Comments on: Kutiman – [brilliant] Art Outlaw

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:51:41 +0000

watch all of the kutiman videos at http://matisyahu.co.uk
Also loads of other cool israeli music and matisyahu.

By: Keith.

Keith. — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:42:38 +0000

The music industry is losing its grip. I hope they didn’t think they could monopolize art and feed us bullshit forever. Kutiman should not be repressed because his art is a metaphor for something the world really needs to realize. We’re one entity.

By: wilburM

wilburM — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:35:51 +0000

I am a strong proponent of copyrights… I think you can be copyright-friendly and still appreciate Kutiman’s right to do this kind of collage, with attribution. It’s not really all that different from collage or random tape loops in Beatles songs. Kutiman gives more to the copyright owners of these videos than they could ever have hoped to see via his exploitation. If you don’t want to participate in the forced collaboration, then I have no doubt Kuitman and his ilk wouldn’t see the need to use you. The argument used to be that Dre had to pay for those samples because it was the quality and recognizable nature of the sampled tracks that made the derivative works valuable. that hardly holds water in light of what Kutiman used to make his work. It’s like building a mansion from stuff you found at a garbage dump. He created the value and is still pushing credit, viewers, and rewards onto the sampled artists… this is IMO way better a situation than the majority of artists, songwriters, & producers who got piddly squat from record labels and traditional record sales/radio play. I’d much rather have a new paradigm, where we recognize that all of our art is just a tool to get recognition; we derive revenue in other ways and after the fact of our notoriety. It’s a new world.

By: Songdreamer

Songdreamer — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:31:45 +0000

you can find all of the videos at the following sites.

1: thru-you.com

2: youtube.com/kutiman

3: youtube.com/downwithutube

you can also download a copy of the album or individual tracks @

thru-you.org

By: Niv Singer

Niv Singer — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:38:42 +0000

In case the http://thru-you.com site is down, and “unofficial” mirror site was set up here http://www.innerlogics.com/media/kutiman/

By: Jon

Jon — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:07:30 +0000

^^ In any light he’s amazing.

Cheers!

By: Devil's Advocate

Devil's Advocate — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:04:09 +0000

@Crosbie:
Yeah, I was thinking that’s what was going on, I just wasn’t sure (arriving late to this story).
In that light, the guy’s amazing!
(Thanks, Crosbie.)

By: Henry Emrich

Henry Emrich — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:24:23 +0000

“The elders among us have simply grown up with the idea that itâs wrong to share and build upon each otherâs published work without obtaining permission first. One day this will be looked back on as a ridiculous cultural aberration.”

It’s actually worse than that, Crosby:

The “Elders” have grown up with the notion that they have a “sacred right”, NOT merely to monopolies such as copyright and patents, but the “sacred right” to break THEIR side of that contract by not allowing them to expire as originally promised. That’s the essense of the whole issue: every copyright extension is ultimately tantamount to “breach of contract”: it WOULD have expired on time, but now it won’t. Reason? Whining + Money = Law.

Even a “backwoods amateur” such as myself gets that much.

I’d gladly continue this discussion, but that would probably involve me “cut and pasting” something like links or quotations, and our pal “Sam” would end up having an aneurysm. Dunno about you, but I don’t wanna be responsible if they find him slumped over his desk, crumpled printout of the DMCA clutched lovingly to his chest. That’d make me really sad. (I mean, whoever would they get to design the next motorcycling campaign in Munich or whatever it was.)

By: Crosbie Fitch

Crosbie Fitch — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:18:24 +0000

The point is that Kutiman’s musical instruments are other people’s videos, and they have an automatic privilege of copyright, which means he either obtains permission from everyone or they get to prosecute him for infringement (if they can afford it), and can otherwise have his work taken down from YouTube under the DMCA. Copyright suspends what would otherwise be a musician’s natural liberty to build upon others’ published work. I think that is not only questionable, but highly unethical. Unfortunately, it’s the most I can do to convince people to at least question this state of affairs.

The elders among us have simply grown up with the idea that it’s wrong to share and build upon each other’s published work without obtaining permission first. One day this will be looked back on as a ridiculous cultural aberration.

By: Devil's Advocate

Devil's Advocate — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:33:07 +0000

@Henry:
If it is Bell that’s doing it, it would through the use of DPI.
(Any other method wouldn’t be worth their while, from where I’m sitting.)
But, if they are doing it with DPI, there’s nothing a user like me could do to circumvent it, as it would be the actual connection attempt to the destination being tossed as it passes through the “main pipe” itself.

[cringe!]
Just thinking about Bell and DPI is getting me into a “funk”!
: )

By: Devil's Advocate

Devil's Advocate — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:26:00 +0000

“Maybe you are indeed being shafted by the cartel …”

It is possible that Bell’s DPI is throwing away connection attempts from its network to selected sites.
I would never put that past Bell, naturally. Such a scenario IS why we DPI needs to be completely outlawed.

I’m just not so sure anything like that is actually happening here.
Those links are pretty well the only ones I’ve had that particular error from.
However, the YouTube links certainly work.

The music’s certainly solid. Nice dense blend of funk/reggae/hiphop.
Has promise. But, how does this thing all fit together here?
Is Kutiman the mixer, a player and/or singer…?

Most of the YouTube posts begin with “I’m NOT Kutiman”.
I know I’m still missing half of the point.

By: Crosbie Fitch

Crosbie Fitch — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:40:04 +0000

Here's the first one: Kutiman - 01 - Mother of All Funk Chords 2nd: Kutiman - 02 - This Is What It Became 3rd: Kutiman - 03 - I'm New (I like!) Maybe you are indeed being shafted by the cartel keen to ensure you have no access to channels they don't control?

By: Henry Emrich

Henry Emrich — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:17:01 +0000

DA:

Why not use one of the free VPN’s?
Tunnel right past your “Bell” thing?
(I’m not super-techie, but would that work?

By: Devil's Advocate

Devil's Advocate — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:59:29 +0000

Since neither link will work from here, I’m going to assume it’s a “Bell thing”.
So I pulled up what YouTube had, which seem to be 3 songs multiple times, featuring “Karolina” / “Funk’n’stein”/”Sabbo”/etc.

If this is what you’re talking about, I think I’m missing the point.

By: Jon

Jon — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:03:35 +0000

^^ Just tried it and it’s OK for me.

Cheers!

By: Crosbie Fitch

Crosbie Fitch — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:10:27 +0000

Bung Kutiman into YouTube if all else fails…

By: Devil's Advocate

Devil's Advocate — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:49:09 +0000

I’m still getting the permission error on both links.
Maybe it’s just really busy.

By: Crosbie Fitch

Crosbie Fitch — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:56:58 +0000

If it gets overloaded you can bung .nyud.net on the end of the URL to get a cached version, e.g.

http://thru-you.com/#/videos/2/.nyud.net

By: Jon

Jon — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:35:40 +0000

^^ Thanks. Fixed.

Cheers!

By: Devil's Advocate

Devil's Advocate — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:02:22 +0000

Jon,

The Thru-You link doesn’t resolve.
Looks like a “permission” error.