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		<title>By: CHRoNoSS</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-967103</link>
		<dc:creator>CHRoNoSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH AND YA NOTE THAT THIS IS OF COURSE BEFORE THE CDR LEVY SO IF YOU HAVE LEVIED CDRS SITTING ABOUT AND THEY TRY THIS SHIT SUE THEM, for the 300 million back in a class action lawsuit
THAT&#039;S RIGHT THEY HAVE GOT 300 MILLION 

if you DONT DOWNLOAD and need ot have storage get a god damn external hard drive ( OH just to teach you somehting any hard drive will do they aren;&#039;t leviable and all you need is the 20$ USB connector and a plug)

if you have all htose thousands a nude pics a your wife and such well there ya go.
and dont give me the other crap either the sheer stupidity is funny.
Oh im a musician and we dont get our CUT
art is not about a cut its about sharing your art with people.
Stop trying to make money and instead be an artist.
Makes me wonder if any of these bands actualy play in a club or bar anywhere or are totaly made boy band girl band by hollywacked</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH AND YA NOTE THAT THIS IS OF COURSE BEFORE THE CDR LEVY SO IF YOU HAVE LEVIED CDRS SITTING ABOUT AND THEY TRY THIS SHIT SUE THEM, for the 300 million back in a class action lawsuit<br />
THAT&#8217;S RIGHT THEY HAVE GOT 300 MILLION </p>
<p>if you DONT DOWNLOAD and need ot have storage get a god damn external hard drive ( OH just to teach you somehting any hard drive will do they aren;&#8217;t leviable and all you need is the 20$ USB connector and a plug)</p>
<p>if you have all htose thousands a nude pics a your wife and such well there ya go.<br />
and dont give me the other crap either the sheer stupidity is funny.<br />
Oh im a musician and we dont get our CUT<br />
art is not about a cut its about sharing your art with people.<br />
Stop trying to make money and instead be an artist.<br />
Makes me wonder if any of these bands actualy play in a club or bar anywhere or are totaly made boy band girl band by hollywacked</p>
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		<title>By: CHRoNoSS</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-967102</link>
		<dc:creator>CHRoNoSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH and regarding the above printer ip spoof
heres a lil well kept secret for you all.
SOmetimes your devices like printers get static IP addrersses its one way to beat the bell canada constantly changing hte lease on a dynamic ip addrress. Well back a few years ago you could kinda hack into unprotected &quot;devices&quot; and as htey had some storage do some interesting htings. Of course that also lead to the hack into the main computer and wella you are pirated and it all comes back to a device IP.

NIce to say three strikes laws when hundreds a thousnads a computers are even fully patched are vulnerable.
Just enjoy the break form the net. in time hte rest of canada will join you and dont get a phone with them NOR a tv either , ya lets all stop using tv and cell phones and that is hte only way these idiots are gonna change</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH and regarding the above printer ip spoof<br />
heres a lil well kept secret for you all.<br />
SOmetimes your devices like printers get static IP addrersses its one way to beat the bell canada constantly changing hte lease on a dynamic ip addrress. Well back a few years ago you could kinda hack into unprotected &#8220;devices&#8221; and as htey had some storage do some interesting htings. Of course that also lead to the hack into the main computer and wella you are pirated and it all comes back to a device IP.</p>
<p>NIce to say three strikes laws when hundreds a thousnads a computers are even fully patched are vulnerable.<br />
Just enjoy the break form the net. in time hte rest of canada will join you and dont get a phone with them NOR a tv either , ya lets all stop using tv and cell phones and that is hte only way these idiots are gonna change</p>
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		<title>By: CHRoNoSS</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-967101</link>
		<dc:creator>CHRoNoSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wonder what would happen if say your ...ENCRYPTED everything you did that came to and from yoru computer.

What woudl htey do or say then OH your pirating and we hacked your computer and broke federal privacy laws to do it.
Oh and sorry we were wrong but hey we decided to smack you around anyhow.

O have proof of rogers a few years back illeally scanning my home pc 600 times in a 5 hour period , why cause i designed a custom firewall that obviously worked OR that the one they were telling you to use htey had a back door on, kinda like how SONY ROOT KIT got buy all the major anti virus and firewall makers .

