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		<title>By: Serge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not anger, frustration.  The same people keep posting the same idiocy over and over again.  Perhaps it&#039;s time for reality-based thinking instead.  Fair and square is based on what you do, not who you are, free1.  

Who gave the CRTC the &quot;right&quot;?  Uh, you did.  We have these here laws.  Read the Broadcasting Act, Telecom Act, and the CRTC Act.  If you don&#039;t like them then you&#039;ll have to, you know, actually use your brain and figure out how to improve them.  Then tell someone.

But not only do I know why the CRTC was created, &quot;free&quot; 1 -- I also know that you can always take any decision to court if you have an actually-existing, principled basis on which to challenge it.  In fact, you can even sue for bias, if you can actually demonstrate some.  Or, alternatively, you can whine about how the decision must be wrong &#039;cause, durn it, the person who made the decision must surely be under someone else&#039;s mind control because they worked for a bunch of employers all of whom have opposing -- no, wait, concurring -- oh, um...  well, anyway, you &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt;, but it&#039;s, well, whiny, and it doesn&#039;t really pass any kind of rigour test except on think-alike Web forums.  Stil, seriously, do tell.  Is Sheridan Bell&#039;s flunky, or the CBC&#039;s, or the CRTC&#039;s, or whose, exactly?  And Len Katz, is he on Bell&#039;s side on on Rogers&#039; here?  It&#039;s all so terribly confusing.  Clear it up for us, will you?  Or is Bell the most powerfullest of the secret satanic banker Illuminati, bowling over all the other gotcha-affiliations in a single puff?

Free1, here&#039;s an idea.  Rather than sending me your bill, go build a network.  Or even a teensy little ISP.  Or, if you think Bell owes you something then, by all means, go sue them.  (Reported to RIAA?  Canadians?  Or &quot;spied&quot; on?  Can you remind me on what planet you live, again?  It ain&#039;t this one.)  Or, and here&#039;s a nutty one, download the decision -- any of them, really; there are five or so every day -- read it, and identify which parts they got wrong.  Using logic, not Illumnati analysis., mind you.  Or even, and now I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; going out on a limb, actually intervene in one of these processes by making a cogent argument, writing it down, and sending it in.  (Hint: cogent argument != &quot;you stupid bag of shit flunky, give me goodies now!&quot;.)  Our &quot;Nuke CRTC!&quot; friend merrily spinning falsehoods above would have done far better to actually respond to the New Media notice, &lt;a href=&quot;http://support.crtc.gc.ca/applicant/applicant.aspx?pn_ph_no=2008-11&amp;lang=E&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;just like 150-odd others did&lt;/a&gt;.  GIant guess here: he didn&#039;t.  Surprise.

By the way, Nukester, there&#039;s a pretty good response to Lessig &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/1423&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Worth reading.  If you can make your way through it, that is.  It&#039;s, you know, &lt;i&gt;hard&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not anger, frustration.  The same people keep posting the same idiocy over and over again.  Perhaps it&#8217;s time for reality-based thinking instead.  Fair and square is based on what you do, not who you are, free1.  </p>
<p>Who gave the CRTC the &#8220;right&#8221;?  Uh, you did.  We have these here laws.  Read the Broadcasting Act, Telecom Act, and the CRTC Act.  If you don&#8217;t like them then you&#8217;ll have to, you know, actually use your brain and figure out how to improve them.  Then tell someone.</p>
<p>But not only do I know why the CRTC was created, &#8220;free&#8221; 1 &#8212; I also know that you can always take any decision to court if you have an actually-existing, principled basis on which to challenge it.  In fact, you can even sue for bias, if you can actually demonstrate some.  Or, alternatively, you can whine about how the decision must be wrong &#8217;cause, durn it, the person who made the decision must surely be under someone else&#8217;s mind control because they worked for a bunch of employers all of whom have opposing &#8212; no, wait, concurring &#8212; oh, um&#8230;  well, anyway, you <i>can</i>, but it&#8217;s, well, whiny, and it doesn&#8217;t really pass any kind of rigour test except on think-alike Web forums.  Stil, seriously, do tell.  Is Sheridan Bell&#8217;s flunky, or the CBC&#8217;s, or the CRTC&#8217;s, or whose, exactly?  And Len Katz, is he on Bell&#8217;s side on on Rogers&#8217; here?  It&#8217;s all so terribly confusing.  Clear it up for us, will you?  Or is Bell the most powerfullest of the secret satanic banker Illuminati, bowling over all the other gotcha-affiliations in a single puff?</p>
<p>Free1, here&#8217;s an idea.  Rather than sending me your bill, go build a network.  Or even a teensy little ISP.  Or, if you think Bell owes you something then, by all means, go sue them.  (Reported to RIAA?  Canadians?  Or &#8220;spied&#8221; on?  Can you remind me on what planet you live, again?  It ain&#8217;t this one.)  Or, and here&#8217;s a nutty one, download the decision &#8212; any of them, really; there are five or so every day &#8212; read it, and identify which parts they got wrong.  Using logic, not Illumnati analysis., mind you.  Or even, and now I&#8217;m <i>really</i> going out on a limb, actually intervene in one of these processes by making a cogent argument, writing it down, and sending it in.  (Hint: cogent argument != &#8220;you stupid bag of shit flunky, give me goodies now!&#8221;.)  Our &#8220;Nuke CRTC!&#8221; friend merrily spinning falsehoods above would have done far better to actually respond to the New Media notice, <a href="http://support.crtc.gc.ca/applicant/applicant.aspx?pn_ph_no=2008-11&amp;lang=E" rel="nofollow">just like 150-odd others did</a>.  GIant guess here: he didn&#8217;t.  Surprise.</p>
<p>By the way, Nukester, there&#8217;s a pretty good response to Lessig <a href="http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/1423" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Worth reading.  If you can make your way through it, that is.  It&#8217;s, you know, <i>hard</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: free1</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17980/comment-page-1#comment-921663</link>
		<dc:creator>free1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I sense a bit of anger from Serge. 
Might it be that we&#039;re dealing with the same bag of snakes that operate the whole spectrum of officials? Sure seems this way.

