its kewl to say no, that is an option. but the exercise was only an extended hand, nothing more, no disrespect implied from debate.i understand your ideology now, and actually apologize for previous preconceptions and jump-to-conclustions on my part. you are a proven intellect that i will further respect.

1. Despite my ability to (occasionally) put together a halfway-coherent presentation of ideas, and my increasing disdain for the thuggish bullshit of the RIAA and their fans, I’ll be the first one to tell you that I am neither “Techie” enough or clever enough to possibly be any kind of “underground” asset. Honest, dude — making Sam look stupid and incoherent really isn’t all that hard.

To be honest, don’t take this the wrong way, but I’ve got my own projects to do. There’s at least as much needs doing “above ground” as “underground.” In fact, after some discussion with Jon recently, I’ve decided to begin formulating some ideas, and stuff.

Thanks for the invite, Surfer. I don’t wanna sound paranoid, but the more I think about it, a public invitation to join an “underground” doesn’t seem particularly secure. I can honestly do more for “the cause” here.

Thanks, tho. I really mean it.

Chug one for me. I’d say for Jon as well, but what with his history and all that might come off sounding wrong somehow, but you get what I mean.

Anyhow, I want you and Dredsnik to do me a favor here:

Anytime you happen to see “Sam” attempting to weasel his way into a conversation here, or on another blog, polluting it with his jabbering, just paste in the link to this thread. DO NOT bother to “debate” the guy in any form. Do NOT attempt to give him the benefit of the doubt. Don’t even try, because it won’t work.

As to the invite to your underground?
Hmm….Dunno what to say to that, really. How would I go about contacting you?

this may be a drunk rant, but its better than anything you have posted to date…..

we are, and we are not going anywhere.

stw

when in fact, you never addressed any of the numerous factual incongruities in your philosophy that were posed to you by Henry. Not even the miniscule attempt by posting your ‘lady’ friends youtube extravaganza. if ‘cute, surfer’ is any indication, you must be either a mentally stunted sycophant, or a spineless RIAA mouthpiece.. im guessing either/or…

I would have stepped in, but Henry is just absolutely wearing your shill ass out with fact after fact. its more enjoyable watching you get outclassed with your own rhetoric to jump in and help in any fashion.

this thread in itself contains every retort to your narrowminded view of IP to even bother to respond. well done Henry, my count is Henry 12, Sammy 0. outclassed by a vermit eating ‘vanian, hahahahahahha

don’t go away mad SammyPoo, just go away.

That it does. That’s it for a while. A LONG while.

Sam He Was.

Cheers!

Sometimes you just gotta admit defeat, and, quite frankly, I’m defeated: there’s absolutely no possibility of EVER reasoning with him, or even getting him to understand the issues at all. When we try, we just get insults and bullshit.

Wow. I’m deeply, deeply dissapointed. Up until this last thing, I still tried to hold out some kind of grudging respect for Sam, but no more. Between all the bitch-slapping he gets from me, and watching his antics over on Ezee.se, it’s stunningly clear there’s no point.

As I said — wow.

“At the end of the day, doing well within the law is smart and we get paid, believe me, over and over and over. Pirates are just stupid and Jammie is the poster girl for you all. Go to jail, then, and see if we care. That’s how this will work out over time, because your squinty-eyed stupidity is the most telling attribute of this whole sad affair. See ya.”

Jon: seriously — I’ve deconstructed this stupid bastard over and over again — taken him to task for his bullshit — reduced him to the level of sputtering incoherence and personal attacks, and he still comes back.

Please, somebody else debate Roadie-boy next time — It’s pretty fuckin’ boring at this point.

(Back to the woodshed I go — my corncob pipe went out while I was typing this, my banjo needs a-tunin’, and the Missus says the squirrel’s done gettin’ cold)

” P2P Lover says:
September 27, 2008 at 1:36 pm

Sammy Read These!

Study Says Intellectual Property System Should Die:

http://torrentfreak.com/study-…..ie-080911/

http://levine.sscnet.ucla.edu/papers/pci23.pdf

http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc/S…../ghosh.asp

http://www.iprcommission.org/p….._study.pdf

This is how ridiculous the RIAA is being. I mean come on WTF! Suing a blogger???:

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9…..r+Blogging”

Does it work?
Does it EVER work with this stupid bastard?

