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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17745/comment-page-1#comment-966573</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. When has the RIAA (or their member companies) actually &quot;used&#039; p2p technology?
    They attempt to get anything they don&#039;t control banned.
     
2. &quot;Libberwhack Red-herring?&quot;
     What in the HELL does that even mean, genius?
     I mean, the companies comprising the RIAA and their sister organizations ARE &quot;multinational&quot; in scope, and they ARE corporations.  
     And as far as your disingenuous little &quot;I suppose they blew up the WTC&quot;/accusation of &quot;Freetardism&quot;: pull your head out of Bainwol&#039;s ass, M&#039;kay?  

    I stopped reading your idiotic &quot;response&quot; after the WTC thing, primarily because it just smacks of the type of strawman bullshit that IP apologists do.  Here&#039;s a tip: questioning Israel&#039;s policy toward the Palestinians does NOT equal &quot;anti-semitism&quot;, although that&#039;s the common strawman used to trump critics.

    The fact is, Mr. &quot;Guerilla Network&quot; associate (Gee whiz golly gee, the local Wal-Mart has a lot of &quot;associates&quot; too!):

     Read up on some  history: copy&quot;right&quot; was (mistakenly) created as a TEMPORARY monopoly (14 years) which -- like patents -- was INTENDED to expire, NOT intended for corporate megaliths to keep buying themselves extentions every twenty years.

    So pull your head out of Bainwol&#039;s ass (like I said).  P2p IS a &quot;wonderful thing&quot;, that&#039;s basically the ONLY thing you had right in your response.

   But hey, what does a &quot;freetard&quot; like myself know, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. When has the RIAA (or their member companies) actually &#8220;used&#8217; p2p technology?<br />
    They attempt to get anything they don&#8217;t control banned.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Libberwhack Red-herring?&#8221;<br />
     What in the HELL does that even mean, genius?<br />
     I mean, the companies comprising the RIAA and their sister organizations ARE &#8220;multinational&#8221; in scope, and they ARE corporations.<br />
     And as far as your disingenuous little &#8220;I suppose they blew up the WTC&#8221;/accusation of &#8220;Freetardism&#8221;: pull your head out of Bainwol&#8217;s ass, M&#8217;kay?  </p>
<p>    I stopped reading your idiotic &#8220;response&#8221; after the WTC thing, primarily because it just smacks of the type of strawman bullshit that IP apologists do.  Here&#8217;s a tip: questioning Israel&#8217;s policy toward the Palestinians does NOT equal &#8220;anti-semitism&#8221;, although that&#8217;s the common strawman used to trump critics.</p>
<p>    The fact is, Mr. &#8220;Guerilla Network&#8221; associate (Gee whiz golly gee, the local Wal-Mart has a lot of &#8220;associates&#8221; too!):</p>
<p>     Read up on some  history: copy&#8221;right&#8221; was (mistakenly) created as a TEMPORARY monopoly (14 years) which &#8212; like patents &#8212; was INTENDED to expire, NOT intended for corporate megaliths to keep buying themselves extentions every twenty years.</p>
<p>    So pull your head out of Bainwol&#8217;s ass (like I said).  P2p IS a &#8220;wonderful thing&#8221;, that&#8217;s basically the ONLY thing you had right in your response.</p>
<p>   But hey, what does a &#8220;freetard&#8221; like myself know, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: pipelineaudio</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17745/comment-page-1#comment-964035</link>
		<dc:creator>pipelineaudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case you want to accuse me of &quot;not understanding p2p issues&quot;, it shouldn&#039;t take too long in google to find that among my main associates is the creator of the gnutella network

I just want to inject some reality into this article. P2p is a good thing. It makes the seemingly impossible happen in real time. Just like I don&#039;t blame GM when someone gets run over by an idiot driving a camaro thru a red light, P2P itself is not to blame, but somehow tying P2P with freetardism is messed up.

&quot;The topic of IP (Intellectual Property) is extremely contentious; those defending the status quo&quot;

The status quo huh? Ignoring that the pro-IP rights side is happy to use new technology, embraces it and in fact creates it quite often right?

Or did you mean someone else?

&quot;(and the multinational corporations benefitting from it)&quot;

Libberwhack red-herring, I suppose the record companies blew up the WTC on 911 too right? Lets throw a few more in like big pharma and MMR causes autism while we&#039;re throwing out the canards


&quot;consistently misunderstand/misrepresent the concerns of their opponents.&quot;

Evidence?

