer knew Hubbard fairly well, and told people that at a sci-fi convention the previous year Hubbard had told him and several other writers something like this:
“You guys just wait. I’ve thought up a racket that’s going to make me very rich.
You’ll hear about it in a few months.” The book “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health” was the result.
A few hours ago I finished reading this book, and it has occured to me that the mild popularity this book has experienced is an excellent example of what happens when people have no knowledge of what science is and how science works.
If Dianetics is “the modern science,” God help us all!
From:
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/dia-rev2.htm
I am staying tuned and I thank you again Jon.
September 25th, 2008 at 12:00 am
jon, you rock. keep on with the good articles.
Don’t be afraid of fair game as it is stated in another comment : it’s another footbullet for the “church” if they do so. still, if it happens, talk to the feds, and
September 25th, 2008 at 12:01 am
oops i forgot to add : “all your media friends”
September 25th, 2008 at 12:44 am
It’s just awful what the Scientology organization does to children. It really makes me angry that they get away with this. Tricking adults is one thing, but kids are innocent, they deserve to have a childhood. Scientology forces them into a corner. It separates kids from their families and denies them a proper education. There are kids aged 13 working 80 to 100 hours a week in Scientology’s Sea Organization. They get recruited using lies and high pressure scare tactics, signing staff contracts often without parental consent. All so David Miscavige can buy another $5000 suit.
Scientology’s Exploitation of Children: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI2-9PLKpmM
September 25th, 2008 at 1:45 am
I was in Scientology for 22 years. When I went in I was ignorant,
depressed, aimless and unsure of myself.
22 years later I was all the above plus tired and broke.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:49 am
“JON NEWTON, please be aware that by taking on Scientology, you may be endangering both yourself and your family”
Here they go!
A Troll from the Scientology corporation trying to intimidate!
September 25th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
@Reader’s Write: that’s clearly not a threat, it’s a legitimate warning about the intimidation tactics that the cult employs. They most likely wouldn’t threaten him HERE, on a comment thread. The trolls will certainly get here eventually, like terryeo and the other famous trolls (how are your stats doing, guys? are they up? don’t get sent to RPF, I wouldn’t wish that even on you, unless perhaps it would wake you up to the realities of the horrors your little organization is capable of), but if they were going threaten him, they’d do it for real. Harassing phone calls, etc.
Keep spreading the word of the evils of this group! They cannot last if they are starved of new members that are ignorant of what they are in for.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
How is it any different from every other religion? They all seek to indoctrinate and promote their ideologies. Though one could argue that christianity and islam are far worse. Just look through history at the things done in the name of god; crusades, hitler, suicide bombers etc. The papal state has been involved in some of the worst atrocities in the history of mankind. Any form of religion is inherently deleterious to it’s disciples and so called heathens / heretics.
I see no one criticising those religions. I detect hypocrisy.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:39 am
@RW-
I think that I remember you making this point before, under a different name.
Name any of these atrocities, and you’ll find a political or financial agenda behind it. While it was in the “name of God” (or allah, or athiesm, or whatever), there was always an agenda behind it.
Same with the cult. Most people in the cult geniunely believe they’re helping, but there’s a clear agenda behind the atrocities in the group.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:10 am
@ Reader’s Right
The crusades, hitler, suicide bombers, etc. are very good examples of why any ‘church’, philosophy, or politician should be held accountable for their actions. A fast search of the news from the past few months shows the Church of Scientology involved in deadly coverups (blue asbestos on the Freewinds), infiltrating goverments and stealing classified documents (convicted in Belgium Sept 2007) Murder (Head of one of the orgs in France was convicted of purposely driving a man to suicide). Every religion I’ve ever seen has been subject to protest when they are caught harming their parishioners or the community it serves.
Right now we have a powerful and wealthy organization which teaches that two percent of the population should be disposed of ‘quietly and without sorrow.’ It considers it’s members to be a more evolved ‘master race’ (homo novis). Knowing that, I’m not surprised by the way this organization treats it’s neighbors.
