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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-2#comment-828517</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very much like World of Warcraft guild drama.</description>
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		<title>By: Monkey D. Luffy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-2#comment-827990</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey D. Luffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But... Can&#039;t we all just get along? (wrings hands and a teardrop forms)

&quot; I feel it in my fingers
I feel it in my toes
love is all around me
and so the feeling grows&quot;  - Troggs

&quot;People let me tell you &#039;bout my best friend,
He&#039;s a warm hearted person who&#039;ll love me till the end. &quot;

Don&#039;t you just feel the love growing inside you? Don&#039;t you want to hug Sam I am and RIIA rep and say &quot;now now don&#039;t be angwy wangwy, we wuv you so vewy much!&quot; I just can&#039;t STAND IT, I&#039;m going to cry!!! Sorry John, I have to go now to eat some Tofu and watch Oprah Winfry.</description>
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<p>&#8221; I feel it in my fingers<br />
I feel it in my toes<br />
love is all around me<br />
and so the feeling grows&#8221;  &#8211; Troggs</p>
<p>&#8220;People let me tell you &#8217;bout my best friend,<br />
He&#8217;s a warm hearted person who&#8217;ll love me till the end. &#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you just feel the love growing inside you? Don&#8217;t you want to hug Sam I am and RIIA rep and say &#8220;now now don&#8217;t be angwy wangwy, we wuv you so vewy much!&#8221; I just can&#8217;t STAND IT, I&#8217;m going to cry!!! Sorry John, I have to go now to eat some Tofu and watch Oprah Winfry.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-2#comment-824957</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and, Sam,
   &quot;Backwoods fury&quot;, &quot;L. Ron Hubbard&quot;?  You can do better than that.  

   Yet again with the pissy little jibes.  Too bad you&#039;re not interested in actually, I dunno, reading and learning stuff.

   Moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and, Sam,<br />
   &#8220;Backwoods fury&#8221;, &#8220;L. Ron Hubbard&#8221;?  You can do better than that.  </p>
<p>   Yet again with the pissy little jibes.  Too bad you&#8217;re not interested in actually, I dunno, reading and learning stuff.</p>
<p>   Moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-2#comment-824950</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam:
   None of us are particularly interested in the specific details of your business, or your &quot;star intern&quot;, or any of that.  We already understand that you believe that your business model depends NOT merely on SOME form of &quot;IP&quot; law, but on the existing system, with it&#039;s Life-plus-70, &quot;works for hire&quot;, etc.

   &quot;Compared to a deceased colombian drug-lord?&quot;  Nah, more like Jack Valenti, Hillary Rosen, and other such folks.  Oddly enough, the RIAA -- who you claim not to support, as I recall --- routinely trot out various cases where they&#039;ve defended Freedom of speech, stood against government-imposed censorship, etc.  Ultimately, however, none of that matters in the lease, because -- and here&#039;s the important part coming up -- they engage in such noble &quot;Freedom-loving&quot; advocacy while simultaneously lobbying the State to grant them ever longer copyright terms.  

   The specifics of your business don&#039;t matter, &quot;Sam&quot;:  what&#039;s important is:

    1. You&#039;ve continually sidestepped even the simplest questions asked of you -- prefering instead to sermonize endlessly about &quot;the sacred right of property&quot;, accuse your opponents of communism/anarchism/immorality etc -- up to and including Jon Newton himself.  

   2. You defend a system of &quot;IP&quot; law which you ADMIT is only available to you in it&#039;s present form due to the lobbying of scum like the RIAA/MPAA.  You&#039;ve already ADMITTED that -- barring their actions -- the vast majority of the &quot;content&quot; shared on p2p networks wouldn&#039;t BE &quot;property&quot; anymore.  That is, after all, what&#039;s supposed to happen.  

   3. Now suddely you want Jon to write an editorial &quot;in his own voice&quot; -- disregarding the fact that he&#039;s provided you with copious links to posts where he&#039;s already stated his position quite clearly AND the fact that you&#039;ve repeatedly claimed that the history of copyright is &quot;beside the point&quot;.  Not only that, but you&#039;ve also stated several times that any opposition toward -- or even questioning of -- the current IP setup is merely &quot;rationalization for selfish greed&quot; and mere windowdressing for &quot;rampant lawlessness&quot;.

