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		<title>By: www.eZee.se</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.eZee.se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Henry,
&gt;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Whatever doesnât get developed âabove-groundâ, will eventually be developed âundergroundâ &lt;/i&gt;

Not always Henry, I am a coder myself and had a few ideas that I wanted to try out by myself... but had to let them go due to possible legal issues from mr. MAFIAA man, and that idea kind of died away.

Maybe if a group decides to do something and then says no, a part of that group will take it underground, but if its a lone coder like me its quite possible a lot of ideas wont get passed because its also hard to know who to trust to pass the ideas on to someone else to carry the torch.

The **AA are always looking to make &#039;examples&#039; of people, to scare the rest of the population into obedience, its just not worth the risk for a guy like me.

&gt;&gt;but whether itâs âlegitimateâ or not, technological advance WILL continue. 
No argument there, but it will _usually_ continue at a slower pace, at least initially.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Henry,<br />
&gt;&gt;<i>Whatever doesnât get developed âabove-groundâ, will eventually be developed âundergroundâ </i></p>
<p>Not always Henry, I am a coder myself and had a few ideas that I wanted to try out by myself&#8230; but had to let them go due to possible legal issues from mr. MAFIAA man, and that idea kind of died away.</p>
<p>Maybe if a group decides to do something and then says no, a part of that group will take it underground, but if its a lone coder like me its quite possible a lot of ideas wont get passed because its also hard to know who to trust to pass the ideas on to someone else to carry the torch.</p>
<p>The **AA are always looking to make &#8216;examples&#8217; of people, to scare the rest of the population into obedience, its just not worth the risk for a guy like me.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;but whether itâs âlegitimateâ or not, technological advance WILL continue.<br />
No argument there, but it will _usually_ continue at a slower pace, at least initially.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18664/comment-page-1#comment-968759</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to take issue with Ray or anybody else, but all this assumes that threats of lawsuits and such will actually put a chill on the development of technology.  I don&#039;t see it.  Whatever doesn&#039;t get developed &quot;above-ground&quot;, will eventually be developed &quot;underground&quot; -- if there&#039;s even a difference anymore.  In a world where a bunch of disgruntled &quot;script kiddies&quot; can utterly trash months (years?) of DRM research, all of this thinking about &quot;angel investors&quot; and &quot;business models&quot; is ultimately beside the point.  If somebody manages to make a few bucks here and there, good on &#039;em, but whether it&#039;s &quot;legitimate&quot; or not, technological advance WILL continue. 

  Y&#039;know why?  If for no other reason, than that our (s)elected leaders NEED a mythology of &quot;national competitiveness&quot;. 
  Actually, as an American, given the last eight years of how the Bush administration handled &quot;the world&#039;s only superpower&quot;, I don&#039;t neccesarily see the serious downturn as a bad thing.  Maybe the United States doesn&#039;t DESERVE to be &quot;a great nation&quot; anymore.

   It&#039;ll be refreshing to watch the corporatocracy hamstring itself, and radicalize even MORE of the intelligent, resourceful, anti-authoritarian type folks to &quot;our&quot; side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to take issue with Ray or anybody else, but all this assumes that threats of lawsuits and such will actually put a chill on the development of technology.  I don&#8217;t see it.  Whatever doesn&#8217;t get developed &#8220;above-ground&#8221;, will eventually be developed &#8220;underground&#8221; &#8212; if there&#8217;s even a difference anymore.  In a world where a bunch of disgruntled &#8220;script kiddies&#8221; can utterly trash months (years?) of DRM research, all of this thinking about &#8220;angel investors&#8221; and &#8220;business models&#8221; is ultimately beside the point.  If somebody manages to make a few bucks here and there, good on &#8216;em, but whether it&#8217;s &#8220;legitimate&#8221; or not, technological advance WILL continue. </p>
<p>  Y&#8217;know why?  If for no other reason, than that our (s)elected leaders NEED a mythology of &#8220;national competitiveness&#8221;.<br />
  Actually, as an American, given the last eight years of how the Bush administration handled &#8220;the world&#8217;s only superpower&#8221;, I don&#8217;t neccesarily see the serious downturn as a bad thing.  Maybe the United States doesn&#8217;t DESERVE to be &#8220;a great nation&#8221; anymore.</p>
<p>   It&#8217;ll be refreshing to watch the corporatocracy hamstring itself, and radicalize even MORE of the intelligent, resourceful, anti-authoritarian type folks to &#8220;our&#8221; side.</p>
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		<title>By: hackers/pirates of the world unite</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/18664/comment-page-1#comment-968715</link>
		<dc:creator>hackers/pirates of the world unite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya know why its easier to sue them then people as its less bad press.
At least until you get this defense.

The hard core o fit thus sounds like this;

In there reasoning they say that because a hammer can and has been used to murder people as well as baseball bats and pencils and pens , we have ot make the stores and places you can acquire such things illegal because they can be used in and offense instead of going after the people that are in fact doing things.

YUP were all guilty now regardless of its use, even though by the testimony of ifpi CEO it snot p2p tech on trial it is , that is what his statement was all about and then he raised the debate question another had raised about whether it even affects sales.
WELL when you remove the riaa and ifpi and mpaa , that&#039;s the entire side of distribution that p2p does, so by there reasoning
if na artist gets 50 cents of a 15$ album the mpaa should pay me 14.50 to download it. Then ill send the artist his 50 cents
there fore the artist cant expect me the person doing the distribution , the burning and the labeling and paying for it all to give them anything as i have used 14.50 in value and they get 50 cents of the value of 15.00

remember hackers in an underworld dont care if you sue big companies and places we will make our stuff anyways so all your doing is putting things where you wont have any site NOR opensource freebies , we will keep it and keep it for ourselves and no longer will we share with a corporation. no longer will we give back. YOU have ( corporations ) shown to be as bad as the oligarchs of old russia and the evil north koreans and so called evil iran
Economic terrorism MUST BE FOUGHT AGAINST</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know why its easier to sue them then people as its less bad press.<br />
At least until you get this defense.</p>
<p>The hard core o fit thus sounds like this;</p>
<p>In there reasoning they say that because a hammer can and has been used to murder people as well as baseball bats and pencils and pens , we have ot make the stores and places you can acquire such things illegal because they can be used in and offense instead of going after the people that are in fact doing things.</p>
<p>YUP were all guilty now regardless of its use, even though by the testimony of ifpi CEO it snot p2p tech on trial it is , that is what his statement was all about and then he raised the debate question another had raised about whether it even affects sales.<br />
WELL when you remove the riaa and ifpi and mpaa , that&#8217;s the entire side of distribution that p2p does, so by there reasoning<br />
if na artist gets 50 cents of a 15$ album the mpaa should pay me 14.50 to download it. Then ill send the artist his 50 cents<br />
there fore the artist cant expect me the person doing the distribution , the burning and the labeling and paying for it all to give them anything as i have used 14.50 in value and they get 50 cents of the value of 15.00</p>
<p>remember hackers in an underworld dont care if you sue big companies and places we will make our stuff anyways so all your doing is putting things where you wont have any site NOR opensource freebies , we will keep it and keep it for ourselves and no longer will we share with a corporation. no longer will we give back. YOU have ( corporations ) shown to be as bad as the oligarchs of old russia and the evil north koreans and so called evil iran<br />
Economic terrorism MUST BE FOUGHT AGAINST</p>
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