Well, Serge seems to think that that it&#039;s OK to have employees bounce back and forth between CRTC, BELL, CBC, ROGERS and others and still be &quot;fair and square&quot;.

It&#039;s that &quot;fair and square&quot; part that&#039;s most disturbing since it implies Freemasons, Masons and most likely Illuminati. One of our favorite secret societies that seem to be connected to German Queen of Britain, bankers, satanic cult, New World Order and much more at it&#039;s higher levels.

But let&#039;s get back to our &quot;marry go around&quot; of office holders. Who gave these ex-corporate flunkies the rights to be on OUR CRTC board without permission? Who gave the CRTC the rights to hold back room meetings, lobbing and most likely making of deals? Are there not fully experienced human beings that can fill these positions in our interests without them being ex-corporate or government flunkies?

I say flunkies due the fact that they have a habit of bounding and traveling in the same circles and making decisions advantageous to corporations and government instead of Canadians. Maybe Serge is forgetting why the CRTC was created in the first place. 

I, as many Canadians, have not benefited from DPI, throttling, being spied on, reported to RIAA, wrongfully billed and much worse. As a matter of fact we have lost speeds, our cash, time, enjoyment and freedoms because of this bag of snakes called the Government, CRTC, BELL, and the rest of them. I&#039;ll be happy to send you my bill Serge so we can make it &quot;fair and square&quot;. 

It seems like their plan is and has been to lock down OUR Internet whether we like it or not. And I bet Serge will come back here and say this is some kind of fictitious dream I&#039;m having even though the evidence is clear and has been ever since Bell and others were given our hard earned cash to upgrade internet to fiber speeds for all Canadians back in the 90&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I sense a bit of anger from Serge.<br />
Might it be that we&#8217;re dealing with the same bag of snakes that operate the whole spectrum of officials? Sure seems this way.</p>
<p>Well, Serge seems to think that that it&#8217;s OK to have employees bounce back and forth between CRTC, BELL, CBC, ROGERS and others and still be &#8220;fair and square&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that &#8220;fair and square&#8221; part that&#8217;s most disturbing since it implies Freemasons, Masons and most likely Illuminati. One of our favorite secret societies that seem to be connected to German Queen of Britain, bankers, satanic cult, New World Order and much more at it&#8217;s higher levels.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s get back to our &#8220;marry go around&#8221; of office holders. Who gave these ex-corporate flunkies the rights to be on OUR CRTC board without permission? Who gave the CRTC the rights to hold back room meetings, lobbing and most likely making of deals? Are there not fully experienced human beings that can fill these positions in our interests without them being ex-corporate or government flunkies?</p>
<p>I say flunkies due the fact that they have a habit of bounding and traveling in the same circles and making decisions advantageous to corporations and government instead of Canadians. Maybe Serge is forgetting why the CRTC was created in the first place. </p>
<p>I, as many Canadians, have not benefited from DPI, throttling, being spied on, reported to RIAA, wrongfully billed and much worse. As a matter of fact we have lost speeds, our cash, time, enjoyment and freedoms because of this bag of snakes called the Government, CRTC, BELL, and the rest of them. I&#8217;ll be happy to send you my bill Serge so we can make it &#8220;fair and square&#8221;. </p>
<p>It seems like their plan is and has been to lock down OUR Internet whether we like it or not. And I bet Serge will come back here and say this is some kind of fictitious dream I&#8217;m having even though the evidence is clear and has been ever since Bell and others were given our hard earned cash to upgrade internet to fiber speeds for all Canadians back in the 90&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Serge</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17980/comment-page-1#comment-921430</link>
		<dc:creator>Serge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nuke&quot;:

