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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18447/comment-page-1#comment-967176</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the feedback period has been extended to February 23rd now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the feedback period has been extended to February 23rd now.</p>
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		<title>By: Orbit</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18447/comment-page-1#comment-967095</link>
		<dc:creator>Orbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a copy of my 2 cents added to the petition 

I would like to add that I was a customer of Bell for many years but had to leave because of traffic shaping. I live in an older apartment building that has out dated cable lines resulting poor video quality of service. I turned to P2P for some of my TV viewing even though I pay $70 a month for cable service. I went to Teksavvy as they did not traffic shape but thanks to your ruling allowing Bell to traffic shape 3rd party ISP. I now have to pay out more money every month for Usenet access. I also enjoy watching podcasts and some are available using bit torrent. I would like to use bit torrent to help off load some of the bandwidth cost of these new start up companies but I can&#039;t. Traffic shaping is not about network management it&#039;s about suppressing the future of media. The future of television is the internet and these monopolies don&#039;t want this because most if not all rebroadcast TV over cable and satellite and make huge profits. This is clearly a conflict of interest and needs to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a copy of my 2 cents added to the petition </p>
<p>I would like to add that I was a customer of Bell for many years but had to leave because of traffic shaping. I live in an older apartment building that has out dated cable lines resulting poor video quality of service. I turned to P2P for some of my TV viewing even though I pay $70 a month for cable service. I went to Teksavvy as they did not traffic shape but thanks to your ruling allowing Bell to traffic shape 3rd party ISP. I now have to pay out more money every month for Usenet access. I also enjoy watching podcasts and some are available using bit torrent. I would like to use bit torrent to help off load some of the bandwidth cost of these new start up companies but I can&#8217;t. Traffic shaping is not about network management it&#8217;s about suppressing the future of media. The future of television is the internet and these monopolies don&#8217;t want this because most if not all rebroadcast TV over cable and satellite and make huge profits. This is clearly a conflict of interest and needs to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18447/comment-page-1#comment-967092</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Be Careful...
Net Neutrality is not about &quot;government regulation&quot;.
Net Neutrality is about removing &quot;ISP regulation&quot;.

ISPs (whether publicly built, like Bell, or not) have been, for quite some time now, enjoying a very privileged business scenario that many other types of businesses would never have gotten away with.  They get to continually sell services they can&#039;t deliver, while feeling free to not invest their profits in the infrastructures to keep pace with all the demand they&#039;re creating themselves.  They&#039;ve been breaking all sorts of contract laws, collecting prime rates while reneging on the subscribers, and putting our personal information out for those that would have them profit from that.

Providers were originally supposed to be common carriers (&quot;dumb pipes&quot;), yet now get to jump into the content game.  A game that needs their pipes to be played - an anti-competitive setup in itself.  And, at the same time, they still seem to enjoy &quot;common carrier&quot; status whenever a content liability comes into play.

Customers are expected to follow rules.
Large ISPs who own the networks don&#039;t seem to have that same expectation placed on them.
If a backbone provider doesn&#039;t like the way things are going, it can just change the rules and FUCK everyone else.  And, in Canada, it won&#039;t have to worry about backlash... the CRTC will make it all go away.

The same CRTC that says it wants your input.

Don&#039;t hold your breath waiting for some remarkable change to the way it&#039;s all going.

