To p2pnet — ‘You’ll be sorry!’
p2pnet news view Freedom | P2P: “You a fucking washed out loser. You can not make a living in any other way except by running a site which says it is a new site that which is nothing but you shooting your mouth off.”
That’s part of several emails I found waiting for me following yesterday’s Trolls? Not. But flames? OK (mostly), a couple of them very obviously by the same person. And two were threats.
I also killed a few comment posts which were just personal attacks on me, one of them telling me I’d be sorry. For what? Running a blog?
And it’s all down to me saying I may not agree with what someone has to say, but I sincerely believe s/he should be allowed to say it in the way that suits him/her best.
I’ve given up trying to figure out why I keep p2pnet going. I’m sure as hell not getting rich. We have what we need, but we won’t be flying off for a couple of weeks in the Bahamas anytime soon.
But I believe the Net represents an historic communications breakthrough and I’m really excited, and proud, to be part of it.
Bottom line, p2pnet is a way for me to talk to people and to try to give my point of view on things I feel strongly about.
A lot of other people are doing exactly the same thing and collectively, we represent a voice which hasn’t been heard before.
I think the email I cited at the beginning means ‘news’ not ‘new’ site and I have indeed broken a handful of important (IMHO) news stories which have been picked up by the mainstream and ‘big’ online media.
But it’s just as much fun connecting —- there are a lot of very cool people online.
It’s a new exciting world and it’s rapidly becoming decentralised, to the shock and horror of the powers that used to be.
Not long after p2pnet went online, I ran a personal post slugged Big Music’s Goebbelogue. It centred mostly on the Big 4 (five, as they were then) record labels and suggested they’re devout followers of the teachings of Hitler propagandist Joseph Goebbels, whose theories of how to get people to believe black is white continue to serve Big Music, as well as Hollywood and the software industry, very well.
But Goebbels wouldn’t be able to make it in the 21st digital century where you and I are rapidly gaining control of how, where, when and by whom news, information and are distributed.
In another post, “A kind of an independent parallel communications portal has already developed,” I said, going on »»»
And it’s becoming mainstream. People tend to think of the music/movie file sharing thing as separate from ‘important’ world events. However, sooner or later, what’s happening with in this arena will also happen in other areas, and let’s not forget the studios and media outlets the entertainment industry owns, which is most of them, have tremendous influence over what people think and do around the world.
The establishment print and electronic media depend almost wholly on corporate advertising and the goodwill of governments and their many and various agencies to survive, which means the news and information they carry is often very badly skewed.
In the parallel universe, blogs and sites such as p2pnet carry the news and I think eventually, there’ll be a huge Blog-cum-Web Page Directory. It’ll have information categories people will use to find out what’s happening, where to find services and products, and so on. And it won’t be another kind of search engine.
Because thanks to the Net, for the first time in history, people can do more than wave banners, stage marches and write letters to the editor.
It’s called freedom of speech.
Last year I had a run-in with another critic, which I’m re-publishing below. Warning: It’s a bit long.
Cheers! And all the best. And thanks for letting me contribute my two cents.
Jon Newton – p2pnet
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Anyone can comment on p2pnet without disclosing his, her or its identity. That’s the way it’s been since Day One, and that’s the way it’ll always be. I don’t know where, or from whom, a comment post comes, and I don’t want to know.
It’s all about freedom of speech which to me is the most precious of all human rights.
Anyone who comes to p2pnet can, in a few seconds, find out I run it. It’s no secret here or anywhere else. I put my name where my mouth is.
Unnamed slag posts, or flames, are one thing. Detailed criticisms are another. They count for nothing unless the writers have the courage of their convictions, openly stating who they are. Authors’ credibility and the value of whatever they’re saying depends absolutely on their identifying themselves and their affiliations, if any.
On p2pnet and many other sites, ‘Anonymous coward’ is short for people who post without registering. Janie, who wrote the original p2pnet cms, included the phrase and I left it there. I don’t take it seriously and I don’t believe most comment posters do either.