1. Larry Lessig&#039;s call is good, but a bit misleading.  He&#039;s calling to abolish the FCC in order to create a whole new regulator.  Why not just fix the existing one?  Because that would be &quot;tinkering&quot;.  Uh, okay -- but, either way, he&#039;s calling for improved regulation.

2. On the New Media proceeding, seriously, what the heck are you blathering on about?  The CRTC hearing is not about &quot;censorship&quot; in anyone&#039;s mind but the most conspiratorial.  As to not being able to watch foreign TV, I don&#039;t know what planet you live in, but in this here Canada, we get ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CNN, PBS, and -- well, every single foreign TV network most folks can think of.  And the ones we don&#039;t have have nothing to do with the CRTC: they&#039;re not here because they couldn&#039;t strike a deal with a cable carrier or satellite company to carry them.

Still, I&#039;m curious.  I&#039;ve read through the CRTC&#039;s new media notice of public hearing.  The one you&#039;re blathering about.  (You know, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/eng/Hearings/2008/n2008-11.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;. O&lt;i&gt;only submissions from âimportant personsâ are accepted (read corporations)&lt;/i&gt;?  Really?  It&#039;s not like I&#039;d accuse you of just making stuff up.  But, really, I don&#039;t see that.  Want to tell us how you came up with it?

3. Oh, and Jon -- congratulations.  You&#039;ve now &quot;discovered&quot; that the previous employers of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081219.wscott1219/BNStory/robLawPage/home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ex-&lt;/a&gt;Commissioner of Competition include the CBC, CRTC, and Bell Canada, among other places.  As was stunningly obvious to, well, everyone.  But, by all means, do reveal more.  How did this influence her decisions?  What did she do that a less Bell-tainted Commissioner (for instance, previous Commissioners) wouldn&#039;t have done?  What didn&#039;t she do that a less shadowy, evil-influenced Commissioner would have done?  And how did all her previous ties colour her Bell experience?  Was she the CBC&#039;s secret agent at the CRTC, perhaps?  The CRTC&#039;s secret agent at Bell?  Maybe CBC&#039;s secret agent at the Competition Bureau?  Or maybe a super-secret double CBC agent at the Competition Bureau, fronting for a secret Bell and CBC tie-up all the while?  Once again, the mind reels.

And, of course, cluelessness reigns at P2Pnet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nuke&#8221;:</p>
<p>1. Larry Lessig&#8217;s call is good, but a bit misleading.  He&#8217;s calling to abolish the FCC in order to create a whole new regulator.  Why not just fix the existing one?  Because that would be &#8220;tinkering&#8221;.  Uh, okay &#8212; but, either way, he&#8217;s calling for improved regulation.</p>
<p>2. On the New Media proceeding, seriously, what the heck are you blathering on about?  The CRTC hearing is not about &#8220;censorship&#8221; in anyone&#8217;s mind but the most conspiratorial.  As to not being able to watch foreign TV, I don&#8217;t know what planet you live in, but in this here Canada, we get ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CNN, PBS, and &#8212; well, every single foreign TV network most folks can think of.  And the ones we don&#8217;t have have nothing to do with the CRTC: they&#8217;re not here because they couldn&#8217;t strike a deal with a cable carrier or satellite company to carry them.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m curious.  I&#8217;ve read through the CRTC&#8217;s new media notice of public hearing.  The one you&#8217;re blathering about.  (You know, <a href="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/eng/Hearings/2008/n2008-11.htm" rel="nofollow">this one</a>. O<i>only submissions from âimportant personsâ are accepted (read corporations)</i>?  Really?  It&#8217;s not like I&#8217;d accuse you of just making stuff up.  But, really, I don&#8217;t see that.  Want to tell us how you came up with it?</p>
<p>3. Oh, and Jon &#8212; congratulations.  You&#8217;ve now &#8220;discovered&#8221; that the previous employers of the <a href="http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081219.wscott1219/BNStory/robLawPage/home" rel="nofollow">ex-</a>Commissioner of Competition include the CBC, CRTC, and Bell Canada, among other places.  As was stunningly obvious to, well, everyone.  But, by all means, do reveal more.  How did this influence her decisions?  What did she do that a less Bell-tainted Commissioner (for instance, previous Commissioners) wouldn&#8217;t have done?  What didn&#8217;t she do that a less shadowy, evil-influenced Commissioner would have done?  And how did all her previous ties colour her Bell experience?  Was she the CBC&#8217;s secret agent at the CRTC, perhaps?  The CRTC&#8217;s secret agent at Bell?  Maybe CBC&#8217;s secret agent at the Competition Bureau?  Or maybe a super-secret double CBC agent at the Competition Bureau, fronting for a secret Bell and CBC tie-up all the while?  Once again, the mind reels.</p>
<p>And, of course, cluelessness reigns at P2Pnet.</p>
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		<title>By: Nuke CRTC too!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuke CRTC too!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawrence Lessig says it&#039;s time to nuke the FCC from orbit

