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		<title>By: Dennis Nilsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Nilsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hook
&quot;Iâve had my ideas stolen by big 3 automakers and never received a penny.&quot;

My father has the same experience in the early 70&#039;s. But he never gived them the whole solution, only a part. 
The innovation was the car catalysator.</description>
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&#8220;Iâve had my ideas stolen by big 3 automakers and never received a penny.&#8221;</p>
<p>My father has the same experience in the early 70&#8217;s. But he never gived them the whole solution, only a part.<br />
The innovation was the car catalysator.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-958087</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he&#039;s not &#039;full of it&#039; .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he&#8217;s not &#8216;full of it&#8217; .</p>
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		<title>By: U4ea</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-958036</link>
		<dc:creator>U4ea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ hook is far from full of it. he runs a free wifi server and anonymiser in KW and it&#039;s all on there</description>
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		<title>By: FFS2</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-957858</link>
		<dc:creator>FFS2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hook - you are so full of it , put on your silver paper hat , sit in the corner and stop embarassing yourself , Ive never read so much rubbish .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hook &#8211; you are so full of it , put on your silver paper hat , sit in the corner and stop embarassing yourself , Ive never read so much rubbish .</p>
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		<title>By: hook</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-956488</link>
		<dc:creator>hook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now we&#039;re getting somewhere. Copyright was created same as patents, to protect corporations rights to hide any technology and papers they don&#039;t want everyone else to know about or use.
Unlike patents, a person can&#039;t create their own copy of copyrighted material and still use it. With advent of Internet any copyright is useless since the net is one big copy machine. 
We are really lucky the corporations haven&#039;t done this
www.geet.nl/nieuws/free-uk.htm
and this
peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Surge_Motor_Technology_by_Troy_Reed
to users who share copyrighted materials

I&#039;ve had my ideas stolen by big 3 automakers and never received a penny. Not one of my ideas was produced or implemented. Actually I was told that if I try to make, create or show anyone I&#039;d have my balls cut off or have an accident. I took it as them being serious once I was wiped off the road a few times. I still carry a camera or video everywhere I go. And this is no joke. 

Anyone who&#039;s ever worked for an automaker can attest to signing a contract that they won&#039;t divulge or reproduce anything for 10 yrs and won&#039;t go into a similar field for 5 yrs. Situations vary but they have the same idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we&#8217;re getting somewhere. Copyright was created same as patents, to protect corporations rights to hide any technology and papers they don&#8217;t want everyone else to know about or use.<br />
Unlike patents, a person can&#8217;t create their own copy of copyrighted material and still use it. With advent of Internet any copyright is useless since the net is one big copy machine.<br />
We are really lucky the corporations haven&#8217;t done this<br />
<a href="http://www.geet.nl/nieuws/free-uk.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.geet.nl/nieuws/free-uk.htm</a><br />
and this<br />
peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Surge_Motor_Technology_by_Troy_Reed<br />
to users who share copyrighted materials</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had my ideas stolen by big 3 automakers and never received a penny. Not one of my ideas was produced or implemented. Actually I was told that if I try to make, create or show anyone I&#8217;d have my balls cut off or have an accident. I took it as them being serious once I was wiped off the road a few times. I still carry a camera or video everywhere I go. And this is no joke. </p>
<p>Anyone who&#8217;s ever worked for an automaker can attest to signing a contract that they won&#8217;t divulge or reproduce anything for 10 yrs and won&#8217;t go into a similar field for 5 yrs. Situations vary but they have the same idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-956485</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The root of all evil? Fractional reserve banking and intellectual property laws. Anyone who disagrees is uninformed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The root of all evil? Fractional reserve banking and intellectual property laws. Anyone who disagrees is uninformed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Venegas</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-956454</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael Venegas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Copyright has to be abolished.&quot;

Copyright as it exists is like capitalism as it exists. Just as capitalism has failed so ha copyright laws. Both for the same reason. The capitalists and the copyright holders wholesale purchased the politicians and the judicial who in turned fixed and favored the capitalists and the copyright holders while turning against the people as a whole. Simplified, the laws have favored money over the vote.

Just as wall street type capitalists and bankers ruined the economy of the world and themselves in the process of getting too much of what they wanted (soft laws and no regulations) the same is happening to copyright holders (the grabbers, not the hapless creators). The copyright holders have also have gotten too much of what they wanted (no protection for the real creators and eternal copyright duration) and therein lies the seed of their destruction, as creators and customers turn away. 

