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	<title>Comments on: CBC Sarah Palin back-down</title>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17196/comment-page-1#comment-819005</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ratfaced:

Two points for you.  Why would you not support having that ridiculous diatribe by Mallick taken down?  It was nothing but junior high school level insults and nothing particularly useful in any sensible political discourse.   Straight up personal attacks like hers certainly don&#039;t belong in a national media forum and, frankly, I&#039;m stumped why you&#039;d defend something that utterly stupid and deep in the gutter.  If someone had said that garbage about your mother and family would you stand by and let it go unanswered?  I&#039;ll assume not so why would you condone the same garbage being directed at someone else?  

Second point: &quot;The US Media is now restricted to a range of centrist to right&quot;  Um no.  That may be your impression but it is absolutely dead wrong and the numbers back  that up.  Besides Rupert owning 1 cable news station of note (yes I know I know he owns many various other news outlets but none with more audience), I have no idea how you could come to that conclusion with any lucid thought.  The NY Times and MSNBC have already admitted and apologized to being shills for Obama in their coverage.  

Most importantly a simple check of the fec.gov website donor list by members of the MSM will show you that 99% of the talking heads, executives and major writers donate to the Democratic party just as one would expect.  I sure hope that clears up some of those wrong ideas for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ratfaced:</p>
<p>Two points for you.  Why would you not support having that ridiculous diatribe by Mallick taken down?  It was nothing but junior high school level insults and nothing particularly useful in any sensible political discourse.   Straight up personal attacks like hers certainly don&#8217;t belong in a national media forum and, frankly, I&#8217;m stumped why you&#8217;d defend something that utterly stupid and deep in the gutter.  If someone had said that garbage about your mother and family would you stand by and let it go unanswered?  I&#8217;ll assume not so why would you condone the same garbage being directed at someone else?  </p>
<p>Second point: &#8220;The US Media is now restricted to a range of centrist to right&#8221;  Um no.  That may be your impression but it is absolutely dead wrong and the numbers back  that up.  Besides Rupert owning 1 cable news station of note (yes I know I know he owns many various other news outlets but none with more audience), I have no idea how you could come to that conclusion with any lucid thought.  The NY Times and MSNBC have already admitted and apologized to being shills for Obama in their coverage.  </p>
<p>Most importantly a simple check of the fec.gov website donor list by members of the MSM will show you that 99% of the talking heads, executives and major writers donate to the Democratic party just as one would expect.  I sure hope that clears up some of those wrong ideas for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Silly Ratfaced Git</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silly Ratfaced Git</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Mike:

&quot;The CBC unbiased ?&quot;

I probably was not clear in my statement.  The US Media is now restricted to a range of centrist to right.  The left is not represented at all in most of the MSM.  Radio is the one exception as there are a few liberal talk radio shows.  They are greatly outnumbered by right wing radio talk shows however.  Since I view CBC as slightly left of center, they give me very useful balance to the overwhelmingly right of center US media.  Since we are all in North America, the CBC is more immediately useful to me than the British, Aussie, and Kiwi media.  I also care about what&#039;s going on in Canada, believe it or not.  Not all Americans are provincial twits.  I certainly admit that too many are. 

I have no idea how many Americans know who Harper is.  If I went to the mall and asked people who the PM of Canada is, I don&#039;t think I&#039;d find one person that knew the answer.  Change it from Canada to the UK and there might be a slight chance of getting someone to answer Gordon Brown.   I expect that I&#039;d get several Tony Blair answers.  Our news media ignores the rest of the world most of the time.  The last news story about Canada on US TV news was the bus murder.  Major US newspapers do mention Canada regularly, particularly politics. 

&quot;They are the ultimate Liberal Party of Canada publicly financed (1 billion per year) propaganda machine.&quot;

Since they are publicly financed, could it be that their position represents the majority of the Canadian public?  Perhaps most Canadians are more liberal than you are.  I have no problem with you being a conservative, please give liberals the same consideration.  It takes people from both ends of the political spectrum to have a healthy government.  This prevents excesses from either side.

At least you can avoid the CBC since you disagree with their political slant.  I haven&#039;t that option.  There are no liberal media outlets in the US anymore, and the centrists keep moving to the right.  The neocons are completely destroying the USA and the US media is complicit.  Our two parties are really one big corporatist party.  The US government is now a government of, for, and by the corporations.  The bad news for Canada is that it looks like Harper is dragging Canada in the same direction.  C-61 certainly looks like the laws we get down here written by corporate lobbyists.  Welcome to fascism.  We fought it in the 1940&#039;s but it sneaked in while everyone was watching &#039;Dancing with the Stars&#039;.
 
Reply to anon:

I agree.  The internet prevents the complete control of &#039;news&#039; by the government and corporations.  That&#039;s why I get very nervous when I hear about throttling/censorship.  Give the corporations enough time and they&#039;ll figure out a way to control all the info on the intartubes.  (New name in honor of hopefully soon to be ex US Senator Ted &#039;like a series of tubes&#039; Stevens.)

