One might think that , but read carefully.
As he was defnding the might of Qtrax he was careful to ‘poison the well’ in reference
to all of MP3 ….

” can i trust them w/ my credit card? ”

He can then return with Horror Stories about how those services are ALL credit card ripoffs.
Sortof like the RIAA folks plant virus loaded files on P2P networks and then proclaim that
you can get a virus on P2P networks.

I still feel he has some close involvement with Qtrax, though he claims not to.
He pushes this constantly and consistently, ad a little TOO hard to be just some regular
joe who thinks it’s a good thing.

I’m actually a bit surprised that some of the other more notable corporate shills of Qtrax haven’t been on here to drum up support for their little ill-conceived product. Usually there’s at least a couple that try to convince you that Qtrax is going to be the next biggest internet phenomenon and going to make all its investors all rich. Apparently no one told them that DRM is so last year, and that nobody makes it rich off the stock market alone anymore. Not to mention that alot of those same investors have little to no knowledge in technology and post some of the most hilarious pie in the sky dreams (like Google or Microsoft being interested in a buyout, or some big manufacturer like Sony or Toshiba building an mp3 player to go with their product). Although the best has to be their conspiracy theories that someone is out to make sure their stock stays at 2 pennies in value, lol, and I thought they were only mildly dillusional.

Seriously though, if a product like Ruckus who had the support of a huge number of universities, is not able to survive with that kind of demographic/consumer base. There’s no chance Qtrax will (re-read my other posts if you want something more in-depth as to why). Oh well, I hope they had no sentimental attachment to their money since I don’t see this product lasting more than 2 years (and I’m probably being generous with that), there’s just no market for it in what is already a highly competitive and crowded marketplace for digital music retailers.

( psst .. he knows that )

He picked that service deliberately so later he could ‘prove’ how badly
sites like that rip people off, and praise Qtrax some more.

Daves not stupid, he’s sneaky.

“This isn’t entirely true.
AllofMP3 still exists and is fantastically successful.
That’s because of the reasonable price point and NO DRM.
People WILL PAY .. if it’s hassle free and worth it.”

I was speaking that while there’s a plethora of semi to very successful music services out there, according to the supposed numbers of digital downloads a year, still roughly 90% are illegal … which is quite significant considering the vast number of options available to the consumer. So what I was trying to say was even if Qtrax proves to be profitable, I don’t see them making much in-roads to towards helping to curb illegal downloading by offering a free ad-supported solution … maybe 1-2% at best.

But yes, I agree … people will pay if it’s hassle free and worth it. I think that’s true of any good business model.

“Spiral Frog died.”

Last I checked, they were still very much active … not sure how profitable they are though. But I’d have to say they definitely have an edge on Qtrax just by virtue of being the first ones to the marketplace … so if anyone is going to succeed in the ad-supported music service business, it would probably be them. Either way, Qtrax’s not going to be some huge cashcow like the investors trying to pump it up on various blogs are making it out to be — you can definitely tell alot of them haven’t got a sweet clue about the technology behind the product, which if you’re like me, makes it all the more hilarious when they try to argue in favour of the product.

http://www.allofmp3.ru/press.shtml

notably

Music industry DROPS copyright suit against Russian music site.
Court Confirms Legality of AllofMP3

yes, it’s legal.

I signed up for AllofMp3 ages ago but never funded my account, I just signed up for Soundlike.com

If its legal in canada or not I don’t know, but I will try my best to find out before I fund my account and make a purchase.

They gace me .30 cents to start, they say thats enough for 2 MP3’s to try, so i guess I will.

ihttp://www.soundike.com

I just did.

” but I fear all that is to good to be true. ”

You just described Qtrax.

” I have this disscussion w/my wife all the time. She Frostwires all of her music. ”

Guess your not really all THAT concerned about artists getting paid then.

PS .. you still haven’t addressed any of the issues I outlined regarding Qtrax.
Are you ?

I read somewhere that the easter bunny holidays in Beirut.
Cite some sources.

The same way they are paid in the US.
The money goes to the Russian version of the collective societies
to distribute based on sampling.
oops, they don’t do such a good job of that in the US either, but still legal.

” If I knew allofmp3 was 100% legal ”

It is.
The RIAA members disputed it, tried to close it down, and failed
because it is legal.
That’s why it is still around.

” read that the RIAA refused to accept payment of royalties ”

Do you even read your own posts ?
The RIAA refuses to take money to pay their artists should tell you
something.
Legal in russia, but the aa’s don’t like it so they REFUSED MONEY.
They don’t want to accept a site that does not use DRM and does not
sell by the pricing model that the labels refuse to give up.
The don’t wat the competition.
But since it’s legal, it’s still around .. nice.

” can i trust them w/ my credit card? ”

nice excuse,
do you e-bay ?
do you pay for ANYTHING on the internet .. it’s just as safe and you know it.
Of course the next step in the cartel propoganda machine is to ‘hint’
that your card information might not be safe .. bullshit.
They are better than Goebbels at turning lies into truth.
If there WERE problems as you ‘hint’ then AllofMp3 wouldn’t be
as successful.

Once again,

adress the issues that I asked you about.

That’s exactly whats happening …

Paying ( at AllofMp3 ) and enjoying NO RESTRICTIONS.

A good business model fills a needthat is not being addressed elswhere,
or a need that is not being adressed properly.

Qtrax does not do that.

AllofMp3 fills the need legally, and without restrictions, making Qtrax a lesser quality alternative.

As far as you’re continued stress on free,
If it has restrictions , it ain’t free.
The FREE alternative is also covered by various means, and without restrictions.