But the solution is not the elimination of capitalism or of copyright.

I have no doubt that some sort of capitalism will have to co exists with some sort of socialism just as some sort of moderate and limited copyrights are needed to coexist with the public domain.

As to copyright, a basic principle is that in order to promote the production of goods through the use of time and money people have saved, laws are required. No one will invest their money, for example, to make a movie if after the movie is made anyone can sell copies. That is, unless the move makers are financed with public or donated money (a real, if complicated, option). Also no one will invest their time to write a novel or a history book unless the work is protected by copyright. That is, unless the authors are financed with public  or donated money (again, a real, if complicated, option).

The solutions are to fix broken economic, copyright, legal, political systems.

And the advanced economic countries should stop their imperial ways and stop teaching the less economically developed countries how to fix their systems (usually the advise is self serving) when their own systems are badly broken. And even of their systems are working perfectly, they should mind their own business.

In the end, each the people (not the politicians) of each country should decide how to run their economies and to have whatever copyright laws they want to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Copyright has to be abolished.&#8221;</p>
<p>Copyright as it exists is like capitalism as it exists. Just as capitalism has failed so ha copyright laws. Both for the same reason. The capitalists and the copyright holders wholesale purchased the politicians and the judicial who in turned fixed and favored the capitalists and the copyright holders while turning against the people as a whole. Simplified, the laws have favored money over the vote.</p>
<p>Just as wall street type capitalists and bankers ruined the economy of the world and themselves in the process of getting too much of what they wanted (soft laws and no regulations) the same is happening to copyright holders (the grabbers, not the hapless creators). The copyright holders have also have gotten too much of what they wanted (no protection for the real creators and eternal copyright duration) and therein lies the seed of their destruction, as creators and customers turn away. </p>
<p>But the solution is not the elimination of capitalism or of copyright.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that some sort of capitalism will have to co exists with some sort of socialism just as some sort of moderate and limited copyrights are needed to coexist with the public domain.</p>
<p>As to copyright, a basic principle is that in order to promote the production of goods through the use of time and money people have saved, laws are required. No one will invest their money, for example, to make a movie if after the movie is made anyone can sell copies. That is, unless the move makers are financed with public or donated money (a real, if complicated, option). Also no one will invest their time to write a novel or a history book unless the work is protected by copyright. That is, unless the authors are financed with public  or donated money (again, a real, if complicated, option).</p>
<p>The solutions are to fix broken economic, copyright, legal, political systems.</p>
<p>And the advanced economic countries should stop their imperial ways and stop teaching the less economically developed countries how to fix their systems (usually the advise is self serving) when their own systems are badly broken. And even of their systems are working perfectly, they should mind their own business.</p>
<p>In the end, each the people (not the politicians) of each country should decide how to run their economies and to have whatever copyright laws they want to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-956385</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A law that is unconstitutional is nule and have no effect.

At home I am using the DMCA as toilet paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A law that is unconstitutional is nule and have no effect.</p>
<p>At home I am using the DMCA as toilet paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-956355</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>free/libre open source software?  thats FLOSS cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>free/libre open source software?  thats FLOSS cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-956137</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the 3D artist:  I really wish there were more people like you.  I myself am an aspiring visual artist and, like yourself, I plan on releasing my work free of any draconian restrictions on what people (specifically consumers) can and can&#039;t do with it.  Unfortunately, the creative world is infested with people who have been corrupted by greed and desire for absolute control over how media is distributed.  Just head over to conceptart.org.  Everyone there is a total nazi when it comes to copyright protection---in fact, if you so much as mention software piracy on their forum, that in itself is grounds for a ban.  The creative world would be much better off without vermin like them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the 3D artist:  I really wish there were more people like you.  I myself am an aspiring visual artist and, like yourself, I plan on releasing my work free of any draconian restrictions on what people (specifically consumers) can and can&#8217;t do with it.  Unfortunately, the creative world is infested with people who have been corrupted by greed and desire for absolute control over how media is distributed.  Just head over to conceptart.org.  Everyone there is a total nazi when it comes to copyright protection&#8212;in fact, if you so much as mention software piracy on their forum, that in itself is grounds for a ban.  The creative world would be much better off without vermin like them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Scott Scheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Scott Scheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the previous Reader&#039;s Write, it is &quot;F.O.S.S.&quot;, without the L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the previous Reader&#8217;s Write, it is &#8220;F.O.S.S.&#8221;, without the L.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-955695</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>intellectual property is a fallacy.  Once you realize that, your mind opens to the possibilities.   I for one am a 3d amateur artist and I release my art to the public for  free I could care less what anybody does with it.  I am not a corporation and I dont need to profit to keep a international multi-billion dollar company running.  Open source technologies are constantly being innovated for free by individuals around the globe. Its here, its now. Get used to it.