However, once in a while ‘Anonymous Coward’ is apt and I think whoever posted the item below fits the bill. It comes in p2pnet’s final days? in which, as I say on the index page intro, “p2pnet has been hit with a massive loss of income – 80%, to be precise. If the site is to survive, the hole has somehow to be plugged and a host found. We’re looking for new funding, and a partner or collaborator. They say as one door closes, another opens. So now we’re looking for the door-knob
”
Is the poster associated with a corporate entertainment or software company? Who knows? And frankly, who cares? The cartels are big, they’re ugly and they’re dishonest and corrupt, meaning anything they say can immediately be dismissed out of hand. But the post raises points I’m going to address.
So >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anonymous Coward: Seems to me your troubles stem more from your inability to provide a product that has value, or be a journalist and your unwillingness to separate your “journalism” from your own biases and advertisers – that’s my opinion.
Jon Newton: Your opinion? Who are you? What’s your email address? Where do you live? Who do you work for?
Anonymous Coward: Slyck seems to be able to support itself.
Jon Newton: And more power to it. But what has Slyck to do with the price of eggs?
Anonymous Coward: Real journalists comply with the ethical code below – do you?
Jon Newton: You didn’t define ‘real journalists’ but I think I know what you mean. However, ‘real journalists’ are a dying breed, ‘real journalism’ is a dying trade and although the code you mention, which I’ve never seen before, reads well, these days, very few ‘real journalists’ (or the publications for which they work) subscribe or adhere to it, or anything like it.
Anonymous Coward: How can you justify not disclosing the identity and motivation of the European group that was so anxious to keep you alive?
Jon Newton: Have I tried to justify it and do I need to? As far as I’m concerned, they helped keep p2pnet online for six months, for which I thank them. But now, for reasons of their own to which I’m not privy, they’ve decided to withdraw the support. I’m sorry, but that’s the way things are and I’m grateful for the help they gave while they could.
Anonymous Coward: How can you justify not disclosing the advertiser that has kept you alive and the influences both have had upon your “work”.
Jon Newton: Is this a statements or a question? The lack of a question mark makes it hard to tell. Anyway, p2pnet’s advertisers are clearly identified, and always have been. And they have zero influence on me or what I write.
Anonymous Coward: How can you claim to be a journalist and have such clear biases against certain of the subjects of your so called “articles” and in favor of those who pay to keep you going.
Jon Newton: Again, is this a statements or a question? Firstly, these days I’m a blogger and, “Blogs often provide commentary or news on a particular subject, such as food, politics, or local news; some function as more personal online diaries,” says the Wikipedia. “A typical blog combines text, images, and links to other blogs, web pages, and other media related to its topic. The ability for readers to leave comments in an interactive format is an important part of many blogs. Most blogs are primarily textual although some focus on photographs (photoblog), sketchblog, videos (vlog), or audio (podcasting), and are part of a wider network of social media.”
On the other hand, a journalist is “a writer for newspapers and magazines,” and although I’ve been that too, it was a long time ago.
To myself, I’m someone who’s deeply offended by the bald-faced hypocrisy and dishonesty displayed, day in, day out, by the entertainment and software cartels, as well as by many, if not most, of the large, obscenely rich corporations which are doing their best to take over the web and subjugate its users so they can further enrich themselves. And thanks to the Net, I’m able to say so. I’m also terrified by the way in which the same corporations are penetrating our schools and poisoning the minds of our children. And I say so. I’m similarly disgusted with the way in which the administrations, politicians and enforcement agencies who supposedly exist to serve us in fact serve the cartels. And I say so.
I also include as many actual ‘news’ items as I can on subjects I hope will interest people who read p2pnet. I’d like to include more, but I’m only one person. Are the news posts biased? No more so than any similar reports in the mainstream media, many of which are barely disguised advertorials. And advertisers are mentioned only when it’s appropriate.
Anonymous Coward: Is it not telling that you do not have the quantity and quality of readers to attract sufficient advertizing to keep p2pnet going?
Jon Newton: To address the first part of this, you do not have the quantity and quality of readers, I may not have quantity, but I certainly have quality and for you to suggest otherwise is an unwarranted insult to them.
