Comments on: Oz Net Censorship plan still on track

By: Mac of Sydney

Mac of Sydney — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:54:21 +0000

We have no documented “Freedom of speach” rights here, actually we really have very little documented “rights” whatsoever! most of the “rights” we believe we have are in fact assumed… We actually believe we have these “rights” because we watch so many US TV shows…… Just something to think about.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:07:17 +0000

@mike the participant

go asphyxiate yourself with a wired mouse while beating off to f**king with peoples internet services. People who do jobs like this willingly deserve to be paraded through the streets like some kind of national threat. If your in the middle of a corrupt debate do the right thing and blow the whistle. This is not a pointless battle its a fight for every child now and in the future to have the freedom of access to the wealth of knowledge that has been amassed since the internets conception. You step in the way of my childs education or right to freedom of speech your definitely going to hear from me.

I dont live in Australia. If I did I would be rioting over this.

By: Comeoncomcast

Comeoncomcast — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:51:35 +0000

Jon Can I please hit Mike over the head?

I dont want my Internet filtered by anyone esspecially not by you

What you do is illegal you just dont understand that

@3
If your talking about OpenDNS, sure they can but then they would called an ISP or ClosedDNS

By: Sam I Am

Sam I Am — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:17:46 +0000

Word.

By: Mike the Participant

Mike the Participant — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:06:44 +0000

Guys, any opposition to any social or legal protective measures based on the fact that criminals can get around it, is akin to demanding the disbanding of the police force and annullment of all laws, as criminals continually get around these measures as well.
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So a straw poll: How many of you advocate the disbanding of the police force and annullment of all laws? (well, a fair question??)
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If I take the version of events above, which is technically correct when all ISPs manage their copy of the ACMA list and can see this in clear text, then yes an ISP staffer can divulge the list. Just as a bank teller can divulge bank account holders details, just as a legal secretary can divulge client’s case details. All possible, all illegal, all very viable and exactly what the hard-liners want to see…
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That would be the justification, if you wish to consider the hypothisis, to take direct control of the list and filter management, encrypt all list entries, implement IP forensics, deep packet inspection technologies, massive traffic routing logging and some brand new and very intrusive laws about this whole subject… (all in place in many countries outside of China BTW, commercial and military etc…)
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Good initiative guys. There would be a centrally managed list on strong failover systems and massive redundancy, remote lookups from all GET requests, gov managed interception devices in all ISPs, ISP licensing and certifications (Oh yes, you will push them to that….), loads more compliance paperwork and regulations (Oh yes you will push them to that as well), audits, controls and regulation.
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Tis the season to (not perhaps) be recalcitrant…
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I understand the desire to be free of gov interference, but if we do not work with these guys in some fashion, they will withdraw the initiative to have the ISPs choose and manage the basic filtering (mandatory) technologies, and will legislate ISP compliance. Believe me guys, this is on it’s way if we do not work from the inside to help steer this thing to a happier ending. Many ISPs look far further into your traffic than can even imagine today. Deep packet inspection vendors are sprouting up all over the place, and governments that do not get a reasonable level of co-operation on legal controls of internet traffic will begin to implement this stuff as well. Hallo P2P controls…
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So enough people claim continually that the whole system will not work becuase of technologies such as P2P, anon proxies, encryption etc. Vendors across the globe clap their hands with glee, make some calls to the DBCDE and let them know that they have products and technologies that can fix just that…. Whammo, we have just, ourselves, caused the whole shebang to grow by a country mile. We call wolf and the gov sends in the anti-wolf squad, armed to the teeeth with brand spanking new filtering technologies.
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This is government guys, at some point they will simply throw more $$$$ at this and buy what they need to get it going.
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This is not some gov forum on “would you like to be filtered” that you are opposing today, this is a “it is coming, how would you like it” exercise… We can either do this ourselves in accordance with guidelines (currently proposed) or they will legislate.
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I also want minimum gov intrusion in my life, but fighting windmills is a fairly pointless battle. And yes, I do work with organisations that can make the list so secure that if they lost the key they could not retrieve it themselves… That means that no ISP staffer would ever be tempted to indulge in the criminal act of exposing it, as they would never see it. (I know, hard words, but that is how the police see that folks…) The same will eventually apply to DNS servers, etc. If we do not have a robust system that is able to comply with gov guidelines, they will legislate certification and audits, and I do not want to see that happen as much as you do not…
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Mike the Participant
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| Disclosure: I am currently contracted to a vendor of ISP-filtering solutions whose products are being evaluated as part of the
| current ACMA trials.
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By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:23:29 +0000

They can block ip address ranges though which would have the same effect regardless if you use opendns or your network provider’s dns resolution servers.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:21:12 +0000

Everyone should be using opendns anyway. In the current climate of ISPs recording both your habits and data for government retention polices and targeted advertising, a la phorm. we can ill afford to be complacent by assuming the fidelity of our network providers.

By: Comeoncomcast

Comeoncomcast — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:08:16 +0000

As Ive said before

I present problem 1;
DNS Settings will be the Aus Govs worst nightmare
They cant filter or block access to sites when the ISP isnt in control of their Customers DNS queries

Just look at TPB when they were blocked in Italy, they put openDNS.com on their homepage