If you want change, you have to STOP being careful with the CRTC.
Sure, tell them what they really don&#039;t want to hear, but don&#039;t stop there.
Tell everyone that keeps the CRTC alive the same things, and don&#039;t pull any punches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Be Careful&#8230;<br />
Net Neutrality is not about &#8220;government regulation&#8221;.<br />
Net Neutrality is about removing &#8220;ISP regulation&#8221;.</p>
<p>ISPs (whether publicly built, like Bell, or not) have been, for quite some time now, enjoying a very privileged business scenario that many other types of businesses would never have gotten away with.  They get to continually sell services they can&#8217;t deliver, while feeling free to not invest their profits in the infrastructures to keep pace with all the demand they&#8217;re creating themselves.  They&#8217;ve been breaking all sorts of contract laws, collecting prime rates while reneging on the subscribers, and putting our personal information out for those that would have them profit from that.</p>
<p>Providers were originally supposed to be common carriers (&#8221;dumb pipes&#8221;), yet now get to jump into the content game.  A game that needs their pipes to be played &#8211; an anti-competitive setup in itself.  And, at the same time, they still seem to enjoy &#8220;common carrier&#8221; status whenever a content liability comes into play.</p>
<p>Customers are expected to follow rules.<br />
Large ISPs who own the networks don&#8217;t seem to have that same expectation placed on them.<br />
If a backbone provider doesn&#8217;t like the way things are going, it can just change the rules and FUCK everyone else.  And, in Canada, it won&#8217;t have to worry about backlash&#8230; the CRTC will make it all go away.</p>
<p>The same CRTC that says it wants your input.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hold your breath waiting for some remarkable change to the way it&#8217;s all going.</p>
<p>If you want change, you have to STOP being careful with the CRTC.<br />
Sure, tell them what they really don&#8217;t want to hear, but don&#8217;t stop there.<br />
Tell everyone that keeps the CRTC alive the same things, and don&#8217;t pull any punches!</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18447/comment-page-1#comment-966971</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Net Neutrality for everyone means that people cannot innovate.  &quot;

 Precisely how ?
 I&#039;d like some examples of that. Or as in Fark Lingo

 -Citation Needed-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Net Neutrality for everyone means that people cannot innovate.  &#8221;</p>
<p> Precisely how ?<br />
 I&#8217;d like some examples of that. Or as in Fark Lingo</p>
<p> -Citation Needed-</p>
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		<title>By: Be Careful</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18447/comment-page-1#comment-966969</link>
		<dc:creator>Be Careful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Net Neutrality is wrong to impose on companies who didn&#039;t get help from the govt forming a 
govt monopoly.
(e.g. Bell and Rogers should have to follow some net neutrality guidelines, while 
competitors who lack such previous govt support shouldn&#039;t have to abide by them)
Inherently net neutrality is a bad idea, but given that telecommunications has been a govt 
sponsor&#039;d clusterfuck.
it isn&#039;t a bad idea for those who grew fat off a guaranteed infrastructural monopoly.

Net Neutrality for everyone means that people cannot innovate. Net Neutrality for Bell and Rogers makes sure they give us what they owe us the people who sponsored their last-mile monopolies with our tax dollars.

Be very careful. Networks should be flexible and innovation should be possible. We can&#039;t let the mistakes of the past (Govt support of Bell and Rogers monopolies) screw business in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Net Neutrality is wrong to impose on companies who didn&#8217;t get help from the govt forming a<br />
govt monopoly.<br />
(e.g. Bell and Rogers should have to follow some net neutrality guidelines, while<br />
competitors who lack such previous govt support shouldn&#8217;t have to abide by them)<br />
Inherently net neutrality is a bad idea, but given that telecommunications has been a govt<br />
sponsor&#8217;d clusterfuck.<br />
it isn&#8217;t a bad idea for those who grew fat off a guaranteed infrastructural monopoly.</p>
<p>Net Neutrality for everyone means that people cannot innovate. Net Neutrality for Bell and Rogers makes sure they give us what they owe us the people who sponsored their last-mile monopolies with our tax dollars.</p>
<p>Be very careful. Networks should be flexible and innovation should be possible. We can&#8217;t let the mistakes of the past (Govt support of Bell and Rogers monopolies) screw business in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18447/comment-page-1#comment-966851</link>
		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why do companies whine about traffic saturation when in fact, it is the obsolete, overstressed hardware they refuse to upgrade at the source of the problem. why does South Korea and Belgium lead the world in high speed internet access per capita and countries like Canada and Amerika are somewhere like 26th and 31st on that list? could it be that companies like Bell and Comcast want to milk their customers for every last dime instead of actually investing those billions of profits into upgrading the infrastructure. have they not heard that fiber optic cabling was invented?

stw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do companies whine about traffic saturation when in fact, it is the obsolete, overstressed hardware they refuse to upgrade at the source of the problem. why does South Korea and Belgium lead the world in high speed internet access per capita and countries like Canada and Amerika are somewhere like 26th and 31st on that list? could it be that companies like Bell and Comcast want to milk their customers for every last dime instead of actually investing those billions of profits into upgrading the infrastructure. have they not heard that fiber optic cabling was invented?</p>
<p>stw</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18447/comment-page-1#comment-966845</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget you can add to the petition&#039;s text!  Don&#039;t just sign it and send it, add your own 2 cents worth!  I added a lovely rant, shown below.