And on the second part, to attract sufficient advertizing to keep p2pnet going, I either ignore or turn down five or six requests a month. If I accepted them, I’d be a hell of a lot better off financially than I am now, but I’d be letting myself and p2pnet readers down. If I had to give odds on whether or not p2pnet is going to survive or go down, I’d says it’s 7-1 in my favour. In other words, p2pnet will keep going and one of the things I’ll do, and which I’ve been trying to do for at least two years, is have separate categories for posts. This will enable me to attract different kinds of ads. At the moment, everything goes into a giant archive which seriously limits p2pnet’s advertising potential.
Anonymous Coward: What does the survival of Slyck tell you about honesty, disclosure and market forces?
Jon Newton: Again, why drag Slyck into this? But since you have, neither Tom nor Ray seem to feel the need to go into detail on whom, or from where, they get their funding. And why should they? It’s their business and no one else’s. But it doesn’t matter because this is an absurd non-question. Slyck’s survival, or otherwise, has absolutely nothing to do with “honesty, disclosure and market forces,” or with p2pnet.
Anonymous Coward: I am really interested to receive your comments on how the disclosures in your article/sob story above allow you to claim compliance with the Canadian journalism code of ethics:
Jon Newton: I never have, and don’t now, claim compliance with the Canadian journalism code of ethics. As to my comments on it:
CEP Journalism Code of Ethics
(A code adopted on 17 December 2004 by the CEP, the Communications, Energy and Paperwork Union, one of the largest unions in Canada, formed in 1992 through a merger of three smaller unions)
Preamble
Journalists report, analyse, and comment on the facts that help their fellow citizens understand the world in which they live. Complete, accurate and diverse information and commentary are necessary for the proper functioning of democracy.
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms recognizes this by guaranteeing freedom of expression and freedom of the press. Journalists must defend the freedom of the press and the public’s right to information; they must fight any restrictions, pressures and threats that aim to limit the gathering and dissemination of information.
Facts and ideas that are in the public interest must circulate freely.
Our legal traditions give media privilege and protection. We must return this trust through the ethical practice of our craft. A free press should serve the public interest, not personal or specific interests. Serving the public interest must override any desire to favour the financial and competitive needs of news organizations or their parent companies.
The rights and responsibilities of a free press apply to both individual journalists and to news organizations that employ them.
Journalists must take their role very seriously. They must demand of themselves the same ethical qualities they demand of newsmakers; in other words, they cannot denounce other people’s conflicts of interest, and at the same time, accept their own.
This Code establishes the principles that should guide journalistic work in organizations where CEP collective agreements are in force. These principles lay the foundation for a journalist’s most precious asset: credibility.
Therefore, those of us engaged in journalism and newsroom management commit ourselves to: truth, honesty, fairness, independence and respect for the rights of others. To achieve these goals the following principles shall govern our activity in the collection and dissemination of news and opinion:
PRINCIPLES
1) We shall at all times defend the principle of the freedom of the press and other media in relation to the collection of information and the expression of comment and criticism.
I do that. Would that it were so in all on- and offline publications.
2) We shall strive to eliminate distortion, news suppression and censorship.
I do that.
3) We shall strive to ensure that the information disseminated is fair and accurate, avoiding the expression of comment and conjecture as established fact and falsification by distortion, selection or misrepresentation.
I do that.
4) We shall give an accurate account of what people say. Quotations, editing, sound effects, etc., and the sequence in which they are presented, must not distort the meaning of people’s words.
I must admit I don’t follow this to the letter. I sometimes over- or under emphasise statements from politicians, cartel and corporate leaders, and others, for effect and/or to lend weight to a point.
5) We shall rectify promptly any harmful inaccuracies, ensure that correction and apologies receive due prominence and afford the right of reply to persons criticized when the issue is of sufficient importance.
I do that exactly, promptly and prominently, unlike some on- and offline publications which deliberately bury corrections where no one can see them .