I don’t understand an argument that mines the history books for other people’s crimes rather than dealing with the current problems. A murderer isn’t free from prosecution until they match a serial killer’s record. Fraud doesn’t become illegal only when it reaches Enron proportion. Crimes are not judged on a curve. The goal is to avoid the atrocities of history, not to recreate them. If the best defense of your actions that can be found is to compare yourself to Hitler, then you might want reconsider those actions.
September 26th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Exscientologykid so very God Bless You In The Nme Of Jesus The Christ. scientology is on it’s last leg and that leg is getting shorter very rapidly. Anonymous and Critics and Exs All have contributed to it’s downfall.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:42 am
THE ETERNAL FIGHT BETWEEN RONBOTS AND RONBOT-HUNTERS WILL NEVER END!
The Scientologists still under the mind control of the anti-God Cult’s Ronbot staff, still have not received full disclosure on the facts that Ex-Scientologists now know about THE GREATEST SCAM ON EARTH!!.
The Ronbots still in the Anti-God Cult are not allowed to question ANYTHING and are not allowed to research anything. Yet they are encouraged under the Fair-Game policy to hurt, harm, sue, slander, attack, hit, abuse, libel, lie, scam, rob, etc. or even kill Ex-Scientologists or their own families who dare to expose the facts and the truth.
These Ronbots—now called ZOMBIES AND SCILONS by the non-ex-scientology public, are used as sacrificial lambs by the Cult to open groundless and frivolous lawsuits only designed to destroy and make the ex-Scientologists and the public afraid to expose them.
But “Ronbot Hunters” or “Zombie Hunters”are now learning the UCC and Common law remedies to stop and destroy the Godless Ronbots — who allowed un-ethical lawsuits to be made in their names.
The Ronbots use the anti-God “Fair-Game” policy to destroy Ex-Scientologists, innocent mothers and fathers and now Ronbot Hunters are learning to use the Constitution and Commercial remedies, contract laws and the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) to protect their rights.
THE ETERNAL FIGHT OF GOOD VS. EVIL HAS A NEW FACE.
The fact that fanatical Ronbots are not allowed to read what they will or desire, tells you that the Cult fears knowledge of the truth.
But the truth can only be exposed by “the statements of the majority”, with personal first hand knowledge of Scientology.
Since Ronbots never know all the facts, their statements in defense of the Cult is biased, because they are prohibited from research of the facts – their opinions are also invalid.
To learn the truth — you must learn what the MAJORITY of free-minded Ex-Scientologists claim.
They claim this well known fact—that the Church of Scientology is a GODLESS CULT.
They also claim that the Study technology of Dianetics was stolen from two laws of nature. Physiological Reactions and the laws of Cause and Effect.
This evil anti-god cult has its own Navy and armed bases, CIA type agencies, saboteurs, assassins, bullies to hit and set you up, infiltrators and spies in other churches and in the government. They have brain-washed Ronbots with weapons of mass destruction (fully automatic) just ready to blow you away. They are dangerous to all mankind and to all real religions of the world.
Do not fear to learn what both sides have to say on any issue. Always seek full disclosure on everything.
Read what Ex-Scientologists have to say, find out what the MAJORITY CLAIMS.
Find the truth and never allow others to tell you what to think, do or say. Always seek out the truth — even if you will be fired or kicked-out from the Cult.
Don’t be a ZOMBIE – use your own self-determinism –dare to demand the truth!!!
FREEDON OF RELIGION — IS ALSO FREEDOM TO LEARN THE TRUTH.
Sincerely yours,
Ronbothunter
All Rights Reserved
September 27th, 2008 at 10:20 am
>> Anonymous Says:
>> September 24th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
” The cult of Scientology will be destroyed, and we are not ashamed to admit that
we derive exquisite pleasure in returning the favour of terror and suffering to those
who created and perpetuated this repulsive criminal organization.
