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	<title>Comments on: Pay P2P file-sharing &#8216;fee&#8217;: RIAA plan for ISPs</title>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-918304</link>
		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see where this is going, the MAFIAA is going to try and use MediaSentry phony evidence to send a bill for payment of the &#039;offending&#039; copyrighted material, no proof needed, of course. First, notices to ISPs and just tack charges for all those &#039;other&#039; undefined files that must be copyrighted by &lt;i&gt;someone therefore we should get a cut.. somebody&#039;s getting paid, don&#039;t think this is above and beyond the prehistorical thinking that goes on in the music and movie industry. 

Everyone already pays a mp3 tax on every blank cd sold on the planet. They will try this too.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see where this is going, the MAFIAA is going to try and use MediaSentry phony evidence to send a bill for payment of the &#8216;offending&#8217; copyrighted material, no proof needed, of course. First, notices to ISPs and just tack charges for all those &#8216;other&#8217; undefined files that must be copyrighted by <i>someone therefore we should get a cut.. somebody&#8217;s getting paid, don&#8217;t think this is above and beyond the prehistorical thinking that goes on in the music and movie industry. </p>
<p>Everyone already pays a mp3 tax on every blank cd sold on the planet. They will try this too.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-917807</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>File a CCTS complaint?!?!
You gotta be fuckin&#039; kiddin&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>File a CCTS complaint?!?!<br />
You gotta be fuckin&#8217; kiddin&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: chronoss2009</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-917496</link>
		<dc:creator>chronoss2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. it owuld be funny as hell to see 5000 lawsuits against the CRIA in canada , instead of the other way around.
look good on them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. it owuld be funny as hell to see 5000 lawsuits against the CRIA in canada , instead of the other way around.<br />
look good on them</p>
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		<title>By: chronoss2009</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-917495</link>
		<dc:creator>chronoss2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually abuse like that you file a CCTS complaint and then should a &quot;slam&quot; have occured a moneytary judgement of up to 1000$ paid by the ISP to the consumer can happen.
This is why the RIAA and MPAA in canada will have a hard time at this.
YOU need proof beyond a reasonable doubt and if all your movements are encrypted then where is such a proof?

so, then the isp pays you and its cause they were told by the riaa, then the ISP can sue the RIAA to get that money back as a indirect cause.
IN fact there is a little known law that effectively goes like this.
the mac milk gets bad cheese form a delivery truck that didnt refrigerate it properly.
in old times you the consumer sue the mac milk then they sue the truck owner.
Well someone got smart and said if it can be found ot be the truck guy then JUST sue him.

That means the riaa/mpaa open them selves up to class action lawsuits of misrepresentation amongst a myriad of small claims actions 
which btw only cost you 75$ to initiate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually abuse like that you file a CCTS complaint and then should a &#8220;slam&#8221; have occured a moneytary judgement of up to 1000$ paid by the ISP to the consumer can happen.<br />
This is why the RIAA and MPAA in canada will have a hard time at this.<br />
YOU need proof beyond a reasonable doubt and if all your movements are encrypted then where is such a proof?</p>
<p>so, then the isp pays you and its cause they were told by the riaa, then the ISP can sue the RIAA to get that money back as a indirect cause.<br />
IN fact there is a little known law that effectively goes like this.<br />
the mac milk gets bad cheese form a delivery truck that didnt refrigerate it properly.<br />
in old times you the consumer sue the mac milk then they sue the truck owner.<br />
Well someone got smart and said if it can be found ot be the truck guy then JUST sue him.</p>
<p>That means the riaa/mpaa open them selves up to class action lawsuits of misrepresentation amongst a myriad of small claims actions<br />
which btw only cost you 75$ to initiate</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-917284</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if the RIAA wasn&#039;t so intrested in enlarging their bit and fat asses and wallets while others that can&#039;t sometimes afford to buy a decent cd from they&#039;re favorite bands &quot;probably&quot;  the prices on cd&#039;s and dvd&#039;s wouldn&#039;t be so expensive and then there wouldn&#039;t be a need of people having to resource to the web and the so-called piracy websites to get something.
i also blame the actual actors and songwriters from allowing them(RIAA) to receive a gross income on how many copies they sell toenlarge they&#039;re wealth.
FIGHT THE BASTARD PIGS WHO ARE GETTING RICH ON THE COSTS OF CD&#039;S AND DVD&#039;S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the RIAA wasn&#8217;t so intrested in enlarging their bit and fat asses and wallets while others that can&#8217;t sometimes afford to buy a decent cd from they&#8217;re favorite bands &#8220;probably&#8221;  the prices on cd&#8217;s and dvd&#8217;s wouldn&#8217;t be so expensive and then there wouldn&#8217;t be a need of people having to resource to the web and the so-called piracy websites to get something.<br />
i also blame the actual actors and songwriters from allowing them(RIAA) to receive a gross income on how many copies they sell toenlarge they&#8217;re wealth.<br />
FIGHT THE BASTARD PIGS WHO ARE GETTING RICH ON THE COSTS OF CD&#8217;S AND DVD&#8217;S</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-916902</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just lower your f**king prices you tossers. Also produce better music. Not rocket science really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just lower your f**king prices you tossers. Also produce better music. Not rocket science really.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-916867</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this in another thread, but I think it belongs here as well