MAkes ya wonder don&#039;t it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonder what would happen if say your &#8230;ENCRYPTED everything you did that came to and from yoru computer.</p>
<p>What woudl htey do or say then OH your pirating and we hacked your computer and broke federal privacy laws to do it.<br />
Oh and sorry we were wrong but hey we decided to smack you around anyhow.</p>
<p>O have proof of rogers a few years back illeally scanning my home pc 600 times in a 5 hour period , why cause i designed a custom firewall that obviously worked OR that the one they were telling you to use htey had a back door on, kinda like how SONY ROOT KIT got buy all the major anti virus and firewall makers .</p>
<p>MAkes ya wonder don&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckyouriaa</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-960086</link>
		<dc:creator>fuckyouriaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesnt RIAA have any thing better to do than to harass &quot;less fortunate people&quot;???  This is my first post here, but seriously FUCK YOU RIAA!!!!!!!.  I think the best way to get music is to visit the sites in Europe that sell music for 15 cents instead of 99 cents.  Remember allofmp3, well there still mp3fiesta.cm, mp3sale.com, 8 cents at wermp3.com.  Or torrents aren&#039;t bad, the only way not to get caught with them is to use a proxy or a hacked modem -like me :)-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesnt RIAA have any thing better to do than to harass &#8220;less fortunate people&#8221;???  This is my first post here, but seriously FUCK YOU RIAA!!!!!!!.  I think the best way to get music is to visit the sites in Europe that sell music for 15 cents instead of 99 cents.  Remember allofmp3, well there still mp3fiesta.cm, mp3sale.com, 8 cents at wermp3.com.  Or torrents aren&#8217;t bad, the only way not to get caught with them is to use a proxy or a hacked modem -like me <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> -</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-957301</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, there was a university trial during the at the time newest movie of Indiana Jones, where the ip was spoofed in the client. The ips were for a printer and for a wireless hotspot. They recieved a record number of cease and desist notices over it. The college newspaper ran a story of &quot;Wanted&quot; for a printer last seen downloading. 

The point of this was there were monitors, setting in the flow stream, looking for IPs to harvest for reporting. There were obviously no checks on those ips if they were actually downloading. It appears it was assumed that if they were in the stream then they were guilty of downloading. 

Say what you will about unsecured wireless routers and it being the responsibility of the owner to secure, I gotta tell you I got one and I don&#039;t understand how you set it up to secure it. I&#039;ve read the manual and help screens that come with it but you got to near have an IT background to understand all the computereze that is thrown in there with the expectation you know what they are talking about. Router makers don&#039;t make them to my knowledge with wizards that do it for you. No, you got to manually do it on your own. 

This is just like copyright legalize in this sense. If it takes lawyers that work in copyright, say 4 years to become a lawyer and an additional 2 to 3 years to learn copyright laws, you think the average citizen understands it, despite of the court assumption that ignorance is no excuse? I beg to differ and say it is the courts scapegoat, not reality. 

It&#039;s the same with securing a wireless router. It is evidenced first by the apparent &quot;no clue&quot; by Mr. Nagy of securing a router. I would be willing to bet at the time of contact he had no idea there is even a setup page for the router. That part is usually done by wizard for those of us clueless in how to network. ISPs do not make any sort of noise over securing a router when they take your money for an internet connection. Where else are you going to learn about the need if you don&#039;t know already? 

Most likely you are going to learn as Mr. Nagy did, you get an unfriendly letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, there was a university trial during the at the time newest movie of Indiana Jones, where the ip was spoofed in the client. The ips were for a printer and for a wireless hotspot. They recieved a record number of cease and desist notices over it. The college newspaper ran a story of &#8220;Wanted&#8221; for a printer last seen downloading. </p>
<p>The point of this was there were monitors, setting in the flow stream, looking for IPs to harvest for reporting. There were obviously no checks on those ips if they were actually downloading. It appears it was assumed that if they were in the stream then they were guilty of downloading. </p>
<p>Say what you will about unsecured wireless routers and it being the responsibility of the owner to secure, I gotta tell you I got one and I don&#8217;t understand how you set it up to secure it. I&#8217;ve read the manual and help screens that come with it but you got to near have an IT background to understand all the computereze that is thrown in there with the expectation you know what they are talking about. Router makers don&#8217;t make them to my knowledge with wizards that do it for you. No, you got to manually do it on your own. </p>
<p>This is just like copyright legalize in this sense. If it takes lawyers that work in copyright, say 4 years to become a lawyer and an additional 2 to 3 years to learn copyright laws, you think the average citizen understands it, despite of the court assumption that ignorance is no excuse? I beg to differ and say it is the courts scapegoat, not reality. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same with securing a wireless router. It is evidenced first by the apparent &#8220;no clue&#8221; by Mr. Nagy of securing a router. I would be willing to bet at the time of contact he had no idea there is even a setup page for the router. That part is usually done by wizard for those of us clueless in how to network. ISPs do not make any sort of noise over securing a router when they take your money for an internet connection. Where else are you going to learn about the need if you don&#8217;t know already? </p>
<p>Most likely you are going to learn as Mr. Nagy did, you get an unfriendly letter.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Reimer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-955983</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Reimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jon, would you like the number to the Rogers Media Representitive? Get a quote just for p2pnet? if so, give me an e-mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon, would you like the number to the Rogers Media Representitive? Get a quote just for p2pnet? if so, give me an e-mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-954750</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bay STP  notice in itself (once itâs responded to) is a signed, sealed and delivered admission of guilt that can be used in a court of law thatâs not wavered nor retractable once itâs filed into discovery. 

