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		<title>By: artie</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17347/comment-page-1#comment-873619</link>
		<dc:creator>artie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a few things nobody seems to notice here ;-)

The movie industry has been trying to get the ISPs to throttle/kill P2P for years, they want their own issue of movie piracy to overrule all other concerns.  

The ISPs all told them to get lost, they weren&#039;t going to mess with that.  Too expensive, nothing in it for them except the ire of their customers.

Until US Comcast started doing it in 2007.  

We notice a pattern there, that we see again and again in this sudden &quot;traffic management crisis&quot;.  

They claimed it was to benefit customers, there was a network traffic crisis.  And curiously, they opened an online movie store... at the same time!

Now in Canada, ISPs are using the same technique, imported from the same US vendors.  Saying that it solves their traffic problem, even though they can&#039;t explain their problem, and don&#039;t know how the technology works to solve the problem.  

And ... you guessed it... opening online movie stores !

Connect the dots, the movie industry has found the incentive to get ISPs to throttle P2P.  

That&#039;s fraud folks...  They are selling their power to disable a service to me to a 3rd party who wants that service disabled.

It&#039;s not about traffic management.  Why does anybody humour the ISPs, by even talking on those terms?  

They are so sure the CRTC would be friendly or ineffective, they haven&#039;t even tried to make a case for it.