F.L.O.S.S FTW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>intellectual property is a fallacy.  Once you realize that, your mind opens to the possibilities.   I for one am a 3d amateur artist and I release my art to the public for  free I could care less what anybody does with it.  I am not a corporation and I dont need to profit to keep a international multi-billion dollar company running.  Open source technologies are constantly being innovated for free by individuals around the globe. Its here, its now. Get used to it.</p>
<p>F.L.O.S.S FTW</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18357/comment-page-1#comment-955679</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree. The oppressive influence of copyright and so called intellectual property (how can you own knowledge really?) no longer has a place in a civilised and enlightened world. It serves only to empower the opulent who wish to restrain creativity. It would doubtless be a step toward utopia if copyright was abolished.

Good article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree. The oppressive influence of copyright and so called intellectual property (how can you own knowledge really?) no longer has a place in a civilised and enlightened world. It serves only to empower the opulent who wish to restrain creativity. It would doubtless be a step toward utopia if copyright was abolished.</p>
<p>Good article.</p>
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		<title>By: Schmock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schmock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s smart. Current copyright is &quot;Unethical and unconstitutional&quot;. Exactly my thinking. I work as an author for more than a decade. Writing for newspapers, magazines, agencys and more I never got payed twice. Although many of my articles were and will be reprinted. Therefore, I&#039;m constantly forced to sign strange &quot;contracts&quot;, stating me, the author, is not the holder of the copyright, but the publisher. Of course I may refuse to sign such &quot;contracts&quot;. But only, if I don&#039;t want to get new orders. So beware, if you reprint illegally one of my articles (of course, you won&#039;t ;) ). I wouldn&#039;t sue you. My publisher would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s smart. Current copyright is &#8220;Unethical and unconstitutional&#8221;. Exactly my thinking. I work as an author for more than a decade. Writing for newspapers, magazines, agencys and more I never got payed twice. Although many of my articles were and will be reprinted. Therefore, I&#8217;m constantly forced to sign strange &#8220;contracts&#8221;, stating me, the author, is not the holder of the copyright, but the publisher. Of course I may refuse to sign such &#8220;contracts&#8221;. But only, if I don&#8217;t want to get new orders. So beware, if you reprint illegally one of my articles (of course, you won&#8217;t <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). I wouldn&#8217;t sue you. My publisher would.</p>
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		<title>By: Comeoncomcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comeoncomcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We try to tell them, We try to tell them!

&#039;Fitch is researching and developing revenue mechanisms and business models for producers of digital art and in the process, âhas discovered that copyright is not only an ineffective anachronism, but is unethical and unconstitutionalâ.&#039;

Eircom a couple days ago bended to the 4 labels command, on blogs such as this people were telling Eircoms customers to move ISP, I would too.

Now, they will lose customers, and revenue but some ISPs are ignorant.

Try telling that to the Australian Government =@

they say &#039;we loose xx billion dollars due to piracy every year&#039; No, you loose money because you keep fighting them, and all these lawsuits, and investigations

but we try to tell them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We try to tell them, We try to tell them!</p>
<p>&#8216;Fitch is researching and developing revenue mechanisms and business models for producers of digital art and in the process, âhas discovered that copyright is not only an ineffective anachronism, but is unethical and unconstitutionalâ.&#8217;</p>
<p>Eircom a couple days ago bended to the 4 labels command, on blogs such as this people were telling Eircoms customers to move ISP, I would too.</p>
<p>Now, they will lose customers, and revenue but some ISPs are ignorant.</p>
<p>Try telling that to the Australian Government =@</p>
<p>they say &#8216;we loose xx billion dollars due to piracy every year&#8217; No, you loose money because you keep fighting them, and all these lawsuits, and investigations</p>
<p>but we try to tell them</p>
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