When a journey person in tool and die builds jigs and molds under patents, the employee signs an agreement with the employer not to disclose company secrets until he gets laid and sets up a business. The probability is Rogers would have to buy my molds and jigs and tool maker that made them with out using the tools of entrapment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bay STP  notice in itself (once itâs responded to) is a signed, sealed and delivered admission of guilt that can be used in a court of law thatâs not wavered nor retractable once itâs filed into discovery. </p>
<p>When a journey person in tool and die builds jigs and molds under patents, the employee signs an agreement with the employer not to disclose company secrets until he gets laid and sets up a business. The probability is Rogers would have to buy my molds and jigs and tool maker that made them with out using the tools of entrapment.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-954726</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh, maybe the RIAA will contact Rogers and tell them to send a notice to this guy because he makes guitars that&#039;s a tool for copyright infringement.

Sued for making available a means to make tunes! :p

I mean whats the difference here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh, maybe the RIAA will contact Rogers and tell them to send a notice to this guy because he makes guitars that&#8217;s a tool for copyright infringement.</p>
<p>Sued for making available a means to make tunes! :p</p>
<p>I mean whats the difference here?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-954692</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I Nominate this article and the previous article on this topic to be stickied at the top of this website for the week.&quot;

As per your suggestion, I&#039;ve put this one at the top.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I Nominate this article and the previous article on this topic to be stickied at the top of this website for the week.&#8221;</p>
<p>As per your suggestion, I&#8217;ve put this one at the top.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: yup no joy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18338/comment-page-1#comment-954672</link>
		<dc:creator>yup no joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and on what &quot;sb&quot; spoke of is the truth in what is going on... This is the way its been working here Jon, for a long time now. Wayne is not the first to state he was wronged. I think some (or most) of what sb said can even be found on Dr. Geist&#039;s site.

But this is the first time I see the issue pushed and a dialog opened. I like dialog. But who trusts an US sue-em-all machine? I wouldn&#039;t. It would scare me off if a dialog was opened. But that&#039;s the case of all these things. People get scared off....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and on what &#8220;sb&#8221; spoke of is the truth in what is going on&#8230; This is the way its been working here Jon, for a long time now. Wayne is not the first to state he was wronged. I think some (or most) of what sb said can even be found on Dr. Geist&#8217;s site.</p>
<p>But this is the first time I see the issue pushed and a dialog opened. I like dialog. But who trusts an US sue-em-all machine? I wouldn&#8217;t. It would scare me off if a dialog was opened. But that&#8217;s the case of all these things. People get scared off&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: yup no joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>yup no joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well first I have to give &quot;Jim Graham at BayTSP&quot; some credit for even speaking, even though he didn&#039;t say much. So Jim, dialog is good. Its something people don&#039;t get a lot of the times.

However, I still think there is a very big issue here.

Wayne, two-thumbs up to you. Many people would take it, get upset, and just forget about it. 

I Nominate this article and the previous article on this topic to be stickied at the top of this website for the week.

I hope Dr. Geist&#039;s site picks it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well first I have to give &#8220;Jim Graham at BayTSP&#8221; some credit for even speaking, even though he didn&#8217;t say much. So Jim, dialog is good. Its something people don&#8217;t get a lot of the times.</p>
<p>However, I still think there is a very big issue here.</p>
<p>Wayne, two-thumbs up to you. Many people would take it, get upset, and just forget about it. </p>
<p>I Nominate this article and the previous article on this topic to be stickied at the top of this website for the week.</p>
<p>I hope Dr. Geist&#8217;s site picks it up.</p>
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