  4. I&#039;ve offered nicely to provide you with links to sources which better explain the concerns and theory behind many different critiques of the current state of &quot;intellectual property&quot;, on condition that you actually READ them, and then respond intelligently to them.   You&#039;ve ignored my proposal, choosing instead to take the &quot;I&#039;m just a poor widdle Average-Joe Businessman who can finally take good care of Mama&quot; line of attack.

     So, don&#039;t be suprised if nobody takes you seriously here, or treats you with the &quot;respect&quot; you supposedly think you deserve:  you&#039;ve done nothing but parrot off every big of RIAA/MPAA propaganda, AND sneer at us all in the process.

    This thread was originally about &quot;trolls and trolling&quot;, so I for one think it&#039;s extremely appropriate that you&#039;ve chosen -- yet again -- to sally forth from under your bridge once more, to hurl insults and nonsequiturs at us all, yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam:<br />
   None of us are particularly interested in the specific details of your business, or your &#8220;star intern&#8221;, or any of that.  We already understand that you believe that your business model depends NOT merely on SOME form of &#8220;IP&#8221; law, but on the existing system, with it&#8217;s Life-plus-70, &#8220;works for hire&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>   &#8220;Compared to a deceased colombian drug-lord?&#8221;  Nah, more like Jack Valenti, Hillary Rosen, and other such folks.  Oddly enough, the RIAA &#8212; who you claim not to support, as I recall &#8212; routinely trot out various cases where they&#8217;ve defended Freedom of speech, stood against government-imposed censorship, etc.  Ultimately, however, none of that matters in the lease, because &#8212; and here&#8217;s the important part coming up &#8212; they engage in such noble &#8220;Freedom-loving&#8221; advocacy while simultaneously lobbying the State to grant them ever longer copyright terms.  </p>
<p>   The specifics of your business don&#8217;t matter, &#8220;Sam&#8221;:  what&#8217;s important is:</p>
<p>    1. You&#8217;ve continually sidestepped even the simplest questions asked of you &#8212; prefering instead to sermonize endlessly about &#8220;the sacred right of property&#8221;, accuse your opponents of communism/anarchism/immorality etc &#8212; up to and including Jon Newton himself.  </p>
<p>   2. You defend a system of &#8220;IP&#8221; law which you ADMIT is only available to you in it&#8217;s present form due to the lobbying of scum like the RIAA/MPAA.  You&#8217;ve already ADMITTED that &#8212; barring their actions &#8212; the vast majority of the &#8220;content&#8221; shared on p2p networks wouldn&#8217;t BE &#8220;property&#8221; anymore.  That is, after all, what&#8217;s supposed to happen.  </p>
<p>   3. Now suddely you want Jon to write an editorial &#8220;in his own voice&#8221; &#8212; disregarding the fact that he&#8217;s provided you with copious links to posts where he&#8217;s already stated his position quite clearly AND the fact that you&#8217;ve repeatedly claimed that the history of copyright is &#8220;beside the point&#8221;.  Not only that, but you&#8217;ve also stated several times that any opposition toward &#8212; or even questioning of &#8212; the current IP setup is merely &#8220;rationalization for selfish greed&#8221; and mere windowdressing for &#8220;rampant lawlessness&#8221;.</p>
<p>  4. I&#8217;ve offered nicely to provide you with links to sources which better explain the concerns and theory behind many different critiques of the current state of &#8220;intellectual property&#8221;, on condition that you actually READ them, and then respond intelligently to them.   You&#8217;ve ignored my proposal, choosing instead to take the &#8220;I&#8217;m just a poor widdle Average-Joe Businessman who can finally take good care of Mama&#8221; line of attack.</p>
<p>     So, don&#8217;t be suprised if nobody takes you seriously here, or treats you with the &#8220;respect&#8221; you supposedly think you deserve:  you&#8217;ve done nothing but parrot off every big of RIAA/MPAA propaganda, AND sneer at us all in the process.</p>
<p>    This thread was originally about &#8220;trolls and trolling&#8221;, so I for one think it&#8217;s extremely appropriate that you&#8217;ve chosen &#8212; yet again &#8212; to sally forth from under your bridge once more, to hurl insults and nonsequiturs at us all, yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: DBL</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-824674</link>
		<dc:creator>DBL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any time a conflict with a commenter gets to the point where you have to (a) post his private email to you, (b) call him out in public, (c) threaten to punish everyone for his actions by changing the system, then you can very certain that you have handled it badly and as a result have failed quite spectacularly. This troll is just a nuisance - this website&#039;s response, however, is embarrassing, and this whole web page right here that I&#039;m typing under, should never have seen the light of day.

