Jango, The Saga: Waiting for Dan
p2pnet news view Radio | P2P:- Earlier today, we ran Jango: the vanity press of online music from p2pnet contributor Fred Wilhelms, a well-known (on- and offline) entertainment lawyer.
He was writing on the appearance of Jango, yet another online radio payola operation whose name has absolutely nothing to do with Stars Wars bounty hunter Jango Fett.
In his article, a follow-up to New Radio Payola scheme,“In book publishing, there’s a greatly undistinguished side of the business known as the ‘vanity press’,” says Fred »»»
It is where the author pays the costs to have his book printed, bound and marketed, and he pays for his copies of the book. Normally, he gives away more than he sells. The vanity press has been responsible a lot of bad prose and even more bad poetry. Jango is the vanity press of Internet music.
Jango is legal. Paying for play in this way is legal. I’m not going to argue the ethics or morals, because the more you think about the economics of paying to entertain people, the wisdom of the argument makes those loftier considerations moot.
If Jango is a great success, it will be so filled with ’sound like’ musicians that listeners may never hear the group they went there to hear in the first place.
It could be the Internet equivalent of the popular restaurant Yogi Berra complained about when he said ‘Nobody goes there any more, it’s too crowded.’
“First – full disclosure,” said Deana Graffeo in a comment post, continuing, “While I’m not an employee, I work with Jango, and it’s my name that appears on the bottom of the press release issued to announce the launch of Jango Airplay.”
Seriously, Deana, thanks for saying who you are. Shills are so obvious and so boring and so trite, and they never achieve anything. Right Sam? Full disclosure, on the other hand, opens the door to genuine discussion where everyone knows what, or who, everyone else represents.
It’s called freedom of speech. Right, Sam?
“I read both today’s and yesterday`s articles with great interest – and while I can certainly respect the different point of view – I`m struck by the assumptions and misinformation that appear throughout,” Deana says, going on:
“But what I find most surprising is that at no time was Jango contacted for comment. The simple fact that information from the website was posted completely out of context and many assumptions were made without any regard for accuracy is pretty sad. Further to that – commentary from someone not-affiliated with the service is posted as follow up -there`s no debate here – where’s the balance? Dan Kaufman, Jango’s CEO is available, and would be most interested in speaking with you to address the potential issues and questions your articles raise. I encourage you to speak with him so your readers get a full picture and can decide for themselves. We look forward to hearing from you.”
In response, “Please tell Dan he’s free, and welcome, to join in the discussion with a comment post outlining his perspective on either or both stories … in full, and at any length,” I said.
And while we wait for Dan, below are two Reader’s Writes from the initial post, one anonynous, and one from Henry Emrich.
First, Henry »»»
So if I shell over a few hundred bucks, Jango will insinuate my stuff into people`s playlists? Where the hell is the choice in that, I ask you? If the site is about creating custom playlists of stuff you like â and finding stuff that`s similar to stuff you already like, that`s one thing. But to pay jango to force my stuff on people surreptitiously? Nah. So all I have to do â if I`m a savvy busnesslike type, is to pick a whole bunch of semi-random things I think I sound like: I sound like the Beatles, Mantovani orchestra, David Seville and the chipmunks, Eminem, and Billy Ray Cyrus, and â voilla! â large numbers of people are suddenly exposed to my stuff, which has been inserted into their custom-generated playlists, simply on the basis of me paying a few hundred bucks, and saying I sound like their favorites?
Sorry, but I really can`t get into the idea of paying Jango to pimp my stuff in that way.
2. What happens to artists who haven`t paid Jango? What if I like Zippy McWhipplefarb and his swingin` Kazoo band, but they haven`t bought time on Jango? Obviously â if Jango even bothers to have their stuff available â they`ll get bumped in favor of people who`ve paid Jango to plug their stuff.
The net result of this will be: custom, user-generated playlists which are inevitably skewed AWAY from what the listener would have chosen, and full of the stuff Jango WANTS you to hear. So the custom playlists won`t actually be playlists/stations of your own choosing, now will they?