I do believe that Anonymous has made it very difficult for the CoS to attract new members.  Keep those down-stats coming.  My understanding is that new membership enrollment has been steadily declining for the past 15 years.  This is believed to be because of the critics that have used the internet to keep the truth out there and available.
I don&#039;t have confirmation, but I have heard the new member enrollment is almost zero since Anonymous started their protests.  Keep up the good work.  They really hate down-stats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Mike:</p>
<p>&#8220;The CBC unbiased ?&#8221;</p>
<p>I probably was not clear in my statement.  The US Media is now restricted to a range of centrist to right.  The left is not represented at all in most of the MSM.  Radio is the one exception as there are a few liberal talk radio shows.  They are greatly outnumbered by right wing radio talk shows however.  Since I view CBC as slightly left of center, they give me very useful balance to the overwhelmingly right of center US media.  Since we are all in North America, the CBC is more immediately useful to me than the British, Aussie, and Kiwi media.  I also care about what&#8217;s going on in Canada, believe it or not.  Not all Americans are provincial twits.  I certainly admit that too many are. </p>
<p>I have no idea how many Americans know who Harper is.  If I went to the mall and asked people who the PM of Canada is, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d find one person that knew the answer.  Change it from Canada to the UK and there might be a slight chance of getting someone to answer Gordon Brown.   I expect that I&#8217;d get several Tony Blair answers.  Our news media ignores the rest of the world most of the time.  The last news story about Canada on US TV news was the bus murder.  Major US newspapers do mention Canada regularly, particularly politics. </p>
<p>&#8220;They are the ultimate Liberal Party of Canada publicly financed (1 billion per year) propaganda machine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since they are publicly financed, could it be that their position represents the majority of the Canadian public?  Perhaps most Canadians are more liberal than you are.  I have no problem with you being a conservative, please give liberals the same consideration.  It takes people from both ends of the political spectrum to have a healthy government.  This prevents excesses from either side.</p>
<p>At least you can avoid the CBC since you disagree with their political slant.  I haven&#8217;t that option.  There are no liberal media outlets in the US anymore, and the centrists keep moving to the right.  The neocons are completely destroying the USA and the US media is complicit.  Our two parties are really one big corporatist party.  The US government is now a government of, for, and by the corporations.  The bad news for Canada is that it looks like Harper is dragging Canada in the same direction.  C-61 certainly looks like the laws we get down here written by corporate lobbyists.  Welcome to fascism.  We fought it in the 1940&#8217;s but it sneaked in while everyone was watching &#8216;Dancing with the Stars&#8217;.</p>
<p>Reply to anon:</p>
<p>I agree.  The internet prevents the complete control of &#8216;news&#8217; by the government and corporations.  That&#8217;s why I get very nervous when I hear about throttling/censorship.  Give the corporations enough time and they&#8217;ll figure out a way to control all the info on the intartubes.  (New name in honor of hopefully soon to be ex US Senator Ted &#8216;like a series of tubes&#8217; Stevens.)</p>
<p>I do believe that Anonymous has made it very difficult for the CoS to attract new members.  Keep those down-stats coming.  My understanding is that new membership enrollment has been steadily declining for the past 15 years.  This is believed to be because of the critics that have used the internet to keep the truth out there and available.<br />
I don&#8217;t have confirmation, but I have heard the new member enrollment is almost zero since Anonymous started their protests.  Keep up the good work.  They really hate down-stats.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is why it&#039;s good idea to dig into every story and find the other half, then post the hell out of it in every blog and social site on net, can&#039;t shut &#039;em all down, lolz
&gt;&gt; or same as youtube, repost it till they give up trying to kill it 

we are winning , their stats are crashing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is why it&#8217;s good idea to dig into every story and find the other half, then post the hell out of it in every blog and social site on net, can&#8217;t shut &#8216;em all down, lolz<br />
&gt;&gt; or same as youtube, repost it till they give up trying to kill it </p>
<p>we are winning , their stats are crashing</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CBC unbiased ? They are the ultimate Liberal Party of Canada publicly financed (1 billion per year) propaganda machine. I would&#039;nt believe yesterday&#039;s weather report from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CBC unbiased ? They are the ultimate Liberal Party of Canada publicly financed (1 billion per year) propaganda machine. I would&#8217;nt believe yesterday&#8217;s weather report from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A lot of the canadian news industry is starting to be owned by giant investors and foreign companies, which is also pretty alarming... I don&#039;t know what to say about the CBC itself, since it is only funded by government. As Canadian citizens, can we really trust what&#039;s coming from the horse&#039;s mouth?&lt;br /&gt;
Also, I saw a similar article on Palin. It was titled &quot;Is Palin a liability for the Republicans?&quot;. It was a front-page article (continued on page E9 or whatever), and had a nice picture attached. This is from a paper with a distribution of 100,000 copies, so.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the canadian news industry is starting to be owned by giant investors and foreign companies, which is also pretty alarming&#8230; I don&#8217;t know what to say about the CBC itself, since it is only funded by government. As Canadian citizens, can we really trust what&#8217;s coming from the horse&#8217;s mouth?<br />
Also, I saw a similar article on Palin. It was titled &#8220;Is Palin a liability for the Republicans?&#8221;. It was a front-page article (continued on page E9 or whatever), and had a nice picture attached. This is from a paper with a distribution of 100,000 copies, so.</p>
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