CRTC throttling award ‘oppressive’ says CAIP
p2pnet news view Freedom | P2P:- “CAIP shouldn’t have to pay a thing. Not like they had a choice in going to the CRTC, and they themselves were a public interest group in this matter.”
That was a p2pnet reader’s response to the news that Bell Canada has been ordered by the CRTC to pick up most of the costs awarded to the Quebec Union des Consommateurs, Public Interest Advocacy Centre (PIAC) and Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC).
The total comes to almost $40,000, and CAIP (Canadian Association of Internet Providers) will have to pay 20%, the balance being the responsibility of Bell.
The CRTC )Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission) said CAIP’s contribution, “should be meaningful“.
Financially, the decision will mean absolutely nothing to Bell: the amount won’t even amount to pocket change.
But, “For a not-for-profit organization of CAIP’s size, $7,800 is beyond ‘meaningful,’ it’s oppressive,” CAIP chairman Tom Copeland (right) told p2pnet.
“If the Commission wanted to do something ‘meaningful’ they would have limited the longevity of Bell’s P2P throttling project or required Bell to provide a plan by which the need for long-term, network wide filtering on an intrusive basis would no longer be necessary.
“That would have been a meaningful action on the part of the Commission.”
The CRTC is to many intents and purposes been backing Bell in its efforts to shackle the accounts of its users, blaming people who use P2P file sharing applications forits ‘traffic management’ scheme.
“One of, if not the, most interesting revelations to emerge from the ongoing traffic throttling war between Bell Canada and its customers is the fact one of the CRTC`s top dogs, Leonard Katz, is an ex-very senior employee of both Bell Canada and Rogers,” noted p2pnet recently, going on:
“Nor was this a case of there today, gone tomorrow. After a long delay, the CRTC … denied the CAIP … demand that Bell Canada halt its traffic-shaping practices against its customers, users and smaller ISPs alike”.
Kazt spent 17 years working for Rogers, and 11 for Bell.
Stay tuned.
- , December , 2008
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December 24th, 2008 at 12:21 am
and throwing eggs at these people is looking better and better every day as all hti stlak aint geting us no where.
December 24th, 2008 at 2:07 am
Well chronoss, what should we do? Eggs? Bricks? It’s just the internet I guess; it was fun while it lasted. I’m not sure how far people are going to let themselves be pushed. In the end I think we may end up with a giant mesh that mostly bypasses these goons, or else a few rich people will pay for their own direct fiber connections outside of our incumbents and start their own ISPs. I think that those younger than me won’t stand for all this abuse.
December 24th, 2008 at 8:40 am
It calls for civil disobedience. There are a lot of legal ways to protest and annoy these bastards. Tempted to mail them a bag of shit myself..
December 24th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Len Katz’s work industry is an “interesting revelation”? Hello? This statement is moronic — it is not a revelation, it is an extremely well-known fact that was included in the press release when Katz was named its position. There is something distinctly dumb about thinking that the CRTC should be composed of people with no industry experience. What, did you think that he signed a blood oath or fealty to the CEO when he got hired at Bell Canada and Rogers? (If that reasoning had any basis in reality, it is hard to imagine he could have worked at Rogers, having worked at its chief competitor. Or did you think he was Bell’s super-secret double-agent spy at Rogers, perhaps?) Mind you, if you succumb to this kind of gutter thinking, it gets worse. Judges were once lawyers who defended people like murderers! Journalists who cover stories have their opinions! It’s a nutty world out there! In all seriousness, the way it works is pretty simple. You hire people who have good knowledge. You require them to, and presume they will, use it in an impartial and objective manner, no matter how much you are into conspiracy theories. Then yu judge their adherence to that presumption by their decisions and reasoning. Not by shadowy whispered tales of their (hello! obvious! everyone always knew!) work history.
The idiotarian talks about mailing bags of shit and calls everyone who disagrees him with an idiot. The non-idiotarian actually tries to do something about it. Not to discourage you from wallowing in eggs, bricks, or bags of shit, but if any of you have two brain cells to rub together, you might consider actually coming up with proposals to reform the CRTC. You know, figuring out what’s wrong, and how to fix it? The engineers among us might recall this approach. It’s called getting on with things.
December 24th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Ok I’ll take your bait Serge.
Let’s fire all of CRTC and start from scratch.
Hire previously fired but highly experienced service industry staff from each perspective field and see how well they are received by Telcos, government, lobbyists and of coarse rest of Canadians. Give them same powers or better as previous CRTC staff, with their main mandate of keeping Canadian’s communications for average Canadians. Give them also powers to take complaints from general public as priority. Add common law as rule and not corporate law. All meetings, calls and other communications to be taped, videotaped and publicly accessible at any time.
If it’s supposed to be our communications then let’s see it be ours. Give Canadians the veto powers to fire any CRTC member that’s not in Canadian’s best interests on the spot.
Happy now?
BTW: I think similar should be done to all government officials, police and corporations or anyone in position of power.
December 25th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Its well known and well documented that most of the CRTC top level staff are former high ups at the big communications companies.
If this doesn’t represent a shocking and reprehensible conflict of interest I don’t know what does. Its like putting Doctor Mengler in charge of an Israeli ante natal clinic!
December 25th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
re: Reader’s Write Says: December 25th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Yes, we know this … for the 1,000th time
Now to do something about it, something constructive!
And for all the ppl on net I haven’t seen any comprehensive ideas and plans besides comlaining to CRTC, silly petitions, partial complaining to MP’s and MPP’s or writing letters. Oh and one protest on Net Neutrality, 2 class action law suits and one of Jon’s good win’s. All this did is make the powers that be laugh at all of us.
This makes me think that almost all Canadians are all talk and no action.
So where’s the support, the ongoing protests, leaked info from Telcos, getting them where it hurts – in their pocket books and demands of the people and changes so they can’t get away with it again? We have seen what happens when we leave it to politicians to deal with … not much. Bell still throttles, uses DPI, abuses customers and over charges, and so does every large Telco.
Again, most Canadians are sleeping at the wheel. Shameful, that’s what it is!
There’s no plans to bring in most Canadians into it, no ongoing protests, no charges being laid on Bell and others on continuous basis, no demands. It’s like most Canadians are stoned out of their minds and want more punishment.
Instead what we have is shills coming on here and other sites squabbling about terminology and minor issues that don’t mean anything substantial.
What a waste.