Another result is that if acts didn`t pay Jango, their stuff gets tossed to the bottom â and you can bet that the majors will be throwing money at Jango like mad, just like they skew broadcast-radio playlists in their favor.
It`s stupid, overpriced, payola bullshit.
I dunno, but this just stinks of the same old pay-for-hype that made Milli Vanilli stars.
Something fundamentally wrong with the notion of buying popularity.
And then anonymous »»»
I’m not sure the reader’s write above might be old enough to remember the radio days of yore. Let me sort of expand on the olden radio days during the heyday of music.
You have a great new tune? Not affiliated with the major labels? Well, you could go to the DJ, ask him really nicely, and he was likely to put your tune on for radio land to hear. You as a listener got to hear new tunes that just might be exactly what your ear canals have always been yearning for. Beyond setting up getting it into a container for the radio station that it could use, that was about the only cost.
Then came along the likes of ClearChannel, who went on a buying spree of radio stations across the nation. When that wasn’t enough, ClearChannel got involved in politics and an even greater amount of radio stations were allowed for them to be bought. ClearChannel depended on payolla to keep the bucks rolling in along with commercials. For being paid by the major studios, they would see that the tune was played x amount of times. Radio DJ’s had their option of putting on whatever local talent might be taken away from them. They would only play what play lists, the head of scheduling laid out. Otherwise ClearChannel couldn’t rake in as much dough.
Later even DJs were removed from local radio stations and they became rebroadcast stations sucking in from a common program and just repeating the signal. Call one of those radio stations sometime with a local emergency you need to get on the air. Won’t happen because there is no one there to take the phone call.
Now you never hear new music on the stations, unless it is on the list from the majors as being groomed for the next top 40 hit. Every hour is the same tunes played over and over. You don’t get new music, unless it is on a syndicated show like a Sunday special program.
The other half of the income, the commercial, became so heavily laced into the programming, that it was like the music was the excuse to air commercials. ClearChannel was forced to reduce commercial air time because they were hemorrhaging listeners leaving for other ways to hear music. While they made a big deal of it and how it was to benefit the listener, the real truth of it was they had no choice in the matter as they were driving off their listeners through so much advertisement.
So we come down to another service trying to make money on something that should be for free. What most of these outfits do, is wait till they got a large audience or user group and then try and turn that into a money making scheme. I call you to FaceBook as a prime example of that mentality. Where this winds up if they are successful is they figure out new income streams that double dip, such as the commercial plus payolla scheme. It’s rather lucrative for everyone but the listener who is stuck with blah, day after day. The service starts out with a nice income and down the road gets greedy. That in turn ruins the experience for the audience and drives them on to other places, their once favorite place turned into some site they no longer recognize.
Because it is totally optional it tells me that they have a little scheme going. You pay us, we’ll advertise you, otherwise you don’t get any special recognition. In essence that is what these groups are buying. Despite what all commercial broadcasters, radio stations, newspapers, magazines and on and on tell you about ads being so desired to reduce costs, they are in truth a major annoyance. They are purposely cut out of tv series if you find them to download. People actively seek and find ways to terminate advertisements so they can enjoy what ever it is they want without that annoyance. They recognize just how bad it is. It’s the last thing the broadcasters want to see because it effects their income stream.
I’ve had it with the commercial. Ever since I quit watching tv, I have become sensitized to these intrusive breaks in programming. Call me a drop out but if it looks like advertisement, sounds like advertisement, and feels like advertisement, then it ain’t a duck.
Stay tuned.
March, 2009
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March 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I HATE commercials !
March 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
@ surfer:
Sorry. This was meant to be a post, not an advert for Jango. Humble apologies
Cheers!
March 6th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
no, i know, I was referring to anonâs readersâ write. not the actual article
stw
I know you know. I was but jesting – couldn’t resist. heh – Cheers!
March 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
The wait is over (i’m honored by the way)…
Hi, Dan Kaufman, CEO of Jango here… just a few notes on how Jango Airplay actually works and why we think this is a great way for emerging artists to get guaranteed plays to people who like their kind of music – and for users to discover emerging artists they would otherwise never have discovered.
