Comments on: CRTC defends Bell Canada throttling decision http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651 p2pnet.net - reader powered Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:56:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Dave http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651/comment-page-1#comment-894213 Dave Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:25:02 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651#comment-894213 Bell didn't pay to build the network.. it was built with taxpayer dollars. That's what makes it so outrageous. Bell didn’t pay to build the network.. it was built with taxpayer dollars. That’s what makes it so outrageous.

]]> By: freeman http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651/comment-page-1#comment-889681 freeman Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:09:52 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651#comment-889681 @ D. Kadikoff Bell became a common carrier due to consolidation of many smaller telcos and became national. It added ISP services first as per being forced by common persons. Bell again added content as an afterthought and to boost their profits. With last part [content] they had no business doing so since last mile copper can't handle it. In actuality to put 3 services on last mile of copper leading to houses/homes is ludicrous in the first place. Therefore Bell must choose to create their own content provisioning network and not touch the phone and ISP parts as per rules of common carriers and as per these being vital services. They did it with satellite services but then that didn't work due to intermittent atmospheric interference. This is where the CRTC made a Big mistake and are liable. In same context the government is liable as well for supporting these telcos. Rogers has done similar with adding ISP services to cable then adding digital or HD TV. Running more than 2 services on same line will automatically cause problems as we obviously see today. A regular phone line can handle your phone services and high speed internet, that's it! By high speed i mean 25Mbps downloads and 12Mbps uploads. The problem is that Bell hasn't fixed most of the copper going to your home and to internet modem. Yet their excuse is that they can't fix it due to laws saying they can't come into your home and past main distribution box. This is hogwash since they Must provide a good connection right to internet modem. Meanwhile Bell is the one who created these rules so they can play with your cash. In actuality telcos promised in the 90's to upgrade their networks and deliver high speed [fiber] to every home by around 2000. Obviously they lied and now want to steal more money from us and gain more control over users by mentioning bogus excuses such as network congestion, bandwidth hogs, P2P, viruses, illegal content, hacking, nukes, etc. Anyone with half a brain that can put their history, track record and other pieces together to see right through their false [if not illegal] games. Any other spins you want debunked? The main point to all this is that we the users DEMAND very good unlimited service for cheap prices as promised by all major Canadian Telcos. Anything else is an outrage and considered as illegal and dishonorable due to ripping off customers. @ D. Kadikoff
Bell became a common carrier due to consolidation of many smaller telcos and became national. It added ISP services first as per being forced by common persons. Bell again added content as an afterthought and to boost their profits. With last part [content] they had no business doing so since last mile copper can’t handle it.

In actuality to put 3 services on last mile of copper leading to houses/homes is ludicrous in the first place. Therefore Bell must choose to create their own content provisioning network and not touch the phone and ISP parts as per rules of common carriers and as per these being vital services. They did it with satellite services but then that didn’t work due to intermittent atmospheric interference.

This is where the CRTC made a Big mistake and are liable. In same context the government is liable as well for supporting these telcos.

Rogers has done similar with adding ISP services to cable then adding digital or HD TV. Running more than 2 services on same line will automatically cause problems as we obviously see today.

A regular phone line can handle your phone services and high speed internet, that’s it! By high speed i mean 25Mbps downloads and 12Mbps uploads. The problem is that Bell hasn’t fixed most of the copper going to your home and to internet modem.

Yet their excuse is that they can’t fix it due to laws saying they can’t come into your home and past main distribution box. This is hogwash since they Must provide a good connection right to internet modem. Meanwhile Bell is the one who created these rules so they can play with your cash.

In actuality telcos promised in the 90’s to upgrade their networks and deliver high speed [fiber] to every home by around 2000. Obviously they lied and now want to steal more money from us and gain more control over users by mentioning bogus excuses such as network congestion, bandwidth hogs, P2P, viruses, illegal content, hacking, nukes, etc.

Anyone with half a brain that can put their history, track record and other pieces together to see right through their false [if not illegal] games. Any other spins you want debunked?

The main point to all this is that we the users DEMAND very good unlimited service for cheap prices as promised by all major Canadian Telcos. Anything else is an outrage and considered as illegal and dishonorable due to ripping off customers.

]]> By: D. Kadikoff http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651/comment-page-1#comment-889431 D. Kadikoff Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:15:54 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651#comment-889431 I think one of the things sorely missed throughout these discussions is the fact that Bell is a common carrier, retail ISP provider and also a content provider. It is against their interests to allow healthy competition and true Net Neutrality. I think that it is time for a decision to be made to force Bell to be a common carrier only and sell off the ISP and content provider aspects. It would then have the sole responsibility as a common carrier of providing the pipe, while allowing full open competition for independent ISPs, and content providers. I think one of the things sorely missed throughout these discussions is the fact that Bell is a common carrier, retail ISP provider and also a content provider. It is against their interests to allow healthy competition and true Net Neutrality. I think that it is time for a decision to be made to force Bell to be a common carrier only and sell off the ISP and content provider aspects. It would then have the sole responsibility as a common carrier of providing the pipe, while allowing full open competition for independent ISPs, and content providers.