Well now, this last little bit IS exciting:

1. “They try to extort me for use of their music in my shows”: well fuck you, you whiny little bitch. If you don’t like the terms-of-use, then shut the fuck up. That’s your mentality towards copyfight/p2p advocates, isn’t it, Sam? Now I’ll never be able to take this stupid, short-sighted fuckwit seriously again, under any circumstances.
You’d THINK (given this last little bitch-fest here, that he’d be in favor of scaled-back copyright terms and a more robust public domain (so as to not HAVE to get “extorted” by the RIAA on a routine basis) — but no, the stupid, sanctimonious jackass doesn’t even seem to be able to connect the dots in a case where the RIAA is FUCKING HIM OVER, too!

Oh, and lets not ignore his nice little jab about Jimmy’s “Mom’s computer (LOL)!”

Holy shit, Sam — are you really that goddamn stupid?
And the saddest part of the whole thing is that the people “debating” him aren’t giving him half the bitch-slapping he gets from me on a routine basis, and he STILL gets all pissy about it.

I repeat: wow.

Oh goody goody gumdrops, mercy mercy me — he even used the fucked-up nonsense about “so what do YOU do for a living” on other boards, too? Holy christ, this guy’s a piece of work. How in the fuck do you answer a question like that “correctly”, I ask you?

1. If you’re not a lawyer or lobbyist, he claims it’s “not your area of expertise”.
2. If you ARE a lawyer (like Ray, for example), he dismisses that out of hand and classes you as an ambulance chaser.
3. If you happen to live in Pennsylvania, you’re royally fucked, because he’ll try to use that against you.

Wow, this stuff is fuckin’ classic, thanks Ezee!

I was BEGINNING to take this personally, but now I see that him for what he is: a hopped-up lighting guy who figures kissing RIAA ass is a great way to ensure that expiration doesn’t “take” anything from his daughter.

Damn.

Suure, Sam — “NObody” wants privacy laws gutted, but it just sorta kinda “has to” happen. (Just like nobody really “wanted” waterboarding, but it just sorta kinda needed to happen for reasons of “national security”. Just like “nobody” really wanted to destroy the public domain, but Disney really, really really really NEEDED that extra twenty years, etc. etc. at nauseum boo hoo hoo, you poor little shill.

Yet again, you insist on claiming that Intellectual “property” and physical objects are equivalent — despite having it explained to you over and over and over that they’re not. I challenge you right now, Sam: name me ONE instance where the title to PHYSICAL porperty is set up to expire. Oh wait, you can’t, because there ISN’T any.
(But then again, what should I expect from a hopped-up lightshow-designer with delusions of grandeur?)

Honestly, Sam — pitiful.

Uh, so tell us all exactly how your daughter will be able to “leverage” that IP “as she sees fit, until expiration takes it from her”.
How in the HELL does one go about “leveraging” IP related to “lighting shows, fashion show catwalk design, showcase ventilation(!!!!) and certain proprietary effects?” What, do you have a patent on a special type of dry-ice machine or something?
I mean, come on, seriously — “showcase ventilation????” And somehow, you figured you could intimidate me — and everybody else you ever “debate” on blogs etc. — like that? Damn.

Did you used to make/sell “special” brownies at Dead shows, by any chance?
(Methinks you did, Sambo, ‘cuz the only way you could be THIS dumb THIS often is if you’re stoned out of your mind.

“Today my firm licenses design support and touring consultation to entertainment, exhibit and special theatrical events the world over, but we are just as likely to do a fashion show or museum exhibit as we are something to do with theatre or music. If illegal downloading succeeds in destroying the value of IP and copyright in general, my employees are done and this business is over.”

So he used to basically be a roadie, doing lighting for shows. But, wait — I thought his “area of expertise” was in copyright law. But no, alas — he’s a lighting designer, who just happens to be able to “leverage” the current IP regs in his favor. Leaving aside the fact that most of the “licensing” is probably hashed out by his lawyers, if he’s involved in the day-to-day of the business, but we’ll let that pass.

I gather from the above that he figures the “value of IP and copyright in general” derives from it’s status as a monopoly (hence his not shying away from the phrase “and the payments they compel”. It makes sense that he’d actively support the lobbying efforts of the RIAA nd their ilk. The above-quoted passage also confirms that — despite all his bloviating to the contrary — he is not an IP attorney, historian, legal expert, professional lobbyist, or anything else. He’s a hopped-up roadie (oh wait, I mean “design consultant”) for theaters and fashion-shows and such.

So much for his bullshit about my being a “backwoods amateur”. (What can I say — I’ll cut the guy a break, maybe the ‘ludes had just kicked in or something.)