If you can&#039;t deal with trolls the way everybody does, then just change your system: don&#039;t threaten it. Don&#039;t pout publically. Maybe make a post after the change explaining why, but don&#039;t open your dirty laundry for us in advance and then look at us as if you expect us to do anything about it. This is web. You should be used to this by now. I feel no sympathy for you whatsoever.

P.S. Love your site. 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any time a conflict with a commenter gets to the point where you have to (a) post his private email to you, (b) call him out in public, (c) threaten to punish everyone for his actions by changing the system, then you can very certain that you have handled it badly and as a result have failed quite spectacularly. This troll is just a nuisance &#8211; this website&#8217;s response, however, is embarrassing, and this whole web page right here that I&#8217;m typing under, should never have seen the light of day.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t deal with trolls the way everybody does, then just change your system: don&#8217;t threaten it. Don&#8217;t pout publically. Maybe make a post after the change explaining why, but don&#8217;t open your dirty laundry for us in advance and then look at us as if you expect us to do anything about it. This is web. You should be used to this by now. I feel no sympathy for you whatsoever.</p>
<p>P.S. Love your site. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-824626</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your rich huh? jon isnt. have you made a contribution? dont bother to answer (has he jon?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your rich huh? jon isnt. have you made a contribution? dont bother to answer (has he jon?)</p>
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		<title>By: Quartz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-824418</link>
		<dc:creator>Quartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear the &quot;I,m more holy than you speech&quot;, how exciting.

Many folks are waking up to the corporate greed and whilst the fact is you write your cheques out to some worthy causes the revenue supporting those checks comes likely from over extended ip property terms that steal off the consumer and where put in place by &quot;donation&quot; taking politicians.