6) We shall give people or organizations that are publicly accused or criticized prompt opportunity to respond. We shall make a genuine and exhaustive effort to contact them. If they decline to comment we will say so.
That’s what p2pnet Reader’s Writes are for, among other things. Do I, “make … exhaustive effort to contact them”? Yes, when the situation truly calls for it, but No, when it comes to the cartels and their spokespeople. There’s no point.
7) We shall tell sources who are unfamiliar with the media that their remarks may be published or broadcast and thus communicated to a large group of people.
I do that and when they ask not to be identified, I honour their requests.
8 ) We shall obtain information, photographs and illustrations only by straightforward means. The use of other means can be justified only by over-riding considerations of the public interest. A journalist is entitled to exercise a personal conscientious objection to the use of such means.
I comply.
9) We shall ensure that photographs, graphics, sounds and images that are published or broadcast represent reality as accurately as possible. Artistic concerns shall not result in public deception. Edited images and photographs shall be identified as such.
p2pnet pix are often modified in the interests of satire, or to point up a situation. But they’re never meant to deceive and it’s highly unlikely they’ll be taken for anything other than what they are.
10) We shall always credit the originating news organization or reporter so that readers/viewers know the sources of their information.
I’m always at pains to comply.
11) We shall never plagiarize. If we use an exclusive piece of information that has just been published or broadcast by another media organization, we shall identify the source.
See above.
12) Subject to the justification by over-riding considerations of the public interest, we shall do nothing that entails intrusion into private grief and distress.
I fully agree and comply.
13) We shall respect everyone’s right to a fair trial. We shall respect the presumed innocence of everyone before the courts. When we have covered an incident where individuals have been incriminated and prosecuted, we will continue to follow the story as closely as possible, and ensure the public is informed of the end result.
I couldn’t agree more.
14) We shall identify sources of information, except when there is a clear and pressing reason to protect anonymity. When this happens, we will explain the need for anonymity.
I agree, which is one of the reasons I’m bring sued.
15) We shall endeavour to protect confidential sources of information, but since there are no shield laws protecting journalists in Canada we may be ordered by a court or judicial inquiry to divulge confidential sources upon threat of jail. Therefore we must convey that clearly to our sources.
I don’t “endeavour to,” I do. A source’s identity is to me sacrosanct and I would never reveal it, even under a court order.
16) We shall not accept bribes nor shall we allow other inducements to influence the performance of our journalistic duties.
Wouldn’t dream of it. Would that the same could be said of some mainstream media ‘journalists’.
17) We shall not lend ourselves to the distortion or suppression of the truth because of advertising or other considerations.
I agree.
18) Columnists shall be free to express their views, even when those views are contrary to the editorial views of their organization, as long as the content does not breach the law.
I agree.
19) We shall only mention a person’s age, ethnic background, colour, creed, illegitimacy, disability, marital status (or lack of it), gender or sexual orientation if this information is strictly relevant. We shall neither originate nor process material that encourages discrimination, ridicule, prejudice or hatred on any of the above-mentioned grounds.
I comply.
20) We shall not take private advantage of information gained in the course of our duties, before the information is public knowledge.
I agree.
21) We shall not use our positions to obtain any benefit or advantage in commercial transactions not available to the public.
I agree.
22) We shall not by way of statement, voice or appearance endorse by advertisement any commercial product or service save for the promotion of our own work or of the organization that employs us.
I agree.
23) We shall clearly identify infomercials so they are not in any way confused ‘ even by their layout’ with information.
I agree.
24) We shall cover events sponsored by our own organizations with the same rigor we apply to every other event.
n/a
25) We shall not act as police informers or as agents for any country’s security or intelligence services.
I agree.
Cheers! And thanks. And all the best …
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November 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Thanks for this. Sorry people don’t like your work as much as I do.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
“In other words, p2pnet will keep going and one of the things I’ll do, and which I’ve been trying to do for at least two years, is have separate categories for posts. This will enable me to attract different kinds of ads. At the moment, everything goes into a giant archive which seriously limits p2pnet’s advertising potential.”
