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	<title>Comments on: Canada privacy commissioner rings DPI Bell</title>
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		<title>By: Some_Bloke</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-971164</link>
		<dc:creator>Some_Bloke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folk.

A quick trawl around the web will confirm that DPI is being trialled in the UK and in the US. In fact even Canadian websites will have their Intellectual Property intercepted for revenue generation as it passes through DPI scrutiny if the site is accesses by users in the UK/US, connected through participating ISPs .

We&#039;ve also had our fill of shills in forums, disinformation, removal of posts criticising DPI and members doing so, in forums run by British Telecom.

And yes, it is roughly equivalent to the postie opening your mail, promising not to read your bank statement, just to add &quot;relevant&quot; advertising flyers to your mail.

There&#039;s some interesting reading by one Dr Richard Clayton - an acknowledged authority (Use Google or the anonymous ixquick.com to look him up) - at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/080404phorm.pdf

https://nodpi.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folk.</p>
<p>A quick trawl around the web will confirm that DPI is being trialled in the UK and in the US. In fact even Canadian websites will have their Intellectual Property intercepted for revenue generation as it passes through DPI scrutiny if the site is accesses by users in the UK/US, connected through participating ISPs .</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve also had our fill of shills in forums, disinformation, removal of posts criticising DPI and members doing so, in forums run by British Telecom.</p>
<p>And yes, it is roughly equivalent to the postie opening your mail, promising not to read your bank statement, just to add &#8220;relevant&#8221; advertising flyers to your mail.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some interesting reading by one Dr Richard Clayton &#8211; an acknowledged authority (Use Google or the anonymous ixquick.com to look him up) &#8211; at <a href="http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/080404phorm.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/080404phorm.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="https://nodpi.org" rel="nofollow">https://nodpi.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968187</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Employed without regard to anyone, including the Office of the Privacy Commissioner (OPC).&quot;

In other words, &quot;business as usual&quot; for Bell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Employed without regard to anyone, including the Office of the Privacy Commissioner (OPC).&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, &#8220;business as usual&#8221; for Bell.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968185</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OPC says, &quot;We respectfully submit that before DPI technology is employed, careful consideration should be given to what impact it may have on individual privacy.&quot;

Its already employed! 

Employed without regard to anyone, including the Office of the Privacy Commissioner (OPC).

I want to be on the committee that audits this (at Bell&#039;s expense).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OPC says, &#8220;We respectfully submit that before DPI technology is employed, careful consideration should be given to what impact it may have on individual privacy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Its already employed! </p>
<p>Employed without regard to anyone, including the Office of the Privacy Commissioner (OPC).</p>
<p>I want to be on the committee that audits this (at Bell&#8217;s expense).</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968165</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Guns don&#039;t kill people... PEOPLE kill people!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Guns don&#8217;t kill people&#8230; PEOPLE kill people!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968153</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, the internet should treated like a utility, like water. I can use that water to drown someone or I can use it to water plants. Same (kind of) for the internet, I can use it for emailing a friend, or I can use it to download child porn. (I know, a bit of an extreme comparisson but still, gets the point across) Why should the internet be treated any different from water in the sense that it is a utility and that it really isnt anyones buissness what you use the utlilty (be it water or the internet for)? 

Im not saying child porn is good, or should be tolerated, I am jsut using it as an example</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, the internet should treated like a utility, like water. I can use that water to drown someone or I can use it to water plants. Same (kind of) for the internet, I can use it for emailing a friend, or I can use it to download child porn. (I know, a bit of an extreme comparisson but still, gets the point across) Why should the internet be treated any different from water in the sense that it is a utility and that it really isnt anyones buissness what you use the utlilty (be it water or the internet for)? </p>
<p>Im not saying child porn is good, or should be tolerated, I am jsut using it as an example</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968147</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was expecting somebody to scream child porn and terrorism.&quot;

Give them time...
Give them time.

Those are the 2 universal wild cards they always end up pulling out when they see their mission failing.

In the immortal words of Dubya, September 12, 2001 (one day after)...
&quot;Let&#039;s not give creedence to any OUTRAGEOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES, designed to take the attention away from THE TERRORISTS...&quot;

To think he WAS a paid shill.
: )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was expecting somebody to scream child porn and terrorism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Give them time&#8230;<br />
Give them time.</p>
<p>Those are the 2 universal wild cards they always end up pulling out when they see their mission failing.</p>
<p>In the immortal words of Dubya, September 12, 2001 (one day after)&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Let&#8217;s not give creedence to any OUTRAGEOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES, designed to take the attention away from THE TERRORISTS&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>To think he WAS a paid shill.<br />
: )</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968139</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Child porn and terrorism is what some gov lobbyists will scream in relation to the Lawful Access Act (MITA) they want to push, and which is easy to setup on the major telco&#039;s DPI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Child porn and terrorism is what some gov lobbyists will scream in relation to the Lawful Access Act (MITA) they want to push, and which is easy to setup on the major telco&#8217;s DPI.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968138</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol DevilsAdvocate if they&#039;re paid shills their doing a terrible job. Good luck defending DPI and privacy concerns William.  &quot;conspiracy&quot; is what your fellow PR are going with? really? I was expecting somebody to scream child porn and terrorism. 