Please dont tell us what a nice man you are when we keep your job safe for you its shameful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear the &#8220;I,m more holy than you speech&#8221;, how exciting.</p>
<p>Many folks are waking up to the corporate greed and whilst the fact is you write your cheques out to some worthy causes the revenue supporting those checks comes likely from over extended ip property terms that steal off the consumer and where put in place by &#8220;donation&#8221; taking politicians.</p>
<p>Please dont tell us what a nice man you are when we keep your job safe for you its shameful.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam I Am</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-822746</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam I Am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since the rhetoric is heating and I’m now compared to a deceased Columbian drug lord, a bit more transparency about our design business is in order so you can better understand how secure IP can support a variety of good causes.  On Monday I’m a invited guest at the Future of Music Seminar, an all day affair here in New York that will try to figure out how musicians can survive and afford health insurance and that sort of thing in this new enlightened age of piracy. You can read about this on Beckerman’s blog in a post dated Wednesday, October first.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also on Monday, we are sending our star intern Meegan out to LA to put final touches on that water initiative she developed with Bruckheimer’s people. Meegan worked on one of his films last year and it was her genius to ask him to credit the world’s participating water companies in the crawl of a future motion picture, all in exchange for the bottlers giving and shipping cargo planes full of pallets of bottled water to Africa. My personal contribution is a check that will allow Meegan to hire staff and book flights, hotels, cars and local cellphones; basically organizational ground support to aid in the logistics of clearing customs and getting it all trucked out into the plains. Meegan is still in college and a real smarty. She came up with this and did it largely on her own time, and she is not yet 21.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then later next week I’ve gotta bounce to Munich for a week of meetings with a “three-letter name” motorcycle company there. We’ve conceived, written and staged their bike-launch trade shows in a dozen cities around the world since 2002, all under our license. All through the 1990’s we used to do the big ToyFair in Nurnberg and an exec from this firm saw our stuff and invited us down to talk. This’ll be our sixth year. The beer is good and they gave me a nice bike, too. I like working for them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then there’s Henry. Since Henry got copyright religion a few weeks back he’s been hectoring me here about history and my personal greed, and demanding I do my homework on law that is the basis of agreements I’ve actually been drafting and enforcing since about the time he was born. Henry won’t actually tell us about his career or where he invests the majority of his time each week and how this makes him the P2Pnet copyright expert. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Truth is, for weeks now Henry has been parroting the dogma of one Karl Fogel, a narrow-minded messiah dedicated to prying copyright from the hands of creators for the betterment of humankind. Nevermind that Fogel takes fees lecturing at universities and also cash advances from publishers for his “Creative Commons” licensed books. In Fogel’s world he’s entitled to the revenue stream his work produces but we’re not. Henry’s been channeling Fogel all along, in fact the only original thoughts Henry has offered here so far are his liquidy shit comment and referencing Mitch Bainwol’s semen. Everything else--virtually everything beginning all the way back at the Statute of Anne--is a direct lift from Fogel, all without one single word of proper attribution. Naturally. That’s how Henry Ermich “thinks”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So Meegan is off to LA and I’m at the music seminar next week and Henry sits and sputters, fuming in his small town/backwoods fury while channeling filesharings’ version of L. Ron Hubbard in his own private little IP-Church-of-Scientology.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We all live the lives we earn for ourselves, Henry, and you are quite right to stay in Pennsylvania. We both started there, true, but I got out and I thank my lucky stars I’m not you. You couldn’t carry Meegan’s briefcase, and your rebel-without-a-clue school of “thinking” would land you back on the bus in a heartbeat.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the rhetoric is heating and I’m now compared to a deceased Columbian drug lord, a bit more transparency about our design business is in order so you can better understand how secure IP can support a variety of good causes.  On Monday I’m a invited guest at the Future of Music Seminar, an all day affair here in New York that will try to figure out how musicians can survive and afford health insurance and that sort of thing in this new enlightened age of piracy. You can read about this on Beckerman’s blog in a post dated Wednesday, October first.</p>
<p><a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>Also on Monday, we are sending our star intern Meegan out to LA to put final touches on that water initiative she developed with Bruckheimer’s people. Meegan worked on one of his films last year and it was her genius to ask him to credit the world’s participating water companies in the crawl of a future motion picture, all in exchange for the bottlers giving and shipping cargo planes full of pallets of bottled water to Africa. My personal contribution is a check that will allow Meegan to hire staff and book flights, hotels, cars and local cellphones; basically organizational ground support to aid in the logistics of clearing customs and getting it all trucked out into the plains. Meegan is still in college and a real smarty. She came up with this and did it largely on her own time, and she is not yet 21.</p>
<p>Then later next week I’ve gotta bounce to Munich for a week of meetings with a “three-letter name” motorcycle company there. We’ve conceived, written and staged their bike-launch trade shows in a dozen cities around the world since 2002, all under our license. All through the 1990’s we used to do the big ToyFair in Nurnberg and an exec from this firm saw our stuff and invited us down to talk. This’ll be our sixth year. The beer is good and they gave me a nice bike, too. I like working for them.</p>
<p>Then there’s Henry. Since Henry got copyright religion a few weeks back he’s been hectoring me here about history and my personal greed, and demanding I do my homework on law that is the basis of agreements I’ve actually been drafting and enforcing since about the time he was born. Henry won’t actually tell us about his career or where he invests the majority of his time each week and how this makes him the P2Pnet copyright expert. </p>
<p>Truth is, for weeks now Henry has been parroting the dogma of one Karl Fogel, a narrow-minded messiah dedicated to prying copyright from the hands of creators for the betterment of humankind. Nevermind that Fogel takes fees lecturing at universities and also cash advances from publishers for his “Creative Commons” licensed books. In Fogel’s world he’s entitled to the revenue stream his work produces but we’re not. Henry’s been channeling Fogel all along, in fact the only original thoughts Henry has offered here so far are his liquidy shit comment and referencing Mitch Bainwol’s semen. Everything else&#8211;virtually everything beginning all the way back at the Statute of Anne&#8211;is a direct lift from Fogel, all without one single word of proper attribution. Naturally. That’s how Henry Ermich “thinks”.</p>
<p>So Meegan is off to LA and I’m at the music seminar next week and Henry sits and sputters, fuming in his small town/backwoods fury while channeling filesharings’ version of L. Ron Hubbard in his own private little IP-Church-of-Scientology.</p>
<p>We all live the lives we earn for ourselves, Henry, and you are quite right to stay in Pennsylvania. We both started there, true, but I got out and I thank my lucky stars I’m not you. You couldn’t carry Meegan’s briefcase, and your rebel-without-a-clue school of “thinking” would land you back on the bus in a heartbeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Ermich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-822722</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Ermich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam:
   No, &quot;We&quot; didn&#039;t create it -- the Statute of Anne did (but then again, I forgot -- history is meaningless, and we should all &quot;stay in the reality of the moment&quot;.  Not to mention that you counseled me in an earlier post that I should stop advocating for what &quot;should&quot; be.  Funny how hypocrisy works:  your RIAA buddies have been lobbying for what they believe &quot;should&quot; be, in the field of IP law -- ever longer copyright terms coupled with ever more repressive and intrusive legislation.