Jon N ” And if you think you can willy-nilly cut off someone’s Internet service without a hearing, without due process, ”

That’s the key right there …

Due Process.

That’s what the RIAA are desperately trying to avoid.

If the ISP wrongly terminates your connection based on faulty or no evidence, then
who has to pay to initiate the suit ?

Why the customer of course.

This forces the customer to decide whether or not their meager resources are enough to
fight a multimillion dollar corporation ( the ISP ) with a large nest of highly paid
lawyers at their beck and call.

Sounds familiar.
Who thinks they can afford to fight ?

It’s a way to not only doge due process, but to shift the responsibility, the bill, and most important,
the BLAME to someone else.

Now who out there can afford to bring such a suit against an ISP ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this in another thread, but I think it belongs here as well</p>
<p>Jon N ” And if you think you can willy-nilly cut off someone’s Internet service without a hearing, without due process, ”</p>
<p>That’s the key right there …</p>
<p>Due Process.</p>
<p>That’s what the RIAA are desperately trying to avoid.</p>
<p>If the ISP wrongly terminates your connection based on faulty or no evidence, then<br />
who has to pay to initiate the suit ?</p>
<p>Why the customer of course.</p>
<p>This forces the customer to decide whether or not their meager resources are enough to<br />
fight a multimillion dollar corporation ( the ISP ) with a large nest of highly paid<br />
lawyers at their beck and call.</p>
<p>Sounds familiar.<br />
Who thinks they can afford to fight ?</p>
<p>It’s a way to not only doge due process, but to shift the responsibility, the bill, and most important,<br />
the BLAME to someone else.</p>
<p>Now who out there can afford to bring such a suit against an ISP ?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-916693</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will we soon be pulling everyone over to give them a ticket &#039;cus we know they&#039;re gonna speed anyway?

I create audio intellectual properties, upload them to an FTP site and they are downloaded by my clients who&#039;ve paid for their use. ...Are we all criminals? Why do I have to pay a tax to huge multi-national record conglomerates for the priviledge of conducting my business online?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will we soon be pulling everyone over to give them a ticket &#8216;cus we know they&#8217;re gonna speed anyway?</p>
<p>I create audio intellectual properties, upload them to an FTP site and they are downloaded by my clients who&#8217;ve paid for their use. &#8230;Are we all criminals? Why do I have to pay a tax to huge multi-national record conglomerates for the priviledge of conducting my business online?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-916657</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They changing plan from &quot;sue everyone&quot; to &quot;tax everyone&quot;. What they think they are??? Music dictatorship/kings/mafiaa or similar?? If they will have unique skills and nobody else could produce music than such action could succeed. But looking present situation and little bit ahead music monopoly industry is dead &#039;cause everyone else has enough skills to produce cheaply enough content material to fill hungry ipods up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They changing plan from &#8220;sue everyone&#8221; to &#8220;tax everyone&#8221;. What they think they are??? Music dictatorship/kings/mafiaa or similar?? If they will have unique skills and nobody else could produce music than such action could succeed. But looking present situation and little bit ahead music monopoly industry is dead &#8217;cause everyone else has enough skills to produce cheaply enough content material to fill hungry ipods up.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17953/comment-page-1#comment-916637</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like you say, same old same old</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like you say, same old same old</p>
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