I’m guessing that didn’t work out too well.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:28 pm
I have to say, you fed the troll quite well. Bravo, and I’m glad to see you stand up to criticisms the way you do. I’ve always enjoyed reading p2pnet, since it allows me to see the side of stories that the Lamescream media doesn’t pick up on or ignores outright.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Those that resorted to actual threats have indicated, positively, that
they’re not here to contribute.
They SHOULD be denied a forum.
Since this is a PRIVATE board, free speech has no bearing.
Those who keep harping on it obviously don’t understand the
concept OR the point.
It’s not censorship, it’s keeping the house poop free.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
” Since this is a PRIVATE board, free speech has no bearing.
Those who keep harping on it obviously don’t understand the
concept OR the point ”
Exactly.
Free speech means that they have to right to make their own little blog and call it
Jon and P2Pnet are TEH STOOPID or whatever else they want to call it, and say
waht they want THERE. I guarantee they won’t get the attention they crave tho.
That’s why they come here. It’s obvious to them that enough eyes come here to
give them the attention they seek. It’s sort of a complement I guess.
Still, if all they want to do is sling it, they should do it in their own place.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
What gets me is all the people who claim to be better than the trolls/flamers/Anon’s.
Its normally these people (non-anon) who flame and troll the most when their preshish comment is not agreed with by the others.
Anyhow, I’m an anon coward and thus a troll/flammer.
Please contiue your good work Jon.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I don’t know why you waste so much time and effort with these losers Jon. They are wasting your energy, time and resources.
You just need to give them one sentence which calls them a loser or the appropriate label, just to let them know and then don’t engage further afterwards, it’s that simple.
It takes 2 to argue, so if you take yourself out of the the equation, there is nothing left except a loser talking to himself!
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Jon, what are you doing right this moment?
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm
^^ That’s probably Paulus above. If not, let me know.
Anyhow, I was just talking to a friend at the other end of the country and in between, writing a piece of music using some new MIDI software. Very cool. p2pnet takes up so much of my time that I hardly ever get to do anything with music, these days. But I’m trying to fix that.
And checking here every once in a while.
I’ve just reconfigured my old laptop as my music station, so I’m not far away.
And Liz, my wife, and Emma, my daughter, are just finishing off some pancakes. So …………………..
Cheers!
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Tipical Aussie stament comming up here … tell him to go fuck him self
..
I injoy the site and vist every day to read some common sense for a change.
Hopfully some of the powers at be read this site for a public prospectos and not a
coprate one for a change . I tip my hat to you and this site peace out …
November 23rd, 2008 at 6:30 pm
A loser is a person who flings insults and harsh words at others, under the cover of anonymity.
It’s been my experience that people with integrity are not always rewarded by others for it, but I think knowing that you have lived according to your own standards can be a great source of satisfaction.
Thanks for all your hard work, Jon.
November 23rd, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Oh, by the way, are you saying that you did not have any pancakes? Only Liz and Emma had pancakes? Do you not like pancakes? What kind of strange person are you, anyways? (Please note tongue firmly planted in cheek.)
November 23rd, 2008 at 6:35 pm
No worries Dorothy — I HAD PANCAKES.
Six. heh.
With maple syrup (3) and blackberry jam (3) from local blackberries.
(Wipes residue off face
)
Cheers!
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Glad you got it out of your system.
You have a very good concept and website, now also take the time off to regenerate and soak up your surroundings.
Enjoy
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 pm
“I also killed a few comment posts which were just personal attacks on me, one of them telling me I’d be sorry. For what? Running a blog?”
That was for being an annoying prick that doesn’t listen to reason and censores at will. I put up my side of the argument and explained why I thought you are a hypocrite – and guess what, you deleted it each time I tried to post it! Proves my point, doesn’t it? In the same post, I
And to all those idiots that claim free speech is only about “posting on your own site”. That’s crap. The comments are relevant to the article being posted to, so of course they are posted here. DUH!!
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Sorry – I hit enter too soon.
“I also killed a few comment posts which were just personal attacks on me, one of them telling me I’d be sorry. For what? Running a blog?”