   I can, however, understand why you&#039;d say &quot;alas&quot; in this regard.  After all, you&#039;ve stated that the expiration of your copyright term will &quot;take&quot; from your daughter.  I&#039;m not going to rehash this topic, however, since you&#039;ll just dodge the questions put to you again.  I&#039;ll let the &quot;skynet&quot; guy waste time on you, because quite frankly, I&#039;m bored with you, now.

   You still didn&#039;t say anything in regard to my offer, btw.  That&#039;s kinda telling in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam:<br />
   No, &#8220;We&#8221; didn&#8217;t create it &#8212; the Statute of Anne did (but then again, I forgot &#8212; history is meaningless, and we should all &#8220;stay in the reality of the moment&#8221;.  Not to mention that you counseled me in an earlier post that I should stop advocating for what &#8220;should&#8221; be.  Funny how hypocrisy works:  your RIAA buddies have been lobbying for what they believe &#8220;should&#8221; be, in the field of IP law &#8212; ever longer copyright terms coupled with ever more repressive and intrusive legislation.</p>
<p>   I can, however, understand why you&#8217;d say &#8220;alas&#8221; in this regard.  After all, you&#8217;ve stated that the expiration of your copyright term will &#8220;take&#8221; from your daughter.  I&#8217;m not going to rehash this topic, however, since you&#8217;ll just dodge the questions put to you again.  I&#8217;ll let the &#8220;skynet&#8221; guy waste time on you, because quite frankly, I&#8217;m bored with you, now.</p>
<p>   You still didn&#8217;t say anything in regard to my offer, btw.  That&#8217;s kinda telling in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-822615</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now he&#039;s posting in other threads, calling himself Freeman, being all nice and
cooperative, for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now he&#8217;s posting in other threads, calling himself Freeman, being all nice and<br />
cooperative, for now.</p>
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		<title>By: T.O. Pirate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-822501</link>
		<dc:creator>T.O. Pirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I do pay for &quot;stuff&quot; every time I buy recordable media.  I&#039;ve been paying for the right to download and copy for free since the 1970&#039;s.  The CRIA wants to make downloading &quot;illegal&quot;, I want a refund for every blank tape and CD I purchased in the last 3 decades!

Think we&#039;re both out of luck.

As for this &quot;Freethinker&quot; nutjob- get out of your mother&#039;s basement and find a girlfriend, for goodness sake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I do pay for &#8220;stuff&#8221; every time I buy recordable media.  I&#8217;ve been paying for the right to download and copy for free since the 1970&#8217;s.  The CRIA wants to make downloading &#8220;illegal&#8221;, I want a refund for every blank tape and CD I purchased in the last 3 decades!</p>
<p>Think we&#8217;re both out of luck.</p>
<p>As for this &#8220;Freethinker&#8221; nutjob- get out of your mother&#8217;s basement and find a girlfriend, for goodness sake!</p>
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		<title>By: John Mccain Owns SKYNET</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-822446</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mccain Owns SKYNET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um no,I pay For my stuff I buy. I&#039;ll admit  the second I sampled SNK vs Capcom Pro for the PS1 ,I bought it two weeks later(Yes the actual game).You are kinda like bunching everyone including the good people up and calling them all liars and thieves. I AM not a liar OR a thief,I pay for the stuff I sample thus is why I imported my Saturn, Dreamcast, Famicom,etc..  I bought them all with MY paycheck. You must have got some ideaology from metallica cause you are grouping everyone in the same batch.

I get what I pay from and I have.

-John MCCain Owns SKYNET</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um no,I pay For my stuff I buy. I&#8217;ll admit  the second I sampled SNK vs Capcom Pro for the PS1 ,I bought it two weeks later(Yes the actual game).You are kinda like bunching everyone including the good people up and calling them all liars and thieves. I AM not a liar OR a thief,I pay for the stuff I sample thus is why I imported my Saturn, Dreamcast, Famicom,etc..  I bought them all with MY paycheck. You must have got some ideaology from metallica cause you are grouping everyone in the same batch.</p>
<p>I get what I pay from and I have.</p>
<p>-John MCCain Owns SKYNET</p>
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		<title>By: Sam I Am</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-822397</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam I Am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wha?