]]> By: freeman http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651/comment-page-1#comment-889342 freeman Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:56:03 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651#comment-889342 @ An Analyst You are wrong! It is Canadians who paid for the network, Bell is just supposed to be the guardian. Again, users paid for any infrastructures installed by Bell. Therefore Bell or any company has to listen to their customers/users. In the 90's all Telcos were given massive funds by Canadians to expand OUR infrastructure and they [Telcos] instead pocketed the cash. And you expect that we the users pay again? If so, then you are dreaming and on the wrong planet. You can try your spin somewhere else. Furthermore, as "An Analyst" you should very well know there's been no congestion "what so ever" and Bell has lied. All of this is well documented all over the internet, explicitly on http://www.dslreports.com. CRTC is made up of ex Bell and Rogers employees and is in the pockets of large corporations due to their lobbying conservative government and their backroom deals. When you come up with ACTUAL proof to the contrary I'll be glad to see it and test it. And re-nationalizing all telecoms is a mighty good idea! :D Senior Network Admin @ An Analyst
You are wrong!
It is Canadians who paid for the network, Bell is just supposed to be the guardian.
Again, users paid for any infrastructures installed by Bell. Therefore Bell or any company has to listen to their customers/users.

In the 90’s all Telcos were given massive funds by Canadians to expand OUR infrastructure and they [Telcos] instead pocketed the cash. And you expect that we the users pay again?
If so, then you are dreaming and on the wrong planet. You can try your spin somewhere else.

Furthermore, as “An Analyst” you should very well know there’s been no congestion “what so ever” and Bell has lied. All of this is well documented all over the internet, explicitly on http://www.dslreports.com.

CRTC is made up of ex Bell and Rogers employees and is in the pockets of large corporations due to their lobbying conservative government and their backroom deals.

When you come up with ACTUAL proof to the contrary I’ll be glad to see it and test it.

And re-nationalizing all telecoms is a mighty good idea! :D

Senior Network Admin

]]> By: KChan http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651/comment-page-1#comment-889187 KChan Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:06:00 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651#comment-889187 CBC just change their story about Katz, on their site they just remove the bit about Katz working for Rogers Self Cencership!!!!! Shame! CBC just change their story about Katz, on their site they just remove the bit about Katz working for Rogers

Self Cencership!!!!! Shame!

]]> By: An Analyst http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651/comment-page-1#comment-889068 An Analyst Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:44:04 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651#comment-889068 You guys are going to have to get around to accepting that the one who pays to build the netwoek will do whatsoever they please with it. That is simply a fact of life. Attempting to change this will irrevocably damage future infrastructure investment, unless you folks seriously want the government to re-nationalize all telecoms. Bell can be obligated to treat small ISPs the "fairly", but management of traffic from individuals will be permissible. If CRTC tries to go the other way, watch BB prices soar, and speeds on cable/telco networks will drop. If you doubt it, go check out Comcast's and Time Warner's new "heavy user" BB pricing (in Texas for TW and Minnesota for Comcast, probably rolling out elsewhere too now.) Net neutrality has no future because it cannot fund itself, and funding matters a lot more today than it did just yesterday... You guys are going to have to get around to accepting that the one who pays to build the netwoek will do whatsoever they please with it. That is simply a fact of life. Attempting to change this will irrevocably damage future infrastructure investment, unless you folks seriously want the government to re-nationalize all telecoms. Bell can be obligated to treat small ISPs the “fairly”, but management of traffic from individuals will be permissible. If CRTC tries to go the other way, watch BB prices soar, and speeds on cable/telco networks will drop. If you doubt it, go check out Comcast’s and Time Warner’s new “heavy user” BB pricing (in Texas for TW and Minnesota for Comcast, probably rolling out elsewhere too now.) Net neutrality has no future because it cannot fund itself, and funding matters a lot more today than it did just yesterday…

]]> By: thenonconformer http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651/comment-page-1#comment-889046 thenonconformer Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:22:32 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17651#comment-889046 <p>The CRTC, “is being criticized for siding with big business and that it has definitely happened in this case,” said the CBC. Who can even deny, defy those criticisms? </p> <p>CRTC vice-chairman Leonard Katz (right), “who spent 17 years working for Rogers and 11 for Bell, is in the back pocket of Bell and not all Canadians it seems..</p> The CRTC, “is being criticized for siding with big business and that it has definitely happened in this case,” said the CBC. Who can even deny, defy those criticisms?

CRTC vice-chairman Leonard Katz (right), “who spent 17 years working for Rogers and 11 for Bell, is in the back pocket of Bell and not all Canadians it seems..

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