That was for being an annoying prick that doesn’t listen to reason and censores at will. If you had read it properly, you would see it wasn’t a mindless attack – you don’t have to agree with what I’m saying, but it’s my right to say it. I had put up my side of the argument and explained why I thought you are a hypocrite – and guess what, you deleted it each time I tried to post it! Proves my point, doesn’t it? If you only allow posts that agree with you, then what are you about? In the same post, I also complimented you on your overall work, in fairness.
And to all those idiots that claim free speech is only about “posting on your own site”. What crap. The comments are relevant to the article being posted to, so of course they are posted here. DUH!!
I’m sure this will get deleted too…
That must have been someone else you pissed off.
btw, I didn’t send you any hate emails.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:47 pm
In fact, I challenge to let me post it again and this time you try to actually address my points instead of deleting it.
Or are you too chicken to take some criticism?
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I challenge you.
Tell Jon your REAL name.
He knows mine.
or are you .. chicken
The tree falls and no one will be there to hear it.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:04 pm
” And to all those idiots that claim free speech is only about “posting on your own site”. What crap. The comments are relevant to the article being posted to, so of course they are posted here. DUH!! ”
Not crap at all.
It simply proves that you really DON’T understand the concept, or are in fact
willfully ignorant of it.
Ad-hominem ( personal attacks ) are never relevant to any topic.
They are never part of intelligent discourse, and are the last resort of the empty.
Gonna call me another name ?
ouchie that hurts ( ROFL )
It proves my point.
Create you’re own little litter box to poo in kitty.
I don’t think you have the brains for it.
Said all I have to say to you ( same jerk that is in the other thread, no surprises there ).
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Good point Dredd.
Jon knows alright – I used to email him a little while back. He knows my real name and I tried to reason with him. You didn’t see the post I put up yesterday. I made it quite clear who I was, while not giving my identity away to the general public.
Of course, he just chickened out by deleting it – obviously didn’t like me calling him a hypocrite on free speech and my explanation of why and few other points.
I’ve still got the original post and would be happy to show you, if there was a way.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:08 pm
@Hippie – lol you’re funny.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:13 pm
The previous post is just another example of how a troll is a clue-resistant animal whose only clear mission in life is to keep making noise (and here comes the key part)… as long as someone demonstrates the noise is being heard. It is the very nature of this creature to keep comin’ back, without any logical or rational incentive to do so.
Jon, I applaud your determination to keep p2pnet alive, despite the difficulties you must experience in narrowing your choice of support options. And, I applaud what you have already accomplished with the site.
If ever you find yourself having to abandon the p2pnet project, I certainly would not hold it against you, and I would still be grateful for the good you have brought to the internet, and to me.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 pm
I should add, that my pro big media posts were meant as parodies of the corrupt media cartels and really help to show them up in a very bad light. And yes, it’s quite funny when people don’t get the joke, but at the same time I’m just illustrating the true contempt those cartels have for us regular people. It’s quite dark humour and some people don’t get it and take it the wrong way, including Jon here, even when I explained all this at length to him. Shame really.
November 24th, 2008 at 2:26 am
Hey “P”,
eh, why the need to Email him with BS?
Why post BS in the forum?
Why post calling him a prick?
What are your motives? What are you trying to accomplish here?
P said:
“Of course, he just chickened out by deleting it – ”
“I’ve still got the original post and would be happy to show you, if there was a way.”
…So post it.
Jon, I think you should have a, “weekly threats” post. They’re fun (but if they go to far you should do “something”).
November 24th, 2008 at 4:49 am
Jokes or not,
Please be advised a copy of all you do on the internet is recorded somewhere. It is used by the “monarchy elite” as a personality profile by IP and any other info you provide, knowingly or not.
It is then used to weed out who’d be a trouble maker or not in their conquests. If you are deemed a trouble maker [treasonous] you go onto a list of being used as fertilizer, literally. If they can’t find this supposed trouble maker readily All persons at that IP may be used as fertilizer.
This is why I stay as anon, it is also why i used proxies and other means to hide my actual IP and location.