&quot;They brand p2p users as “theives” who “just don’t want to pay for stuff”.&quot;

They who? I haven&#039;t seen any anti p2p behaviour from the pro- IP rights side. Oh do you mean calling someone who uses p2p to steal a thief? Yeah, those are thieves. Do you have another word for taking someone&#039;s stuff without their permission?

&quot;They usually find the “Public Domain” to be irrelevant,&quot;

evidence?

&quot;and sometimes explicitly regard the end of copyright terms to be “taking something” from them/their descendents.&quot;

You mean they expect those who they contracted with to live up to their end as well as they did? Hmm, terrible that

&quot;They expend a tremendous amount of effort to convince everyone that IP is ultimately about their “sacred right to property.”&quot;

Not quite as much as the time expended to convince everyone that IP is free for the taking...still working out who &quot;they &quot; is

&quot;Thus, advocates of p2p technology or “file-sharing” are placed at a tremendous disadvantage from the beginning.&quot;

hmmm, seems all the p2p sites are still up....evidence?

&quot;After all, almost nobody is willing to “call their bluff” and explicitly defend “piracy” or “lawbreaking”&quot;

Noone but Washington post, New york times, technorati, ars technica, hardware manufacturers, bandwidth providers, wired, etc etc etc etc

&quot;Also, until and unless a given law becomes problematic, people aren’t very likely to question it’s existence or neccesity. It’s not so much apathy as ignorance — most people simply don’t care about stuff until it becomes impossible not to take a stand.&quot;

No, they&#039;ll just go on ignoring the law, stealing and violating the wills of the content creator

&quot;Opponents of p2p technology (the RIAA, MPAA, etc.) have quite a problem on their hands.&quot;

Any evidence of this opposition. Lets see ONE SINGLE example of anti p2p behaviour by these groups when it wasn&#039;t directly in response to theft

&quot;By their own (possibly inflated) statements, p2p traffic accounts for a significant chunk of all Internet traffic&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case you want to accuse me of &#8220;not understanding p2p issues&#8221;, it shouldn&#8217;t take too long in google to find that among my main associates is the creator of the gnutella network</p>
<p>I just want to inject some reality into this article. P2p is a good thing. It makes the seemingly impossible happen in real time. Just like I don&#8217;t blame GM when someone gets run over by an idiot driving a camaro thru a red light, P2P itself is not to blame, but somehow tying P2P with freetardism is messed up.</p>
<p>&#8220;The topic of IP (Intellectual Property) is extremely contentious; those defending the status quo&#8221;</p>
<p>The status quo huh? Ignoring that the pro-IP rights side is happy to use new technology, embraces it and in fact creates it quite often right?</p>
<p>Or did you mean someone else?</p>
<p>&#8220;(and the multinational corporations benefitting from it)&#8221;</p>
<p>Libberwhack red-herring, I suppose the record companies blew up the WTC on 911 too right? Lets throw a few more in like big pharma and MMR causes autism while we&#8217;re throwing out the canards</p>
<p>&#8220;consistently misunderstand/misrepresent the concerns of their opponents.&#8221;</p>
<p>Evidence?</p>
<p>&#8220;They brand p2p users as “theives” who “just don’t want to pay for stuff”.&#8221;</p>
<p>They who? I haven&#8217;t seen any anti p2p behaviour from the pro- IP rights side. Oh do you mean calling someone who uses p2p to steal a thief? Yeah, those are thieves. Do you have another word for taking someone&#8217;s stuff without their permission?</p>
<p>&#8220;They usually find the “Public Domain” to be irrelevant,&#8221;</p>
<p>evidence?</p>
<p>&#8220;and sometimes explicitly regard the end of copyright terms to be “taking something” from them/their descendents.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean they expect those who they contracted with to live up to their end as well as they did? Hmm, terrible that</p>
<p>&#8220;They expend a tremendous amount of effort to convince everyone that IP is ultimately about their “sacred right to property.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite as much as the time expended to convince everyone that IP is free for the taking&#8230;still working out who &#8220;they &#8221; is</p>
<p>&#8220;Thus, advocates of p2p technology or “file-sharing” are placed at a tremendous disadvantage from the beginning.&#8221;</p>
<p>hmmm, seems all the p2p sites are still up&#8230;.evidence?</p>
<p>&#8220;After all, almost nobody is willing to “call their bluff” and explicitly defend “piracy” or “lawbreaking”&#8221;</p>
<p>Noone but Washington post, New york times, technorati, ars technica, hardware manufacturers, bandwidth providers, wired, etc etc etc etc</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, until and unless a given law becomes problematic, people aren’t very likely to question it’s existence or neccesity. It’s not so much apathy as ignorance — most people simply don’t care about stuff until it becomes impossible not to take a stand.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, they&#8217;ll just go on ignoring the law, stealing and violating the wills of the content creator</p>
<p>&#8220;Opponents of p2p technology (the RIAA, MPAA, etc.) have quite a problem on their hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any evidence of this opposition. Lets see ONE SINGLE example of anti p2p behaviour by these groups when it wasn&#8217;t directly in response to theft</p>
<p>&#8220;By their own (possibly inflated) statements, p2p traffic accounts for a significant chunk of all Internet traffic&#8221;</p>
<p>The sky is blue, imagine that</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17745/comment-page-1#comment-939286</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of Giants.”
Heh, talk to a calculus instructor.  I imagine any mathematics professor will tell you that he was making fun of the &quot;other&quot; inventor of calculus.  Newton was kind of upset that he published most of his best stuff after he died (yes I&#039;m poking fun), while Leibniz reinvented 99% of the wheel and went ahead and published before Newton.  The English and German speakers still argue over rather it was plagorism or just plain getting scooped.  The meaning could thus also mean he stole Newton&#039;s ideas, who just so happened to be a lot taller than Leibniz.  Both meanings can apply sometimes.