Damn google bot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol DevilsAdvocate if they&#8217;re paid shills their doing a terrible job. Good luck defending DPI and privacy concerns William.  &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; is what your fellow PR are going with? really? I was expecting somebody to scream child porn and terrorism. </p>
<p>Damn google bot.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968137</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. http://www.cippic.ca/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&amp;cntnt01articleid=357

2. http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/CIPPIC_RequestforIndGuidelines-DPI-BehTarg_25July08.pdf

3. http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/Rogers_PIPEDA_complaint_DPI_25July08.pdf

4. http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/Shaw_PIPEDA_complaint_DPI_25July08.pdf

5. http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/Eastlink_PIPEDA_complaint_DPI_25July08.pdf

Ding-Ding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. <a href="http://www.cippic.ca/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&amp;cntnt01articleid=357" rel="nofollow">http://www.cippic.ca/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&amp;cntnt01articleid=357</a></p>
<p>2. <a href="http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/CIPPIC_RequestforIndGuidelines-DPI-BehTarg_25July08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/CIPPIC_RequestforIndGuidelines-DPI-BehTarg_25July08.pdf</a></p>
<p>3. <a href="http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/Rogers_PIPEDA_complaint_DPI_25July08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/Rogers_PIPEDA_complaint_DPI_25July08.pdf</a></p>
<p>4. <a href="http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/Shaw_PIPEDA_complaint_DPI_25July08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/Shaw_PIPEDA_complaint_DPI_25July08.pdf</a></p>
<p>5. <a href="http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/Eastlink_PIPEDA_complaint_DPI_25July08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cippic.ca/uploads/Eastlink_PIPEDA_complaint_DPI_25July08.pdf</a></p>
<p>Ding-Ding</p>
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		<title>By: Ding Ding</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968135</link>
		<dc:creator>Ding Ding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL

UK mobile phone firms to sell data about customer activity
http://www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=617871
&quot;The companies have been collecting the information over the past year and will use it in an attempt to generate more advertising. News that the industry has been monitoring what users do on the mobile web is likely to infuriate privacy campaigners.

The industry&#039;s body, the GSM Association (GSMA), believes that providing potential advertisers with better information about what people do online will help create the sort of advertising ecosystem seen on the fixed-line internet. In the current economic climate, where even online advertising growth is slowing dramatically, many in the industry fear companies will abandon mobile advertising altogether.

Advertisers, however, are only expected to get a real benefit from the data once it is integrated with demographic information which will allow them to target advertising campaigns at specific segments of society.&quot;
===

And the privacy commissioner touches on many topics of concerns, to name a few Â»Â»Â»

    * User profiling
    * Targeted advertising
    * Behavioral advertizing
    * A usersâ entire online history
    * User Tracking
    * Lack of consent
    * Lack of adequate opt-in and opt-out
    * Age of the target (user)
    * Disclosure of all this information
    * Safeguarding all of this information
    * Lack of user awareness to the above happening
    * How profiling can lead to identifying a person even if anonymized
    * Redirection of usersâ communications
    * In addition DPI privacy implications when used with cell and wireless/mobile devices

Also, this is but ONE example, one link, one story. ;) There are many more from the US and UK.