For win, lol and Ceiling Cat we shall crush Scientology.”" (end of quote)
Anonymous are definetly peaceful!
If you replace Scientology with Hebrew what kind of propaganda would you get?
I read the first book of Ron Hubbard in 1983, then I went to a church of Scientology
and I continued to read Scientology books and follow courses when I wanted since that time.
I went to the church when I wanted and I left it when I wanted so all these accusations
against Scientology are not real! They are not real at all!
If one wants to buy a Scientology book or ten or fifty he has the right to do so!
And if he does not want to follow Scientology he could just don’t go there and
do something else!
One should follow Scientology because he likes to!
If he does not likethe data in the books he can study a different subject
and leave Scientology and Scientologists alone!
If someone writes “The cult of Scientology will be destroyed” I would like to remind him that
we are not in Germany 1935! The “time” is: 27 Sept 2008! The Nazi party has lost and
after that constitutions were written allowing freedom of religion.
I am free to follow any Christian religion, Scientology or I could worship Baal or Jupiter
… couldn’t I?
So Mr. Anon just cool down!
Find some subject you like to study and study it, and don’t wate your time trying to figure how to
destroy the right of others to get the knowledge they like to get.
subjects they like to study.
September 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
So, FrankG…
You didn’t say whether or not you actually joined the CoS, and if so, if you’re still a member.
September 27th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
@FrangG
… except CoS isn’t and has never been a religion, only a cult and perhaps not even that. That cult has ruined peoples lives, framed them for crimes, extorted money, harrassed severely people critical of it, been found guilty of money laundering and tax evasion in various countries, gagged people from telling the truth or their experiences by malicious lawsuits and takedown notices, engaged in brainwashing it’s members and even others if ever given a chance, other things similar you name it, just take a look at the stories at xenu.dot.com (I recommend checking the story of Paulette Cooper) and those are just the tip of the iceberg…
…So no, mr FrankG, I will NOT cool down. Not before that cult is dead and buried, with a stake through its heart to make sure it also stays dead…
You bring the oppression of Nazis up in your post as comparison and use it against anonymous, so I’ll have to counter it. You really want to know what CoS is and what it stands for? Then go to Wikipedia and look up “Hitler Youth”, replace all instances of that name with CoS, all organization and leader names with CoS equivalents, and you’ll have a pretty accurate article describing the cancer in our society called ‘Church of Scientology’… It would quite easily also pass as a type of ‘mafia’ organization; many of their antics are pretty much the same (look up on the net their ‘fair game policy’ used against those who attack CoS…)
I’d not call the anonymous ‘Nazis’, instead I’m inclined to call them the ‘resistance fighters’ in defense of freedom and truth, both online and offline, and if possible I’d give them a medal for that^^…
FrankG, I recommend you yourself do a little more studying on the subject…
September 27th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Frank G
Are you calling me a liar.
My Story is factual and true. Don’t force me to go to court with it, to defend it.
Do you have any kids Frank G ?
scientology discriminates against wogs and there is a great civil rights case right there alone against the cult/corp of $cientology.
Blatant disregard of your fellow man/women and children right there.
Nazi’s gave disparaging names and lrh gave them to the general public calling them wogs.
Who is more like the Nazi’s ?
one way or another, $cientology is going down.
Thanks for sharing my story JON NEWTON you got my email.
And thanks for all the supportive post and people who know I’m truthful in my story at exscientologykidsvoiceinunison
Did you get the part about voices in unison Frank ? Duh
David Miscavage’s own Niece co started this page, how blind can frank g be XD
Peace and Victory for the people and Anonymous
Chris
September 30th, 2008 at 11:07 am
WE ARE LEGION FOR WE ARE MANY! WE WILL NOT FALTER IN OUR TASK TO DESTROY CO$! FRANKG, YOU ARE A PUPPET, LET US CUT YOUR STRINGS1