I&#039;m not &quot;giving up my liberty&quot;, John, and I defend yours right up to the point where you feel at liberty to take our stuff without paying for it. I&#039;m not giving up our IP, either--- we created it--- so not until the law says we must. Then it&#039;s gone. Alas. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wha?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not &#8220;giving up my liberty&#8221;, John, and I defend yours right up to the point where you feel at liberty to take our stuff without paying for it. I&#8217;m not giving up our IP, either&#8212; we created it&#8212; so not until the law says we must. Then it&#8217;s gone. Alas. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Mccain Owns SKYNET</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-822382</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mccain Owns SKYNET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sa I Am Said: &quot;People should be unfettered in their freedoms to give or sell as they choose in a free business culture. Give if you want. Sell if you want. SIG, do you get a paycheck each week? Maybe you really Do give it all away. I don’t know.&quot;

Shall i recite Something from Ben Franklin which MAFIAA and closed minded ppl Seem to forget:
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin

If you ,yes YOU gave up your liberty ,You deserve Neither. I&#039;m sick off of &quot;OH P2P is destroying Everything and the sky is falling and other nonsence&quot; ,it is stupid.By the way... IF a DRM law got passed and everything got DRM&#039;d then YOU&#039;D suffer as well cause NOT one person can be above the law(includes MAFIAA and politicians,etc..).Once a person makes a stupid law it&#039;ll come back to bite them in the @$$.

- John MCCain Owns SKYNET</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sa I Am Said: &#8220;People should be unfettered in their freedoms to give or sell as they choose in a free business culture. Give if you want. Sell if you want. SIG, do you get a paycheck each week? Maybe you really Do give it all away. I don’t know.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shall i recite Something from Ben Franklin which MAFIAA and closed minded ppl Seem to forget:<br />
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. &#8211; Ben Franklin</p>
<p>If you ,yes YOU gave up your liberty ,You deserve Neither. I&#8217;m sick off of &#8220;OH P2P is destroying Everything and the sky is falling and other nonsence&#8221; ,it is stupid.By the way&#8230; IF a DRM law got passed and everything got DRM&#8217;d then YOU&#8217;D suffer as well cause NOT one person can be above the law(includes MAFIAA and politicians,etc..).Once a person makes a stupid law it&#8217;ll come back to bite them in the @$$.</p>
<p>- John MCCain Owns SKYNET</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry in Detroit</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-822201</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry in Detroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is that comments should be germane to the article and ensuing conversation.  Ad hominem attacks, threats and personal attacks do not fit the category of serious adult communication.   Rather than deleting the turkeys, maybe a troll folder would be appropriate.  A placeholder can note the comment was moved to the troll folder and one can go read it if they absolutely feel the need to do so.  The reply has not been censored in the classic fashion.  It is still available; just politely ignored as a juvenile response in an otherwise adult conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that comments should be germane to the article and ensuing conversation.  Ad hominem attacks, threats and personal attacks do not fit the category of serious adult communication.   Rather than deleting the turkeys, maybe a troll folder would be appropriate.  A placeholder can note the comment was moved to the troll folder and one can go read it if they absolutely feel the need to do so.  The reply has not been censored in the classic fashion.  It is still available; just politely ignored as a juvenile response in an otherwise adult conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-822087</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ &quot;Anonymous free speech is a constitutionally protected right in the US. Corporations may not issue subpoenas to obtain the identities of anonymous posters just because they say that the corporation’s products suck.&quot;

I wish it was the same in Canada.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ &#8220;Anonymous free speech is a constitutionally protected right in the US. Corporations may not issue subpoenas to obtain the identities of anonymous posters just because they say that the corporation’s products suck.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wish it was the same in Canada.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Silly Ratfaced Git</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-821701</link>
		<dc:creator>Silly Ratfaced Git</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212#comment-821701</guid>
		<description>I think people are not understanding the Judge&#039;s ruling in the case posted by Name (optional).

The judge ruled that a person could not subpoena a web forum to get info that could lead to finding out the identity of an anonymous poster just because you don&#039;t like what they post.  If the post contains libelous statements or infringes copyright, then the complainant, on showing a reasonable liklyhood of success in their claims, could then subpoena the web forum.  Cases of libel are not easy to win in the US.  Easier in Canada and the UK.

Anonymous free speech is a constitutionally protected right in the US.  Corporations may not issue subpoenas to obtain the identities of anonymous posters just because they say that the corporation&#039;s products suck.  You hear that Microsoft?  Vista is beyond suck.

Even if US Law applied on Vancouver Island, and it doesn&#039;t, the Judge&#039;s ruling does not prevent Jon from deleting whatever he likes (or dislikes).