You might want to think about this each time you post.
here’s one of 1000’s of references:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6252798594172621795&ei=qFMqSfOIJIuE-wHjiuTqBg&q=illuminati+iii&hl=en&dur=3
also google video: The Sorcerers of Atlantis and learn [60 min]
Never fear, send it back to the elite ten fold or 100 fold
There, I just became the one of the biggest problems the elite have
November 24th, 2008 at 4:58 am
@Anon
“I’ve still got the original post and would be happy to show you, if there was a way.”
…So post it.”
I don’t think you’ve read my post properly – Jon kept deleting it. In it, I was certainly criticising him quite strongly, but *not* threatening him. Doesn’t look like he can take a bit of criticism really, frankly.
Also, did you see the article he put up about trolls a little while ago? He put up some of the messages we exchanged – carefully selected to bias in his favour. Shit, talk about washing your dirty clothes in public!
Then he started banning my username, denying me a voice when I tried to reply in my defence – yes, I can use a different username, but that’s not the point. This action sounds more like a totalitarian state than someone trying to promote free speech and power to the little guy, isn’t it?
I’ve suggested many times now to put up an easily clickable link for posting rules, but he doesn’t do that. Instead, he puts up whiney little articles claiming to want to allow free speech (but banning “trolls” of course) and continues to censor anything he finds a little inconvenient. Sound a bit like certain corrupt entities perhaps?
Bet he takes out this post and the others on this thread…
November 24th, 2008 at 6:55 am
I operate a sizable forum and face the decision of how to deal with those whos’s only motive it to seek attention and disrupt others daily, reading through some of the above posts I see the clear line being crossed when I read the following style of justification “its my right”.
This immediately sets off many alarms as the proclamation of this is a clear indicator that there is a firm belief “their” rights trump your own, obviously this is the wrong road to head down and such people using these words are often seen not to inform or help or even educate but to declare selfishly their own agendas using the platform you have worked hard to build as their place to make a stand.
I dont believe they are helping anyone but themselves and often all I remember about any specific case is whether they sought to help or hinder the topic under discussion.
The key indicator I look for is the one of intent, was their aim to bring something to the discussion table or merely to point out the supposed failings of the forum ?
Its my rule of thumb that senseless personal attacks have no real place on the net, on the other side of the coin solid evidence based rational posting of information has always been acceptable and lets be honest if we didnt like the flavour of Jons sauce that is thrown into the stories we would likely not be here.
Its a big world out there and we can all voice our opinions, but we must accept that in doing so in other peoples web spaces is not a right, we are all free to build our own platforms to pronounce from if we feel what we have to say is under reported.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:38 am
@ P:
Hi, Mikey. You’ve had your say. Again. As I said in the many, many emails when I explained to you in detail why I didn’t want RIAA rep and your other ‘parodies’ here, they weren’t funny: just juvenile and annoying – http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17212. And that hasn’t changed.
And for the nth time, you’re welcome to post when you have something worth reading. But that’s all.
End of story.
Cheers!
November 24th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
” @Anon
“I’ve still got the original post and would be happy to show you, if there was a way.”
Once again and for the last time.
there is a way.
You create and run your own website.
Then you can post whatever you want, anytime you want.
If you really feel the need to be hear that badly …
Do your own work, make your own site.
November 25th, 2008 at 12:07 am
@editor:
You claim this is your blog, yet you also claim this is a news site. But above you said it the best. It’s your opinion you are posting here. A News Site that argues one side of the truth does not belong on the front page, but instead belongs in the Editorial section.
I check this site occasionally, however, i find the way you format your articles to be highly annoying. As someone new to this site, it seems that you drive too off-topic in each “news post” that whatever point you were trying to achieve has become moot.
November 25th, 2008 at 11:04 am
heee heeeh heee
Look at that, another alt
November 25th, 2008 at 11:56 am
@ Adam
“You claim this is your blog, yet you also claim this is a news site. But above you said it the best. It’s your opinion you are posting here.”
look at the top fo the page dude. “p2pnet news view”. get it?