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		<title>By: an Arse</title>
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		<dc:creator>an Arse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Silly Ratfaced Git completely.

Everyone knows that if you give an RIAA member a penny; he&#039;ll demand 10 more.  Give him those; he&#039;ll demand $20.  Give him that; he&#039;ll always demand more.
The ISP tax levy will go to the CRIA and other publishing firms.  
1)  The publishing firms will claim to need to keep tabs as to which band is more popular to divide the money among.
2)  Once the publishing firms get the money, do you honestly believe they will give any to the content creators?
3)  If regardless of quality of music created, a person receives money, then people with no musical skill will only play more often under the tax levy.

It may not be &#039;work for hire&#039; in Canada, I don&#039;t know, but the &#039;work for hire&#039; tactics inside the United States will cause the RIAA to grab as much of the tax that they can get.

I don&#039;t know what the current laws of Canada are, but I doubt the &#039;tax&#039; will benefit musicians or fans at all.  It sounds to me like the tax will be created, but the CRIA and RIAA will complain that they need more and keep attacking people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Silly Ratfaced Git completely.</p>
<p>Everyone knows that if you give an RIAA member a penny; he&#8217;ll demand 10 more.  Give him those; he&#8217;ll demand $20.  Give him that; he&#8217;ll always demand more.<br />
The ISP tax levy will go to the CRIA and other publishing firms.<br />
1)  The publishing firms will claim to need to keep tabs as to which band is more popular to divide the money among.<br />
2)  Once the publishing firms get the money, do you honestly believe they will give any to the content creators?<br />
3)  If regardless of quality of music created, a person receives money, then people with no musical skill will only play more often under the tax levy.</p>
<p>It may not be &#8216;work for hire&#8217; in Canada, I don&#8217;t know, but the &#8216;work for hire&#8217; tactics inside the United States will cause the RIAA to grab as much of the tax that they can get.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the current laws of Canada are, but I doubt the &#8216;tax&#8217; will benefit musicians or fans at all.  It sounds to me like the tax will be created, but the CRIA and RIAA will complain that they need more and keep attacking people.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kchan DPI is useless and should never be advocated. and Fuck the big 4

@chronos The levy should be abolished.  If it isn&#039;t I want a cut.

@article michael geist 

 I&#039;ll gladfully endorse artists abroad in any media.  However an Isp tax will hit consumers and im sure as hell not paying more than what I already do for my throttled internet. Unless of course it gets any faster.  Ill download what I want when I want and if I get the chance to support the artist through purchasing, donations or distribution than I will.  I dont want more of my money in the hands of the organized crime syndicates known world wide RI** MP**  BS* ES*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kchan DPI is useless and should never be advocated. and Fuck the big 4</p>
<p>@chronos The levy should be abolished.  If it isn&#8217;t I want a cut.</p>
<p>@article michael geist </p>
<p> I&#8217;ll gladfully endorse artists abroad in any media.  However an Isp tax will hit consumers and im sure as hell not paying more than what I already do for my throttled internet. Unless of course it gets any faster.  Ill download what I want when I want and if I get the chance to support the artist through purchasing, donations or distribution than I will.  I dont want more of my money in the hands of the organized crime syndicates known world wide RI** MP**  BS* ES*</p>
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		<title>By: Silly Ratfaced Git</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17228/comment-page-1#comment-826812</link>
		<dc:creator>Silly Ratfaced Git</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong, but this appears to me to be a subsidy to old media, the same old media that generally demonstrates their cluelessness about new media.  I seriously doubt that new media pioneers, the ones that made the internet into what it now is, will see a penny from this &#039;tax&#039;.  Looks like more corporate welfare for old media to me.  I guess the government feels obligated to pay off the media sources that cooperate in self censoring stories embarrassing to the government.  Same old, same old.  

I wonder how much of this &#039;tax&#039; will actually go to content creators.  I mean the actual creators.  Most creators that work for old media in the US create content as &#039;work for hire&#039;.  Their employer owns the copyright.  Does this work similarly in Canada?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong, but this appears to me to be a subsidy to old media, the same old media that generally demonstrates their cluelessness about new media.  I seriously doubt that new media pioneers, the ones that made the internet into what it now is, will see a penny from this &#8216;tax&#8217;.  Looks like more corporate welfare for old media to me.  I guess the government feels obligated to pay off the media sources that cooperate in self censoring stories embarrassing to the government.  Same old, same old.  </p>
<p>I wonder how much of this &#8216;tax&#8217; will actually go to content creators.  I mean the actual creators.  Most creators that work for old media in the US create content as &#8216;work for hire&#8217;.  Their employer owns the copyright.  Does this work similarly in Canada?</p>
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		<title>By: kchan</title>
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		<dc:creator>kchan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If done right it could be a boon for everyone:

1. Big 4 + Hollywood gets paid (paid Caesar his dues) 
2. Canadian don&#039;t get sued.  (like the CD tax)
3. There has got to be a way to get some coins directly to the artist (Maybe Bell could use their DPI for the side of good and to keep track of download so Canadian artist gets paid directly?!)
4. If Canadian artist gets good at this web thing, maybe, just maybe the rest of the world would take notice.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If done right it could be a boon for everyone:</p>
<p>1. Big 4 + Hollywood gets paid (paid Caesar his dues)<br />
2. Canadian don&#8217;t get sued.  (like the CD tax)<br />
3. There has got to be a way to get some coins directly to the artist (Maybe Bell could use their DPI for the side of good and to keep track of download so Canadian artist gets paid directly?!)<br />
4. If Canadian artist gets good at this web thing, maybe, just maybe the rest of the world would take notice.  <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>introduce this money grabbing shit into the UK, AND I say goodbye internet forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>introduce this money grabbing shit into the UK, AND I say goodbye internet forever.</p>
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		<title>By: yuppers</title>
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		<dc:creator>yuppers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if I pay for it, I&#039;m gonna download it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if I pay for it, I&#8217;m gonna download it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rekrul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rekrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people are required to help support new media through their use of the internet, then that new media should be freely available to all internet users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people are required to help support new media through their use of the internet, then that new media should be freely available to all internet users.</p>
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		<title>By: chronoss</title>
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		<dc:creator>chronoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh&lt;br /&gt;
and ask anyone , ive asked 225 people if they would pay 5$ a month to go and download any where anytime the way they want&lt;br /&gt;
and all but one said no. then i tell of my idea that went into how the levy is collected and administered and then was about to get to how artists get paid and POOF my psiatica gives me the scare of a lifetime ( thought i was having a heart attack)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any how i proposed it and if it were done the way , we could also be getting into internet vote technology and perhaps get inventive and make a system that actually works that americans might want to buy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YES hackers might try and tamper but as time goes on the system could get more and more solid.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh<br />
and ask anyone , ive asked 225 people if they would pay 5$ a month to go and download any where anytime the way they want<br />
and all but one said no. then i tell of my idea that went into how the levy is collected and administered and then was about to get to how artists get paid and POOF my psiatica gives me the scare of a lifetime ( thought i was having a heart attack)</p>
<p>Any how i proposed it and if it were done the way , we could also be getting into internet vote technology and perhaps get inventive and make a system that actually works that americans might want to buy.</p>
<p>YES hackers might try and tamper but as time goes on the system could get more and more solid.</p>
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		<title>By: chronoss</title>
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		<dc:creator>chronoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1st off unless its doen the way i proposed at fair copyright for canada&lt;br /&gt;
ITS A SCAM.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and unless you get real people looking after this WE AINT BUYIN into it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not well and tired and have had enough of corporate canada and its bend over and take it form americans&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;SOFTWOOD LUMBER and the cdr levy are not getting artists cash.&lt;br /&gt;
unless it is mandated to get to artists SAY NO.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and remember that the current levy gets 60-70 mill/year&lt;br /&gt;
why on earth give JUST musicians 1000 million?&lt;br /&gt;
i say as in my counter proposal 50 cents = 90-100 mill&lt;br /&gt;
we can add 50 cents for tv and 50 cents for movies&lt;br /&gt;
and then have the people of canada vote via the internet each year for raising it.&lt;br /&gt;
Then artists have to really justify why they get all this cash&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ALSO when you think this isnt much, multiply it by 8 for the USA =720-800million&lt;br /&gt;
and&lt;br /&gt;
UK = double&lt;br /&gt;
and so on&lt;br /&gt;
it comes to billions and billions&lt;br /&gt;
for a distribution model that has me pay for distribution and all the levy does is pay compensation to the &quot;stakeholder&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st off unless its doen the way i proposed at fair copyright for canada<br />
ITS A SCAM.</p>
<p>and unless you get real people looking after this WE AINT BUYIN into it.</p>
<p>I am not well and tired and have had enough of corporate canada and its bend over and take it form americans</p>
<p>SOFTWOOD LUMBER and the cdr levy are not getting artists cash.<br />
unless it is mandated to get to artists SAY NO.</p>
<p>and remember that the current levy gets 60-70 mill/year<br />
why on earth give JUST musicians 1000 million?<br />
i say as in my counter proposal 50 cents = 90-100 mill<br />
we can add 50 cents for tv and 50 cents for movies<br />
and then have the people of canada vote via the internet each year for raising it.<br />
Then artists have to really justify why they get all this cash</p>
<p>ALSO when you think this isnt much, multiply it by 8 for the USA =720-800million<br />
and<br />
UK = double<br />
and so on<br />
it comes to billions and billions<br />
for a distribution model that has me pay for distribution and all the levy does is pay compensation to the &#8220;stakeholder&#8221;</p>
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