A good article, with lots of nice links.

Oh, here&#039;s a good article to read if you&#039;re interested the origin of that quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_and_Newton_calculus_controversy
Enjoy!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of Giants.”<br />
Heh, talk to a calculus instructor.  I imagine any mathematics professor will tell you that he was making fun of the &#8220;other&#8221; inventor of calculus.  Newton was kind of upset that he published most of his best stuff after he died (yes I&#8217;m poking fun), while Leibniz reinvented 99% of the wheel and went ahead and published before Newton.  The English and German speakers still argue over rather it was plagorism or just plain getting scooped.  The meaning could thus also mean he stole Newton&#8217;s ideas, who just so happened to be a lot taller than Leibniz.  Both meanings can apply sometimes.</p>
<p>A good article, with lots of nice links.</p>
<p>Oh, here&#8217;s a good article to read if you&#8217;re interested the origin of that quote:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_and_Newton_calculus_controversy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_and_Newton_calculus_controversy</a><br />
Enjoy!  <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17745/comment-page-1#comment-901467</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Dreddsnik.
There&#039;s nothing wrong with the writing, or the punctuation.
Quotation marks have certain purposes, and were used here appropriately.
If you don&#039;t see the sense in why they were used, it is not the writer that has a problem, in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Dreddsnik.<br />
There&#8217;s nothing wrong with the writing, or the punctuation.<br />
Quotation marks have certain purposes, and were used here appropriately.<br />
If you don&#8217;t see the sense in why they were used, it is not the writer that has a problem, in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17745/comment-page-1#comment-901346</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than attack the punctuation, why don&#039;t you counterpoint or comment on
the content of the article itself ?

I have no problems reading or understanding it.

Is there some specific point in the article you take issue with ?

Not everyone is a &#039;writer&#039;. 
Some just do the best they can, and Henry seems to have gotten his point across
just fine.

Again, is there something in the article you wish to discuss further or take issue with ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than attack the punctuation, why don&#8217;t you counterpoint or comment on<br />
the content of the article itself ?</p>
<p>I have no problems reading or understanding it.</p>
<p>Is there some specific point in the article you take issue with ?</p>
<p>Not everyone is a &#8216;writer&#8217;.<br />
Some just do the best they can, and Henry seems to have gotten his point across<br />
just fine.</p>
<p>Again, is there something in the article you wish to discuss further or take issue with ?</p>
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		<title>By: Mifty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mifty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For heaven&#039;s sake, kill those scare quotes! It makes a &quot;silly&quot; argument even less &quot;persuasive&quot; to when it is &quot;scattered&quot; all &quot;over&quot; with scare &quot;quotes.&quot; (It also makes it look like you have no idea what you&#039;re trying to say.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For heaven&#8217;s sake, kill those scare quotes! It makes a &#8220;silly&#8221; argument even less &#8220;persuasive&#8221; to when it is &#8220;scattered&#8221; all &#8220;over&#8221; with scare &#8220;quotes.&#8221; (It also makes it look like you have no idea what you&#8217;re trying to say.)</p>
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