Don’t kid yourself about those other free alternatives ( that they will be eliminated ),
there will always be someone one step ahead of the cartels.

Always.

The people that DO want to pay are, and have no restrictions.

Qtrax has no place in the market.
Spiral Frog didn’t either.
Spiral Frog died

So will QTrax.

Live with the restrictions if you want, i’m not the boss of you

The rest of us WILL look elswhere.

BTW,

You still haven’t addressed any of the issues I posed above directly.

Let me remind you, so you don’t miss them again ….

” Isn’t that what the industry wants ?, people to PAY for it right ?
All of this time the RIAA bitches that they can’t compete with free,
yet throughout this whole time, a site exists where people PAY
WILLINGLY for it, and the RIAA tries to shut them down.
They do this because there is no DRM
They do this because of the low price point, and they
don’t want to compete, they want to enforce.

And , I notice, you are dodging the issue of artists getting paid.
I’ll repeat myself ….

” So, you believe it was ok to try to eliminate AllofMP3, who definitely WERE paying their
dues, but QTrax is fine by you, and you’re not even sure the right people get paid ?
You just HOPE so ? ”

Is that what you are trying to sell us ? ”

Point by point …

1 .. Does the music industry want to be paid, so they can compensate their artists or not ?
A yes or no will do
2. Why then, did they try to shut down a working model that people willingly gave money to
and PAID THE PROPER COLLECTIVE SOCIETIES making them legal.
People were paying, JUST LIKE THEY SAY THEY WANTED.
Well ?

3. How, precisely, is the artist compensated with Qtrax ?

By comparison, it would be EASY for AllofMp3 to say that -Musician- sold exactly -wad of cash- for the month
of Zerg, thus knowing exaclty how much to pay -musician- .
Easy to know who gets what.
No guesswork or basing payment on ’samples’

ooooo
I just answered my own question.
Easy tracking means no way to HIDE THE MONEY AND RIP OFF THE ARTISTS.

So, you support a system that makes it easy to hide who REALLY earns the money ?

Qtrax will never be taken seriously.

Is Qtrax perfect? No. Is it free? yes. Ad supported. Take it or leave it but if I am getting something of value for free I don’t think I have the right to make the rules. I fI can live with rules/restrictions in exchange for a free ad suppprted service or product fine.

If restrictions aren’t your thing, then PAY for what you want elsewhere or get it FREE elsewhere.

This isn’t entirely true.
AllofMP3 still exists and is fantastically successful.
That’s because of the reasonable price point and NO DRM.
People WILL PAY .. if it’s hassle free and worth it.

” Thank you for actually challenging one of the many Qtrax enthusiastic individuals to answer the issues. ”

SuperDave is always the first ( and usually only ) one to tout the wonders of Qtrax.
I think he has some personal interest in the project ( possibly an investor, or a relative ).
He never EVER addresses the flaws that we point out.

I’ve been following Qtrax, since I first heard about it over a year ago, which includes reading the investment sites for their holding company. At first glance, Qtrax sounded like a novel and innovative idea — I mean who doesn’t like the sound of free and legal music. But upon closer inspection, I realized that things really are not at all what they seem. Let me explain.

While at the end of the day the consumer gets songs legally without having to paying for them, they end up paying a price for it anyways in the form of freedom. With any Qtrax song download, you must a) be running Windows (i.e. not Linux or Mac OS or any other non-Windows OS), and b) accept that the songs are restricted by DRM, which further means that the consumer accepts that i) they can only download and listen to your songs in the proprietary Qtrax software application (which ironically is based on the open source Songbird project) on their machine, ii) they can not burn any of the songs to CD, iii) they cannot transfer their songs to any portable music devices except those authorized for Microsoft’s Plays For Sure (i.e., neither the iPod or Zune), and iv) in the event that Qtrax were to cease operations, they would no longer have access to their library of songs (much like other recently defunct music services who relied on this form of DRM).

Is it really worth it? I think most people would agree it really isn’t, especially with other music services offering the same songs with far fewer restrictions, albeit with a slight monetary cost.

Next, Qtrax says they are trying to target the illegal downloaders who make up a significant chunk of the annual digital downloads on the internet (btw, I’d be really curious to know how they arrived at those numbers). While it’s a very noble pursuit to try to convert these individuals over to avoid nasty lawsuits which the RIAA has become infamous for, I can’t help but find flaws with this. Why would an illegal downloader accept a DRM protected song, when they can get the same song without the restrictions at the same monetary cost? I know, I know — Qtrax is legal, and illegal downloading isn’t. Very true, however, if legality was actually an actual concern to most illegal downloaders, wouldn’t they have switched long ago to many of the cheap and legal offerings readily available, or hell just plain given up on it altogether? That’s exactly it … Qtrax is trying very hard in their marketing to dumb down the rather complex issue of illegal downloading and make it sound like they have found the be-all-end-all solution to the problem when, in fact, they really haven’t. Don’t get me wrong — piracy of copyrighted works is wrong, and I make it a personal point to always purchase my music from legal online retailers. However, I don’t believe Qtrax is going to make any in-roads with the illegal downloading crowd, especially since others have had very little success in the past. One thing I know for sure, it isn’t going to be some golden cashcow like many of the investors I’ve read believe it is going to be.

Anyways, just some food for thought …

http://www.imeem.com/popmusic23/music/VJN59GzO/weird_al_yankovic_dont_download_this_song/

You never do address any of the actual issues I present.
You always run away after ‘advertising’ Qtrax.

So how much of a stake DO you have in it anyway ?

Who he?

heh

Cheers!