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		<title>By: DigitalEquality</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17890/comment-page-1#comment-913419</link>
		<dc:creator>DigitalEquality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; âAnonymousâ has been using this type of technology for the last 3 years to âanonymouslyâ share âcopyrightedâ files VIA imageboards.
Give me please a link to the software used for hiding these files. I Googled, but nothing found about it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; âAnonymousâ has been using this type of technology for the last 3 years to âanonymouslyâ share âcopyrightedâ files VIA imageboards.<br />
Give me please a link to the software used for hiding these files. I Googled, but nothing found about it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DigitalEquality:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Anonymous&quot; has been using this type of technology for the last 3 years to &quot;anonymously&quot; share &quot;copyrighted&quot; files VIA imageboards.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For those few who dident have size-restrictions, we were able to download ~700-750 MB movies straight from an imageboard. No torrents. Nothing. And thats been used since late 2005. So theres an example for you.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>&#8220;Anonymous&#8221; has been using this type of technology for the last 3 years to &#8220;anonymously&#8221; share &#8220;copyrighted&#8221; files VIA imageboards.</p>
<p>For those few who dident have size-restrictions, we were able to download ~700-750 MB movies straight from an imageboard. No torrents. Nothing. And thats been used since late 2005. So theres an example for you.</p>
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		<title>By: DigitalEquality</title>
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		<dc:creator>DigitalEquality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; old news. this technology has been out for awhile =/
Digital steganography is not a new technology, but for anonymous file sharing it was used first time (can you tell me another app for steganographic file sharing?).  

&gt; Since when has the RIAA or MPAA analyzed the content of files being shared? They just go on the name of the file.
Even if they detect illegal file, they MUST PROVE that person who shared images knew about illicit file, otherwise they will lose the process.

&gt; This form of defence is only as strong as the person making it.
This defense is better for SEEDER, who cannot to know about illegal file (even if he want to know :) ), and of course for torrent tracker, who host images torrents. 

&gt; Should be 256 values if weâre talking 24-bit color.
Yes, 256 values for each channel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; old news. this technology has been out for awhile =/<br />
Digital steganography is not a new technology, but for anonymous file sharing it was used first time (can you tell me another app for steganographic file sharing?).  </p>
<p>&gt; Since when has the RIAA or MPAA analyzed the content of files being shared? They just go on the name of the file.<br />
Even if they detect illegal file, they MUST PROVE that person who shared images knew about illicit file, otherwise they will lose the process.</p>
<p>&gt; This form of defence is only as strong as the person making it.<br />
This defense is better for SEEDER, who cannot to know about illegal file (even if he want to know <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ), and of course for torrent tracker, who host images torrents. </p>
<p>&gt; Should be 256 values if weâre talking 24-bit color.<br />
Yes, 256 values for each channel.</p>
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		<title>By: free1</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17890/comment-page-1#comment-911691</link>
		<dc:creator>free1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this tech has been around for a while and applications were included, not this particular one though.
ppl use it on darknet all the time ;)

@ Reader&#039;s Write Says: December 15th, 2008 at 6:53 pm 
Only way to stop bad corporations is to license ALL of them as they were in the begging. This means they need to be reviewed and must reapply for license every year or loose it.
Why would anyone want to work for a destructive corporation is beyond me .. even if it gives to charities and other positive endeavors. It&#039;s like drug dealers or banks giving pennies to kids while they make billions. Drug dealers and banks are in the same boat and run by same ppl anyway. 

btw: 40% of Canadian corporations [all the good ones] have been sold or taken over by destructive ones. Thank you Canadian gov. 

glad someone coded an app for general public ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this tech has been around for a while and applications were included, not this particular one though.<br />
ppl use it on darknet all the time <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ Reader&#8217;s Write Says: December 15th, 2008 at 6:53 pm<br />
Only way to stop bad corporations is to license ALL of them as they were in the begging. This means they need to be reviewed and must reapply for license every year or loose it.<br />
Why would anyone want to work for a destructive corporation is beyond me .. even if it gives to charities and other positive endeavors. It&#8217;s like drug dealers or banks giving pennies to kids while they make billions. Drug dealers and banks are in the same boat and run by same ppl anyway. </p>
<p>btw: 40% of Canadian corporations [all the good ones] have been sold or taken over by destructive ones. Thank you Canadian gov. </p>
<p>glad someone coded an app for general public <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17890/comment-page-1#comment-911654</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With programs like PNGOUT, which improve compression of PNGs to optimal levels, it could accidentally undo the hiding of data. One would have to be careful which images were used.

&gt;If we consider just the blue there will be 28 different values of blue

Should be 256 values if we&#039;re talking 24-bit color.

Also, it won&#039;t be long before they make a version that hides data on video files, which is where the real potential for hiding data lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With programs like PNGOUT, which improve compression of PNGs to optimal levels, it could accidentally undo the hiding of data. One would have to be careful which images were used.</p>
<p>&gt;If we consider just the blue there will be 28 different values of blue</p>
<p>Should be 256 values if we&#8217;re talking 24-bit color.</p>
<p>Also, it won&#8217;t be long before they make a version that hides data on video files, which is where the real potential for hiding data lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17890/comment-page-1#comment-911653</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when has the RIAA or MPAA analyzed the content of files being shared? They just go on the name of the file.