The nation&#039;s leading writer on media and telecommunications law says it&#039;s time to get rid of the Federal Communications Commission, which he calls corrupt beyond repair.

...

The FCC&#039;s corruption has become a crucial problem, he says, because the agency is now charged with overseeing the Internet and all its future innovations. &quot;In the next decades, it could well become the default regulator for every new communications technology, including, and especially, fantastic new ways to use wireless technologies, which today carry television, radio, internet, and cellular phone signals through the air,&quot; Lessig notes.

What does he propose to replace the FCC with? An Innovation Environment Protection Agency (iEPA). &quot;Minimal intervention to maximize innovation,&quot; would be its founding motto. The iEPA would dedicate itself to defending innovators from &quot;excessive government favors, and excessive private monopoly power.&quot;

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081224-lawrence-lessig-says-its-time-to-nuke-the-fcc-from-orbit.html

And here, in Canada, the CRTC launched a &quot;new media&quot; consultation, which is about how to make censorship more pervasive and more efficient and force &quot;Canadian content&quot; - not on basis of meritocracy.

We can buy foreign magazines in Canada but we cannot watch foreign TV (read about the 2005 RCMP busts on suppliers of American satellite dishes who provided US addresses to Canadian residents)

Now CRTC launches a ânew media consulationâ, but from the reading of the description, only submissions from âimportant personsâ are accepted (read corporations). 

From the ânew media consultationâ description and mention of âCanadian contentâ, it is clear that this is about the best way to perform corporate censorship on the new media. After all, they do it on old media.

CRTC is about corporate control, protecting monopolies and forcing censorship. CRTC must be abolished, together with this American neoconservative government of Harper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence Lessig says it&#8217;s time to nuke the FCC from orbit</p>
<p>The nation&#8217;s leading writer on media and telecommunications law says it&#8217;s time to get rid of the Federal Communications Commission, which he calls corrupt beyond repair.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>The FCC&#8217;s corruption has become a crucial problem, he says, because the agency is now charged with overseeing the Internet and all its future innovations. &#8220;In the next decades, it could well become the default regulator for every new communications technology, including, and especially, fantastic new ways to use wireless technologies, which today carry television, radio, internet, and cellular phone signals through the air,&#8221; Lessig notes.</p>
<p>What does he propose to replace the FCC with? An Innovation Environment Protection Agency (iEPA). &#8220;Minimal intervention to maximize innovation,&#8221; would be its founding motto. The iEPA would dedicate itself to defending innovators from &#8220;excessive government favors, and excessive private monopoly power.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081224-lawrence-lessig-says-its-time-to-nuke-the-fcc-from-orbit.html" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081224-lawrence-lessig-says-its-time-to-nuke-the-fcc-from-orbit.html</a></p>
<p>And here, in Canada, the CRTC launched a &#8220;new media&#8221; consultation, which is about how to make censorship more pervasive and more efficient and force &#8220;Canadian content&#8221; &#8211; not on basis of meritocracy.</p>
<p>We can buy foreign magazines in Canada but we cannot watch foreign TV (read about the 2005 RCMP busts on suppliers of American satellite dishes who provided US addresses to Canadian residents)</p>
<p>Now CRTC launches a ânew media consulationâ, but from the reading of the description, only submissions from âimportant personsâ are accepted (read corporations). </p>
<p>From the ânew media consultationâ description and mention of âCanadian contentâ, it is clear that this is about the best way to perform corporate censorship on the new media. After all, they do it on old media.</p>
<p>CRTC is about corporate control, protecting monopolies and forcing censorship. CRTC must be abolished, together with this American neoconservative government of Harper.</p>
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