The FCC in the US has ruled the practice illegal.  The CRTC won&#039;t be able to drag feet on this forever, as long as there is a minimum public awareness in their face.  How about it folks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a few things nobody seems to notice here <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The movie industry has been trying to get the ISPs to throttle/kill P2P for years, they want their own issue of movie piracy to overrule all other concerns.  </p>
<p>The ISPs all told them to get lost, they weren&#8217;t going to mess with that.  Too expensive, nothing in it for them except the ire of their customers.</p>
<p>Until US Comcast started doing it in 2007.  </p>
<p>We notice a pattern there, that we see again and again in this sudden &#8220;traffic management crisis&#8221;.  </p>
<p>They claimed it was to benefit customers, there was a network traffic crisis.  And curiously, they opened an online movie store&#8230; at the same time!</p>
<p>Now in Canada, ISPs are using the same technique, imported from the same US vendors.  Saying that it solves their traffic problem, even though they can&#8217;t explain their problem, and don&#8217;t know how the technology works to solve the problem.  </p>
<p>And &#8230; you guessed it&#8230; opening online movie stores !</p>
<p>Connect the dots, the movie industry has found the incentive to get ISPs to throttle P2P.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s fraud folks&#8230;  They are selling their power to disable a service to me to a 3rd party who wants that service disabled.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about traffic management.  Why does anybody humour the ISPs, by even talking on those terms?  </p>
<p>They are so sure the CRTC would be friendly or ineffective, they haven&#8217;t even tried to make a case for it.</p>
<p>The FCC in the US has ruled the practice illegal.  The CRTC won&#8217;t be able to drag feet on this forever, as long as there is a minimum public awareness in their face.  How about it folks?</p>
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		<title>By: Suck(er)</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17347/comment-page-1#comment-854322</link>
		<dc:creator>Suck(er)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now let&#039;s all be mature and head on over to that new web page of theirs. At the bottom, you should see &quot;Did this page answer your question(s)?&quot; and three buttons below. Click no, and in the text field that appears go ahead and leave Bell a nice little love note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now let&#8217;s all be mature and head on over to that new web page of theirs. At the bottom, you should see &#8220;Did this page answer your question(s)?&#8221; and three buttons below. Click no, and in the text field that appears go ahead and leave Bell a nice little love note.</p>
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		<title>By: tinfoil</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17347/comment-page-1#comment-851116</link>
		<dc:creator>tinfoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is one of the many reasons that I am working with both my home town and my current town in building out a complete alternative to Bell which doesn&#039;t touch the Bell anywhere within the town limits. Ever hear of a town in rural Ontario with fibre to the home? If all goes as plan, you will soon enough.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the many reasons that I am working with both my home town and my current town in building out a complete alternative to Bell which doesn&#8217;t touch the Bell anywhere within the town limits. Ever hear of a town in rural Ontario with fibre to the home? If all goes as plan, you will soon enough.</p>
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		<title>By: chronoss</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17347/comment-page-1#comment-849010</link>
		<dc:creator>chronoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;proof they are lying&lt;br /&gt;
get up everyone next saturday and GO download&lt;br /&gt;
oddly no problems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW this smacks of the class action lawsuit they are getting sued over in both quebec and ontario&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;its admiting to wanting to lose both cases.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;can bell handle a few billion here and there while it tries to sell it self into 30+ billion more debt?&lt;br /&gt;
does england want to shell in 8+ billion to this mess now that it owns the bank of scotland?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So they also admit to breachng my privacy in order that the single seat on the bus they sold 20 tickets too&lt;br /&gt;
so they can make a few extra greedy dollars.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;heres another nice quote &quot;Bell is not going to honor your contract PERIOD&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
no reason just hey here screw you accpet it or not.&lt;br /&gt;
And if you dont expect them to try tackin on early termination fees anyways.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AND YES I AM TACING BELL CANADA november 1st&lt;br /&gt;
TO SMALL CLAIMS COURT&lt;br /&gt;
for 10,000$ for damages and pain and suffering.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also i will inform the RCMP of fraud,&lt;br /&gt;
the CCTS of such activities ( should nail up a few grand in costs to bell there )&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ENJOY YOU PATHETIC WORMS.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>proof they are lying<br />
get up everyone next saturday and GO download<br />
oddly no problems.</p>
<p>BTW this smacks of the class action lawsuit they are getting sued over in both quebec and ontario</p>
<p>its admiting to wanting to lose both cases.</p>
<p>can bell handle a few billion here and there while it tries to sell it self into 30+ billion more debt?<br />
does england want to shell in 8+ billion to this mess now that it owns the bank of scotland?</p>
<p>So they also admit to breachng my privacy in order that the single seat on the bus they sold 20 tickets too<br />
so they can make a few extra greedy dollars.</p>
<p>heres another nice quote &#8220;Bell is not going to honor your contract PERIOD&#8221;<br />
no reason just hey here screw you accpet it or not.<br />
And if you dont expect them to try tackin on early termination fees anyways.</p>
<p>AND YES I AM TACING BELL CANADA november 1st<br />
TO SMALL CLAIMS COURT<br />
for 10,000$ for damages and pain and suffering.</p>
<p>Also i will inform the RCMP of fraud,<br />
the CCTS of such activities ( should nail up a few grand in costs to bell there )</p>
<p>ENJOY YOU PATHETIC WORMS.</p>
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		<title>By: yupperoni</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17347/comment-page-1#comment-848527</link>
		<dc:creator>yupperoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reader&#039;s Write Says: 
… this is news?
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Well considering they have been throttling over a year and never said a thing to their customers, and only now put up some half-assed web page about it... Guess it is news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reader&#8217;s Write Says:<br />
… this is news?<br />
============<br />
Well considering they have been throttling over a year and never said a thing to their customers, and only now put up some half-assed web page about it&#8230; Guess it is news.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17347/comment-page-1#comment-848513</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>newsflash: its cheaper to post the information on your website and lead angry customers to it,  rather than try and explain the mischievous activities of DPI over the phone (to hundreds if not thousands of unimpressed customers)

 ... this is news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>newsflash: its cheaper to post the information on your website and lead angry customers to it,  rather than try and explain the mischievous activities of DPI over the phone (to hundreds if not thousands of unimpressed customers)</p>
<p> &#8230; this is news?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17347/comment-page-1#comment-847962</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ That &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; the original title, but it was too long to fit in the headline space available. ;)

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ That <i>was</i> the original title, but it was too long to fit in the headline space available. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: yes yes yessss</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17347/comment-page-1#comment-847950</link>
		<dc:creator>yes yes yessss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title of this story should be:
Bell Canada &quot;FINALLY&quot; admits using DPI to throttle traffic

Its been over a year and this is the first time they finally put something up on their website. 

Over a year later!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of this story should be:<br />
Bell Canada &#8220;FINALLY&#8221; admits using DPI to throttle traffic</p>
<p>Its been over a year and this is the first time they finally put something up on their website. </p>
<p>Over a year later!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17347/comment-page-1#comment-847716</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Broth(ER).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Broth(ER).</p>
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