This ruling prevents me from subpoenaing Jon&#039;s web server logs in order to find out who Free Thinker or Sam I Am are.  No worries.  I didn&#039;t want to know anyway.

This makes one wonder why the RIAA gets these subpoenas issued so easily.  One would think that they should have to show that they have enough evidence to be successful in their action once they get the name of the defendant.  Instead, Judges have been issuing these subpoenas like jellybeans.  I&#039;m sure that if my copyrights were infringed, I&#039;d have a lot more trouble getting a subpoena than the Recording Industry Assholes of America are having.

IANAL.  This is not legal advice.  Consult a properly licensed attorney.  Blah Blah...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people are not understanding the Judge&#8217;s ruling in the case posted by Name (optional).</p>
<p>The judge ruled that a person could not subpoena a web forum to get info that could lead to finding out the identity of an anonymous poster just because you don&#8217;t like what they post.  If the post contains libelous statements or infringes copyright, then the complainant, on showing a reasonable liklyhood of success in their claims, could then subpoena the web forum.  Cases of libel are not easy to win in the US.  Easier in Canada and the UK.</p>
<p>Anonymous free speech is a constitutionally protected right in the US.  Corporations may not issue subpoenas to obtain the identities of anonymous posters just because they say that the corporation&#8217;s products suck.  You hear that Microsoft?  Vista is beyond suck.</p>
<p>Even if US Law applied on Vancouver Island, and it doesn&#8217;t, the Judge&#8217;s ruling does not prevent Jon from deleting whatever he likes (or dislikes).</p>
<p>This ruling prevents me from subpoenaing Jon&#8217;s web server logs in order to find out who Free Thinker or Sam I Am are.  No worries.  I didn&#8217;t want to know anyway.</p>
<p>This makes one wonder why the RIAA gets these subpoenas issued so easily.  One would think that they should have to show that they have enough evidence to be successful in their action once they get the name of the defendant.  Instead, Judges have been issuing these subpoenas like jellybeans.  I&#8217;m sure that if my copyrights were infringed, I&#8217;d have a lot more trouble getting a subpoena than the Recording Industry Assholes of America are having.</p>
<p>IANAL.  This is not legal advice.  Consult a properly licensed attorney.  Blah Blah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Irate Pirate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-821676</link>
		<dc:creator>Irate Pirate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymity can turn even the most well behaved level headed individual into a complete jackass.  A thick skin and the ability to ignore all the (many) idiots out there is a prerequisite when using the internet. This chump clearly has no life and I&#039;ll bet is the type of person that can&#039;t be happy unless everyone around him is miserable. It&#039;s actually pretty easy to spot and ignore them, but sadly some folks can&#039;t help themselves when baited into an argument they will obviously never ever win. Human nature and all that jazz.

I used to post as Reasonable Person and possibly a few other random names over the years that I can no longer remember. I&#039;ve recently settled on using Irate Pirate here and at a few other p2p related news sites, mainly so it&#039;s easier to keep track of my comments. I don&#039;t always agree 100% of the time with his views, but even so I would never bad mouth Jon or his site. Never have as far as I can remember. There aren&#039;t enough folks out there like him doing what needs to be done as it is. Anyways, just thought I&#039;d mention that if you ever see a post by one of my names that does so, then it isn&#039;t me and should be ignored/deleted. Moderation is a pain, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do in order to protect the greater good. Keep up the great work Jon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymity can turn even the most well behaved level headed individual into a complete jackass.  A thick skin and the ability to ignore all the (many) idiots out there is a prerequisite when using the internet. This chump clearly has no life and I&#8217;ll bet is the type of person that can&#8217;t be happy unless everyone around him is miserable. It&#8217;s actually pretty easy to spot and ignore them, but sadly some folks can&#8217;t help themselves when baited into an argument they will obviously never ever win. Human nature and all that jazz.</p>
<p>I used to post as Reasonable Person and possibly a few other random names over the years that I can no longer remember. I&#8217;ve recently settled on using Irate Pirate here and at a few other p2p related news sites, mainly so it&#8217;s easier to keep track of my comments. I don&#8217;t always agree 100% of the time with his views, but even so I would never bad mouth Jon or his site. Never have as far as I can remember. There aren&#8217;t enough folks out there like him doing what needs to be done as it is. Anyways, just thought I&#8217;d mention that if you ever see a post by one of my names that does so, then it isn&#8217;t me and should be ignored/deleted. Moderation is a pain, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do in order to protect the greater good. Keep up the great work Jon!</p>
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		<title>By: Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-821377</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I remember freedom means to do as you wish in the hopes of improving yourself and the life of others around you and without infringing on others in negative way. 