This form of defence is only as strong as the person making it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when has the RIAA or MPAA analyzed the content of files being shared? They just go on the name of the file.</p>
<p>This form of defence is only as strong as the person making it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17890/comment-page-1#comment-911638</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha ha funny says: &quot;What gets me here is when is the las time you heard a corporation that is really big DO ANYTHING good for mankind.
Like earth shattering.&quot;

All the time, actually. Yes, the RIAA and MPAA can rot for all I care... but you are a fool if you paint all corporations with the same brush.
It&#039;s just that some big businesses are pretty good, and some are pretty bad. 

Nevermind the fact that a lot of us &quot;working folk&quot; depend on these corporations for employment and job security, sure people like to think that big business and banks are always investing in sports arenas and shopping centres instead of things like hospitals or whatever... but people don&#039;t really realize that they can&#039;t really build hospitals on their own, because we don&#039;t allow that in Canada.  A lot of big corporations do invest in other civic-minded things like charities, art galleries, schools etc. 

Hilariously, big business contributions to education often results in further criticism from people who have a problem with &quot;the man&quot; rather than realizing, &quot;Hey - these big evil corporations are pouring all kinds of money into our educational institutions and arts, and maybe they&#039;re not quite so bad after all.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha ha funny says: &#8220;What gets me here is when is the las time you heard a corporation that is really big DO ANYTHING good for mankind.<br />
Like earth shattering.&#8221;</p>
<p>All the time, actually. Yes, the RIAA and MPAA can rot for all I care&#8230; but you are a fool if you paint all corporations with the same brush.<br />
It&#8217;s just that some big businesses are pretty good, and some are pretty bad. </p>
<p>Nevermind the fact that a lot of us &#8220;working folk&#8221; depend on these corporations for employment and job security, sure people like to think that big business and banks are always investing in sports arenas and shopping centres instead of things like hospitals or whatever&#8230; but people don&#8217;t really realize that they can&#8217;t really build hospitals on their own, because we don&#8217;t allow that in Canada.  A lot of big corporations do invest in other civic-minded things like charities, art galleries, schools etc. </p>
<p>Hilariously, big business contributions to education often results in further criticism from people who have a problem with &#8220;the man&#8221; rather than realizing, &#8220;Hey &#8211; these big evil corporations are pouring all kinds of money into our educational institutions and arts, and maybe they&#8217;re not quite so bad after all.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17890/comment-page-1#comment-911615</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;this technology has been out for awhile&quot;

^^ It has. But this application hasn&#039;t.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;this technology has been out for awhile&#8221;</p>
<p>^^ It has. But this application hasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;old news. this technology has been out for awhile =/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>old news. this technology has been out for awhile =/</p>
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		<title>By: haha funny</title>
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		<dc:creator>haha funny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just throw an egg at everything that makes you angry

cause a food shortage and the global world corporate controled monopolies to die off

a revolution is coming and htey know it.

What gets me here is when is the las time you heard a corporation that is really big DO ANYTHING good for mankind.
Like earth shattering.
YOUDONT.
And if i were the leader lets say. I&#039;d make it so that once a compnay reaches X size it has to split into 2 parts.
That keeps competition and does somehting for mankind.
Think if your only one in a race , why bother running and being tired to get  to the end. Just meander to it visit people take time. You win already.

Mark my words in 20 years things are going to get out of there control if theyand you know WHOM THEY are dont start playing nice and this includes HOLLYWOOD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just throw an egg at everything that makes you angry</p>
<p>cause a food shortage and the global world corporate controled monopolies to die off</p>
<p>a revolution is coming and htey know it.</p>
<p>What gets me here is when is the las time you heard a corporation that is really big DO ANYTHING good for mankind.<br />
Like earth shattering.<br />
YOUDONT.<br />
And if i were the leader lets say. I&#8217;d make it so that once a compnay reaches X size it has to split into 2 parts.<br />
That keeps competition and does somehting for mankind.<br />
Think if your only one in a race , why bother running and being tired to get  to the end. Just meander to it visit people take time. You win already.</p>
<p>Mark my words in 20 years things are going to get out of there control if theyand you know WHOM THEY are dont start playing nice and this includes HOLLYWOOD</p>
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		<title>By: gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both the RIAA and Directv have sued people whom they knew were innocent. When an innocent person is sued it means that false information was provided the court.
While the person sued tries to report this false information given to the court, the court does nothing. Reporting to the Justice department as well goes no where. As a consequence, law enforcement has to be sent the message that there is no one above the laws. The next time you are a Juror or a witness, do just what Justice does in these cases, Ignore Justice. Jury nullification is a great way to give back just what Justice did to the innocent person who was sued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both the RIAA and Directv have sued people whom they knew were innocent. When an innocent person is sued it means that false information was provided the court.<br />
While the person sued tries to report this false information given to the court, the court does nothing. Reporting to the Justice department as well goes no where. As a consequence, law enforcement has to be sent the message that there is no one above the laws. The next time you are a Juror or a witness, do just what Justice does in these cases, Ignore Justice. Jury nullification is a great way to give back just what Justice did to the innocent person who was sued.</p>
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