Ding-Ding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>
<p>UK mobile phone firms to sell data about customer activity<br />
<a href="http://www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=617871" rel="nofollow">http://www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=617871</a><br />
&#8220;The companies have been collecting the information over the past year and will use it in an attempt to generate more advertising. News that the industry has been monitoring what users do on the mobile web is likely to infuriate privacy campaigners.</p>
<p>The industry&#8217;s body, the GSM Association (GSMA), believes that providing potential advertisers with better information about what people do online will help create the sort of advertising ecosystem seen on the fixed-line internet. In the current economic climate, where even online advertising growth is slowing dramatically, many in the industry fear companies will abandon mobile advertising altogether.</p>
<p>Advertisers, however, are only expected to get a real benefit from the data once it is integrated with demographic information which will allow them to target advertising campaigns at specific segments of society.&#8221;<br />
===</p>
<p>And the privacy commissioner touches on many topics of concerns, to name a few Â»Â»Â»</p>
<p>    * User profiling<br />
    * Targeted advertising<br />
    * Behavioral advertizing<br />
    * A usersâ entire online history<br />
    * User Tracking<br />
    * Lack of consent<br />
    * Lack of adequate opt-in and opt-out<br />
    * Age of the target (user)<br />
    * Disclosure of all this information<br />
    * Safeguarding all of this information<br />
    * Lack of user awareness to the above happening<br />
    * How profiling can lead to identifying a person even if anonymized<br />
    * Redirection of usersâ communications<br />
    * In addition DPI privacy implications when used with cell and wireless/mobile devices</p>
<p>Also, this is but ONE example, one link, one story. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  There are many more from the US and UK.</p>
<p>Ding-Ding</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968130</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to know it&#039;s happening?

Russian secret services like FSB are short on cash, so they are monitoring the MSK-IX hub and are selling e-mail addresses to spammers.

Otherwise how would you explain that you start getting spam after you transmit an e-mail from some-unusual-address@domain1.ru to another-unusual-address@domain2.ru (those addresses being brand new).

So, this traffic data is to be sold to the highest bidder, unless Bell is taken over by a lesser asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to know it&#8217;s happening?</p>
<p>Russian secret services like FSB are short on cash, so they are monitoring the MSK-IX hub and are selling e-mail addresses to spammers.</p>
<p>Otherwise how would you explain that you start getting spam after you transmit an e-mail from <a href="mailto:some-unusual-address@domain1.ru">some-unusual-address@domain1.ru</a> to <a href="mailto:another-unusual-address@domain2.ru">another-unusual-address@domain2.ru</a> (those addresses being brand new).</p>
<p>So, this traffic data is to be sold to the highest bidder, unless Bell is taken over by a lesser asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968125</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t finish the round if I&#039;m deleted, but thats par for the course with your types isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t finish the round if I&#8217;m deleted, but thats par for the course with your types isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968123</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ding-Ding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ding-Ding</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968122</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the shills are out today, aren&#039;t they?!
Yes, indeed, and in classic form - making sure the terms &quot;hyperbole&quot;, &quot;conspiracy theorists&quot; and &quot;tin foil&quot; come into play immediately!

All I can say about that is, if they&#039;re PAID shills, someone&#039;s wasting their money.
And, if they&#039;re doing it for free, they must have been sniffin&#039; from the same glue tube as Colin Mochrie.

Bell admitted to using DPI, and confessed to its capabilities.
But, Bell didn&#039;t do this right away, did they?  No, they completely denied doing anything that would have caused an impeded connection or download... until they could no longer maintain the lie.

Then, it was time for Bell to spin it.
The DPI technology was completely downplayed as having very little ability to do anything but &quot;look at headers&quot;.
Meanwhile, it was quite easy to see that BitTorrent activity was being effectively savotaged (even at the expense of VoIP functionality and other &quot;collateral damage&quot; at times).

Then came the &quot;peak times&quot; story.  (A scenario that Bell has never been publicly proven to exist.)
&quot;We need to address the issue of congestion during peak times.&quot;
Actual times were never defined, nor was any effort ever made to return full service during said undefined times, should congestion not exist.  Bell simply &quot;enhanced the users&#039; experience&quot; (oh, pul-leeeze!) for 10 HOURS PER DAY, without justifying anything, while continuing to take 100% of the users&#039; subscription payments!

Then came the mother of all conspiracy theories.
&quot;5% of our users are consuming 90% of our bandwidth using P2P.&quot;
Now, that&#039;s what I call an &quot;Official Story&quot;!
I&#039;m sure the 9/11 Commission must have had a hand in writing that one!