So what&#039;s your excuse &quot;Free Thinker&quot; &quot;RIAArep&quot; ?
Let me answer this for you and for everyone ===&gt; There Is None!
Your stats are crashing ... run away little boy, you&#039;re messing with elements you can&#039;t stop

The internet was given away for public use due to being insecure for USA DOD needs as a free distributed medium that no-one could control. As soon as this was done any and all exposed information became free for everyone. With server capable OS it made the internet and sharing more available to everyone. 
So whoever thinks they can lock it down is dreaming or highly delusional

You have a patent and it&#039;s posted? Anyone can build it for free or at their own expense.
You sell a product and one of us reverse engineers it? Too bad
You have a song that you wrote and it&#039;s disseminated? You better do more concerts to make your cash.
You have software which you have coded and you post it? Consider it gone and free for everyone
If you use respect you will be compensated as we can afford it. Anything outside of this and you&#039;re SOL

P2P? It started and it&#039;s not going to end, final answer ;)

You have a secret? OK and great
You tell it to someone? You&#039;re taking a chance
One of the two tells someone else? Guess what? IT&#039;S NOT A SECRET ANYMORE and free for everyone :P

You come hassle me and I will defend myself. And believe me I can defend myself very well. 
As some of my friends would say =&gt; &quot;you hurt me, my family or my friends needlessly and we will find you and rip your heart out, no matter which rock or hole you&#039;re hiding in, there is no fortress good enough to protect you&quot;
This is no joke =&gt; We have taken on bad cops, mafia, yakuza, triads, corporations, columbian drug dealers, rogue bikers, russian mob and many others. We have won every time!

Consider this your basic lesson in respect, internet use and everything ;)
Any questions? Go read this post again ... and again till you get it 

Enjoy :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I remember freedom means to do as you wish in the hopes of improving yourself and the life of others around you and without infringing on others in negative way. </p>
<p>So what&#8217;s your excuse &#8220;Free Thinker&#8221; &#8220;RIAArep&#8221; ?<br />
Let me answer this for you and for everyone ===&gt; There Is None!<br />
Your stats are crashing &#8230; run away little boy, you&#8217;re messing with elements you can&#8217;t stop</p>
<p>The internet was given away for public use due to being insecure for USA DOD needs as a free distributed medium that no-one could control. As soon as this was done any and all exposed information became free for everyone. With server capable OS it made the internet and sharing more available to everyone.<br />
So whoever thinks they can lock it down is dreaming or highly delusional</p>
<p>You have a patent and it&#8217;s posted? Anyone can build it for free or at their own expense.<br />
You sell a product and one of us reverse engineers it? Too bad<br />
You have a song that you wrote and it&#8217;s disseminated? You better do more concerts to make your cash.<br />
You have software which you have coded and you post it? Consider it gone and free for everyone<br />
If you use respect you will be compensated as we can afford it. Anything outside of this and you&#8217;re SOL</p>
<p>P2P? It started and it&#8217;s not going to end, final answer <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You have a secret? OK and great<br />
You tell it to someone? You&#8217;re taking a chance<br />
One of the two tells someone else? Guess what? IT&#8217;S NOT A SECRET ANYMORE and free for everyone <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You come hassle me and I will defend myself. And believe me I can defend myself very well.<br />
As some of my friends would say =&gt; &#8220;you hurt me, my family or my friends needlessly and we will find you and rip your heart out, no matter which rock or hole you&#8217;re hiding in, there is no fortress good enough to protect you&#8221;<br />
This is no joke =&gt; We have taken on bad cops, mafia, yakuza, triads, corporations, columbian drug dealers, rogue bikers, russian mob and many others. We have won every time!</p>
<p>Consider this your basic lesson in respect, internet use and everything <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Any questions? Go read this post again &#8230; and again till you get it </p>
<p>Enjoy <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Name (optional)</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212/comment-page-1#comment-821338</link>
		<dc:creator>Name (optional)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The last little bit in the California appeals I haven’t figured out is what part of Canada belongs to the U S?&quot; 

Given the recent U S elections and upcoming Canadian election, this should be easy to figure out: Alberta, it belongs to Jesusland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The last little bit in the California appeals I haven’t figured out is what part of Canada belongs to the U S?&#8221; </p>
<p>Given the recent U S elections and upcoming Canadian election, this should be easy to figure out: Alberta, it belongs to Jesusland.</p>
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