Will Dion and Layton oust Harper?
p2pnet news view | P2P | Politics:- Earlier today we ran an item suggesting the current Canadian Conservative government may be on its way out.
Again.
Replacing him? The Liberal’s Stephane Dion and the NDP’s Jack Layton.
Together.
Not that it’s the first time such a possibility has been mooted.
NDP leader Jack Layton, “won`t admit it, [Liberal Leader Stéphane] Dion won`t admit it, but I think their strategy has to be that, between the two of them, they have to have enough seats where they can challenge Harper on a non-confidence motion after the election, said Progressive Conservative supporter Henry Jacek, a professor of political science at Hamiltons McMaster University, in a Globe and Mail story.
“I think what he`s hoping is that he and Dion will make a deal and that they will put a joint motion together that, if they should win it, they would then form a coalition government with Dion as prime minister and Jack a deputy prime minister,” said Jacek.
Actually, “that mightn’t be too bad,” said p2pnet, going on:
“”Dion isn’t charismatic, but he’s certainly intelligent and thoughtful and to his credit, he doesn’t have the snake oil salesman overlay that’s so much a part of the George W. Harper persona.
“And Layton’s New Democrats really do seem to have a handle on what ordinary people who are, lest we forget, the ones who elect the government in the first place, looking for.”
Michelle in Muskoka, Ontario, might agree.
“I’m truly excited about the thought of a Liberal/NDP government,” she says in a Reader’s Write, going on »»»
I wonder if it will truly happen. I feel it is amazing facing our current economic crisis the Cons would even suggest demolishing financial support to Parties; CLEARLY a ploy here.
Harper knew [finance minister Jim] Flattery’s economic plan had no stimulus. He knew there was NO focus on the economy. I’m certain Harper was already aware he had lost confidence with the house of commons .
With all these obvious facts clearly Harper had thrown in removing party funding so he can paint the opposition as grabbing at tax payers monies. Good tactic.
AND why does that work here in Canada?? It works because we take little to NO iniative to know what is going on around us. Party funding if we think of it as “people” instead of “sheeple” we quickly understand removing it will NOT stimulate the economy.
Do we what a government that will play political games during such times??
A comment to all who believe a government should be voted in …
Well they are. If a coalition government were to be formed “Because the house of commons has lost confidence in the present government.
THE PROTOCOL is that the leading opposition would have the opportunity to form an alternative.
The opposition is aware of the deadlock â they understand the protocol.
Just because they get in office today doesn’t mean they are there forever.
Harper is definately a weasel â this man knows how government works! The fact that he’s going public “crying” about how parties should be voted in blah blah.
THIS MAN IS LEADING CANADA â HE HAS NO RIGHT GOING PUBLIC AND MAKING A MOCKERY OUT OF PROTOCOL. These are Canadian RULES.OPPS â Sorry Harper knows what he’s doing. He knows the protocol. He knows he can make the sheeple-people upset … involved.
No worries Con supporters. ONCE the Lib/NDP are in power shouldn’t be more than six months/year we will be at the polls again
“Do not believe everything a Politician says,” Michelle suggests, adding, “as I said Harper knows the rules; and let’s face it — three opposition parties the guy couldn’t even make friends with one!!”
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on its way out – You thought Stephen Harper was scary?, November 29, 2008
Globe and Mail – The NDP: a Liberal coalition?, October 4, 2008
p2pnet – Canadian Liberal / NDP government, October 9, 2008
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November 30th, 2008 at 3:28 am
Hurray
I voted for Dion, not because he was a great speaker and not because I can understand what he is saying
I voted for him because he wasn’t talking like a sales man and he is the opposite or president wanna be harper
November 30th, 2008 at 4:31 am
I voted for Harper’s Conservatives because Harper has a Master’s degree in economics – perfect for managing Canada’s position during an economic crisis. Dion is only a Sociologist, Layton doesn’t seem to understand that corporations actually employ most workers, and the Greens are irrelevant.
Dion can’t lead his own party – totally unfit for PM in any kind of coalition. Plus, the Conservatives have too many seats for a Liberal/NDP coalition to do anything. The NDP/Libs don’t have enough seats to form a majority without the Bloc. The Bloc are not a Federalist party, and are the complete opposite of Liberals on platforms like health care. NDPS are different from both of them too on almost all counts. Prime Minister Dion would last a week and we’d be going back to the polls before next spring.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:19 am
Id rather anybody but the conservatives in control Stephen harper gets his economic updates from his mother who just sits at home watches the news all day. As far as him having a masters degree in economics I dont know how true that is but he was certainly spreading the same lies as the republican party in the US. I recall “The fundamentals of our economy are strong” John Mccain, Stephen Harper, Jim Flaherty… singing the same tune.
November 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
If the present scene continues much longer, Canada’s fucked!
At a time when we desperately need a solid government, we’ve got a completely dysfunctional House.
Our politicians are doing nothing but wasting our money and publicly slandering each other, while corporate interests continue to burn our very Constitution with little or no obstruction.
My question here is, should Canadians remain “complacent” while yet another election is being forced, or should we, in fact, be insisting they ALL take the choice of knuckling down and getting to work or GET OUT!?? We really should have the option of replacing the entire House when it gets this childish.
In order to have a voice that will challenge the Corporate Machine’s agenda, we NEED a solid, established government.
Right now, we have NOTHING!
December 1st, 2008 at 2:24 am
@Devil’s Advocate
“while yet another election is being forced”
Ummm you may want to get with the program. There will be NO election. A majorty coalition take over is allowed and is what will happen.
Also, we shouldn’t be bailing out the automotive sector and other bullshit “economic stimulus” as they are planning.
Harper needs to go, and this is a perfect way out.
December 1st, 2008 at 2:44 am
I think the decision rests with the Governor General. If she thinks the government isn’t working, she can decide to call another election or allow a coalition government. All the Conservatives need to do is openly state that they are open to suggestions and recommendations from the opposition on an economic platform and stimulus packages. then the Governeor General has ZERO REASON to allow an opposition coalition government.
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:35 pm
“Ummm you may want to get with the program. There will be NO election…”
Even though a coalition of this type is not a common occurence in Canada, and that such a coalition needs to be sanctioned by the Governor General, you can state it will happen! (Well good for you!)
There’s nothing wrong with my grasp of “the program”, that’s for sure.
I stated we already have a condition of “dysfunctionality” in the House.
While, I’d probably be a lot more comfortable with the proposed coalition (I never wanted Harper in, that’s for sure), I still say, when you reach the state our government is in, “throwing out the whole lot of ‘em” may make more sense in the long run.
While I relish the thought of sending Harper out on his ass, along with the whole PC Party, Layton and Dion have both done their fair share of childish mudslinging, and have not demonstrated the appropriate level of intelligence to lead this country successfully either. I think they’ve all collectively shattered public confidence in the Canadian Governmental Process. Look how many didn’t vote.
December 6th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
I voted for Harper!!! The people of Canada voted for HARPER!!! NOT DION. This is frustrating and maddening! We are not russia we are a free country who is allowed to vote whom we want in. We have a choice in Canada unlike some other unfortuantes countries – we lost many people in a war to keep our freedom of whom to have in power. I hope Canada doesn’t take this in an easy going manner. We have the freedom to vote in whom we want, if the sore losers whom we Canadians decided cannot run our country are going to try to manipulate their way in I and many other Canadians will be very upset. Are we going to loose our freedom to vote from now on. I am truly upset over this!!! I think Harper is doing an excellent job, the economy is not good any where right now and Harper is keeping us from going under.
I don’t understand politics but to me this is a step closer to loosing our rights and a step closer to being a communist Country.