Talk about &quot;conspiracy theories&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the shills are out today, aren&#8217;t they?!<br />
Yes, indeed, and in classic form &#8211; making sure the terms &#8220;hyperbole&#8221;, &#8220;conspiracy theorists&#8221; and &#8220;tin foil&#8221; come into play immediately!</p>
<p>All I can say about that is, if they&#8217;re PAID shills, someone&#8217;s wasting their money.<br />
And, if they&#8217;re doing it for free, they must have been sniffin&#8217; from the same glue tube as Colin Mochrie.</p>
<p>Bell admitted to using DPI, and confessed to its capabilities.<br />
But, Bell didn&#8217;t do this right away, did they?  No, they completely denied doing anything that would have caused an impeded connection or download&#8230; until they could no longer maintain the lie.</p>
<p>Then, it was time for Bell to spin it.<br />
The DPI technology was completely downplayed as having very little ability to do anything but &#8220;look at headers&#8221;.<br />
Meanwhile, it was quite easy to see that BitTorrent activity was being effectively savotaged (even at the expense of VoIP functionality and other &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; at times).</p>
<p>Then came the &#8220;peak times&#8221; story.  (A scenario that Bell has never been publicly proven to exist.)<br />
&#8220;We need to address the issue of congestion during peak times.&#8221;<br />
Actual times were never defined, nor was any effort ever made to return full service during said undefined times, should congestion not exist.  Bell simply &#8220;enhanced the users&#8217; experience&#8221; (oh, pul-leeeze!) for 10 HOURS PER DAY, without justifying anything, while continuing to take 100% of the users&#8217; subscription payments!</p>
<p>Then came the mother of all conspiracy theories.<br />
&#8220;5% of our users are consuming 90% of our bandwidth using P2P.&#8221;<br />
Now, that&#8217;s what I call an &#8220;Official Story&#8221;!<br />
I&#8217;m sure the 9/11 Commission must have had a hand in writing that one!</p>
<p>Talk about &#8220;conspiracy theories&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968107</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>conspiracy?

Are you saying this monetization of user data and monitization of profiling doesn&#039;t happen in the US and the UK?

Do you think Bell won&#039;t try this?

Oh wait... your the same guy who bought a Bell Samsung Instinct and insists there is no problem with paying 8$ or so just to use Email on the Bell network, while others have it for no charge. Same with Bell&#039;s GPS apps and blocked google maps... Same with IM... oh wait there is no need to worry about monetization of your private data now. 

Be happy, don&#039;t worry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>conspiracy?</p>
<p>Are you saying this monetization of user data and monitization of profiling doesn&#8217;t happen in the US and the UK?</p>
<p>Do you think Bell won&#8217;t try this?</p>
<p>Oh wait&#8230; your the same guy who bought a Bell Samsung Instinct and insists there is no problem with paying 8$ or so just to use Email on the Bell network, while others have it for no charge. Same with Bell&#8217;s GPS apps and blocked google maps&#8230; Same with IM&#8230; oh wait there is no need to worry about monetization of your private data now. </p>
<p>Be happy, don&#8217;t worry.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968106</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree john, now all we will get is the hyperbole from the conspiracy theorists once they pull the tinfoil of their head and of course our local gnome. Who jumps in to criticize Bell every time they are mentioned because he thinks they disconnected his phone on purpose so he couldnât call 911.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree john, now all we will get is the hyperbole from the conspiracy theorists once they pull the tinfoil of their head and of course our local gnome. Who jumps in to criticize Bell every time they are mentioned because he thinks they disconnected his phone on purpose so he couldnât call 911.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968103</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not be niaive, John.

First, I don&#039;t think anyone said this is happening. But rather, how do we know its not?

Second, are you the indipendant Bell DPI auditor to say this isn&#039;t happening? Nope.

Third, When Bell sends out their notice and slaps it in a persons file (notice-on-notice) is that person given a chance with Bell to say they didn&#039;t do it? Nope.

Fourth, Are you saying the Privacy Commissioner is wrong? She put out a fluff piece?

Only bad I see here is on Bell&#039;s side as was noted in her PDF to the CRTC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not be niaive, John.</p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t think anyone said this is happening. But rather, how do we know its not?</p>
<p>Second, are you the indipendant Bell DPI auditor to say this isn&#8217;t happening? Nope.</p>
<p>Third, When Bell sends out their notice and slaps it in a persons file (notice-on-notice) is that person given a chance with Bell to say they didn&#8217;t do it? Nope.</p>
<p>Fourth, Are you saying the Privacy Commissioner is wrong? She put out a fluff piece?</p>
<p>Only bad I see here is on Bell&#8217;s side as was noted in her PDF to the CRTC.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18587/comment-page-1#comment-968101</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really too bad you have absolutely no proof that any of this is happening.  None.  While I agree with the sentiment that it should not happen, I have to disagree with your stance of &quot;what if&quot;.  I have knives in my home and &quot;could&quot; hurt someone with them.  Should the police raid my home?  Remember innocent until proven guilty?  Whatever happened to that?

Good intent, bad results.  Sorry.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really too bad you have absolutely no proof that any of this is happening.  None.  While I agree with the sentiment that it should not happen, I have to disagree with your stance of &#8220;what if&#8221;.  I have knives in my home and &#8220;could&#8221; hurt someone with them.  Should the police raid my home?  Remember innocent until proven guilty?  Whatever happened to that?</p>
<p>Good intent, bad results.  Sorry.</p>
<p>John</p>
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