“It’s hard to imagine the worlds governments will allow the destruction of the internet as a secure business platform just because of a few potty-mouthed, digital shoplifters”

Well, there goes another of my cherished illusions — namely, that he’s even actively participating in our “discussions” here.
What’d he say about the evil of “cutting and pasting?” Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he use the exact same “potty-mouthed shoplifter” line when I — rather gently — corrected him in regard to the “Statute of Anne?” Oh wait, my bad — THAT time he said “shop-lifting potty-mouth”.

“This was never going to go well for “taking without paying” in the long run, CJ. Pirates just got out ahead of law and its enforcement for awhile, and took stuff without paying while they could. It was never very honorable. Hiding on the internet says a lot about their courage, too.”

Yet another recycled phrase from what seems to be his stock repertoire (wonder if he “licenses” that out to other RIAA shills as well)
“Taking without paying”, Sam? Like, what’ll happen when expiration “takes” from your daughter? (smirk)

Does anybody know how to make one of those Java-based “mad-lib” things? You know — like, the “automatic movie plot generator” or “automatic star trek episode generator”? It’d be pretty simple to sift through all of his jabbering RIAA boilerplate and insults, and create a program that could automatically generate “Sam-I-Am” style commentary on p2p/copyfight-related blogs.
Hell, we’d be doing the guy a favor — instead of badgering us, he could spend more time designing light-shows, and cozying up to his RIAA pals.

“And a question, CJ. If you want to be taken seriously and establish a productive dialog here, why do you publish crap like “Now fuck you and your mother you riaa shill.” We attend seminars, meet with our legislators, create new valuable content for license and support legislated higher penalties so we can get on with the businesses we’ve built. You guys are like shoplifters to us. But you don’t help your cause publishing remarks like that, CJ. All that shows is how outclassed pirates really are in this debate.”

Outclassed? I mean, Sam, like — seriously?
ME == history of IP law/it’s abuses, stuff about how propaganda fails bigtime, links to “stupid Valenti tricks”, Thomas Jefferson quotes, etc.
YOU == “You’re just a shoplifting, potty-mouthed, Backwoods Amateur pussy who never managed to escape from Pennsylvania!”

ME == “You didn’t actually answer the question, Sam”
YOU == “Aww, yer just cutting and pasting!!!!!!!! Fogel, Fogel Fogel Nyah Nyah Nyah!”

I mean, seriously???? For real???? “Outclassed?
Pardon me while I —– hahahahahaha, oh damn, that’s rich, it really is!
I can’t actually even give you the “benefit of the doubt” after that, Sam.
I can’t even bring myself to detest you anymore: after all the piss-whimpering, RIAA fanboy boilerplate, and paens to the wonders of our glorious capitalist system, you turn out to be a hopped-up ROADIE with PTSD flashbacks about Pennsylvania, who uses phrases like “shop-lifting pottymouth” and “backwoods amateur”, and can’t even tell the difference between “disseminating” and “dissembling?”

Jesus weasels — I’ve been sparring with a hopped-up roadie
(and Here I thought when you said you designed “creative IP” it was something like novelty sex-toys!)

“immy says:
September 27, 2008 at 11:49 am

@Sam, the reason most people reply to you in a manner such as mrl here and on other forums is because we see you for the RIAA shill and liar that you are.
I knew i read some other posts from you on this issue and i finally found it, you wanted jammie to lose from the beginning and pay that huge unjust fine so dont pretent otherwise, here are some of the comments you posted:

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if Jammie loses the “making available” argument, she loses big. But if she wins? We ALL LOSE BIG
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and 2
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So we’d all better hope that Jammie loses this “making available” argument, and begins to pay her fine. Because if she “wins”—
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This is from your rant here:
http://ezee.se/articles-blog/2…..ger-a-gun/

@CJ, personally, i dont think you shoud have edited the comment at all, leave it as is, but hey, this is your site ”

Whoa! Whoever that “Jimmy” guy is, he has my respect! To think, somebody else who gives enough of a shit about your pitiful little roadie ass to bother chasing down all your varous lines of bullshit — it does my “Backwoodds Amateur” heart good.

Henry, a bit of a warning though, its a lonnnng read with a few comments from your namsis , wish I could give you the gist of it but that would be a lot of text as well.

Not that I hold anything against Sam, even tho’ he so kindly opened his heart to us, giving us a friendly kick when we were down: http://ezee.se/articles-blog/2009/02/10/an-ezee-pause/

Cheers,
CJ