The more people add their own views and the more fact-based the views are, the better the chance the CRTC will do their job and listen to the consumer.

As Canada moves deeper into recession, we must actively support
our home-grown social, cultural and economic innovation, not
punish it by allowing big telecommunications companies to
strangle the open Internet. The CRTC can do its part by enacting
and enforcing policies that help build an open, fast, and
accessible Internet in Canada.

There are many sides to every story and the only way for the
mass populous to understand any story is to find information
from all sides. Corporate interests will use their financial
power to their advantage to control the information. They want
power and control, which is not in the best interests of the
people! Please remember who you represent, the people!

Our MP&#039;s have enough lobbying by corporate interests who are
focused on short term gains instead of long term strategic
planning for sustainability. The result is always the same,
short-sightedness leads to desperate lobbying because they can&#039;t
change in time to remain viable. Do not let the cash-cow
mentality rule our information!

You deregulated the telecom market to benefit consumers, and it
has! It has forced Bell/Rogers/Telus/etc.. to become
competitive, to improve customer service and quality of service.
Now they wish to monopolize (duopolize because really you have
Rogers and Bell/Telus who own the lines). This is not part of a
fair market.

The resistance to change is clearly because they are focused on
short term gains and not long term sustainability, even when
these changes will actually be good for the company! Net
Neutrality, access to all information without filtering or
throttling, is what at true market is about! It represents our
freedom to information so we can form our own thoughts and
opinions instead of forming thoughts and opinions of those who
wish to control, for financial gain only.

Please make us proud, help Canada be truly not just Strong but
also FREE! Freedom to information is the key! It starts with
saving consumers from those who wish to control and limit access
that freedom.

It starts with you, the Canadian Radio-television
Telecommunications Commission! You have the power to maintain a
fair market which benefits all, even the reluctant to change
Telco&#039;s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget you can add to the petition&#8217;s text!  Don&#8217;t just sign it and send it, add your own 2 cents worth!  I added a lovely rant, shown below.</p>
<p>The more people add their own views and the more fact-based the views are, the better the chance the CRTC will do their job and listen to the consumer.</p>
<p>As Canada moves deeper into recession, we must actively support<br />
our home-grown social, cultural and economic innovation, not<br />
punish it by allowing big telecommunications companies to<br />
strangle the open Internet. The CRTC can do its part by enacting<br />
and enforcing policies that help build an open, fast, and<br />
accessible Internet in Canada.</p>
<p>There are many sides to every story and the only way for the<br />
mass populous to understand any story is to find information<br />
from all sides. Corporate interests will use their financial<br />
power to their advantage to control the information. They want<br />
power and control, which is not in the best interests of the<br />
people! Please remember who you represent, the people!</p>
<p>Our MP&#8217;s have enough lobbying by corporate interests who are<br />
focused on short term gains instead of long term strategic<br />
planning for sustainability. The result is always the same,<br />
short-sightedness leads to desperate lobbying because they can&#8217;t<br />
change in time to remain viable. Do not let the cash-cow<br />
mentality rule our information!</p>
<p>You deregulated the telecom market to benefit consumers, and it<br />
has! It has forced Bell/Rogers/Telus/etc.. to become<br />
competitive, to improve customer service and quality of service.<br />
Now they wish to monopolize (duopolize because really you have<br />
Rogers and Bell/Telus who own the lines). This is not part of a<br />
fair market.</p>
<p>The resistance to change is clearly because they are focused on<br />
short term gains and not long term sustainability, even when<br />
these changes will actually be good for the company! Net<br />
Neutrality, access to all information without filtering or<br />
throttling, is what at true market is about! It represents our<br />
freedom to information so we can form our own thoughts and<br />
opinions instead of forming thoughts and opinions of those who<br />
wish to control, for financial gain only.</p>
<p>Please make us proud, help Canada be truly not just Strong but<br />
also FREE! Freedom to information is the key! It starts with<br />
saving consumers from those who wish to control and limit access<br />
that freedom.</p>
<p>It starts with you, the Canadian Radio-television<br />
Telecommunications Commission! You have the power to maintain a<br />
fair market which benefits all, even the reluctant to change<br />
Telco&#8217;s!</p>
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