- Guaranteed amount of plays.
Fred Wilhelms seems to think that when we receive an Airplay song, all we do is put it into our system as a “similar artist” and if it gets played it gets played. That’s not the case, we pro-actively play it the exact amount of times the emerging artist has paid for â along with a display ad encouraging our users to tell us what they think of this emerging artistâs song and to support the artist by becoming a fan, etc if they like it.
- Results reporting.
Fred seems to think there’s no insight into how the plays are delivered. That’s not the case – emerging artists can log in and see exactly how many plays they’ve had – and they can also decide in what time frame we should play them (1 week, 1 month, etc). When their plays are up, they receive a report with the full breakdown by age, gender and musical taste of the people that liked (and disliked) their
song. In addition, they can communicate directly with all the people that choose to become their fans on Jango.
- Exact artist targeting
We only play Airplay songs to people who like popular artists the artist has chosen. If he/she wants to be played next to Velvet Underground, we’ll only play the song to people who like Velvet Underground – and NOT next to “similar artists” to Velvet Underground as Fred is suggesting (ie no sandwiching in between Beach Boys and Rolling Stones), so the targeting is both precise and relevant.
- Size & targeting
Fred also seems to think that there will somehow not be enough opportunities to play an Airplay song, and that the plays will never be delivered. With six million monthly uniques and 400,000 visits to Jango every day, there’s a tremendous number of songs being played every day and plenty of opportunities to play an emerging artist, so Fred’s point that it will all be diluted and never delivered isn’t correct.
- Quality review
We review all songs to ensure that they are of certain quality, and that the “similar artists” chosen makes sense – ie no song will be played next to any randomly selected popular artists like both Billy Ray Cyrus and Chris Brown. And you’d be surprised at the artistic
quality of the songs we’re getting. Just because you’re not established doesn’t mean you’re bad – and artists serious enough about their career to spend money on promotion are generally much better than you’d think. The fact that our users have really liked the emerging artists we’ve played so far totally supports that.
- Listener control
First of all, our listeners want to discover new music. And with “Jango Airplay” we give them an opportunity to discover emerging artists they would never be able to find otherwise. Also, we only play an “airplay song” every 20 songs or so – and never more than once a day to any given user. And if they don’t like it, all they need to do is skip.
So far, our users have reacted very positively. On average, 10% of users give an airplay song positive ratings, write a comment or even become a fan of the artist!
- Royalties
We pay royalties for every song that’s played – Airplay or not â so any artist signed up with SoundExchange will get their cut of that.
I hope this clarifies. We’re convinced that Jango Airplay is good for emerging artists AND users. With our quality review, infrequency of airplay songs (compared to established artists) and listener control, this is a way to help independents get discovered and help users discover independents – for a music discovery service like Jango this is a MUCH better experience for everyone involved than the alternative – which is a 30 second audio ad for Lending Tree every other song.
Thanks,
Dan
March 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
@Jon,
Please pull my rambling posts so that Mr. Kaufman’s comments can be respected as the first post, and intelligent commentary can follow.
Thanks.
March 6th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
I don’t profess to be completely acquainted with the site, or how it all works, but here’s my 2 cents…
In the light of what Mr. Kaufmann has outlined, I would say the site stands a good chance of avoiding the “Payola” label, in the sense that “larger investers” can’t just “buy away” another artist’s “exposure”.
The one difference between this and Radio is that there are no actual “airwaves” being “monopolized” by the “current tune”. Everyone is free to listen to what they want, which gives the effect of exponentially more “available airtime” for all songs.
And, if the artists really can monitor and control both how their “investments” are being used (how many plays left, etc.) and how the people are reacting to the music, it sounds like a pretty fair arrangement.
One feature I’m a little grey on, however, is the “similar artist” tag.
Since “similarity” in music is mostly an arbitrary observation made by each individual, how or why should anyone else be permitted to “place themselves” in any kind of list “next to” any other artist? Would this not result in a shitload of complaints that everyone’s playlists are being “spammed” by artists they never asked to list, or simply don’t agree are “similar”?
March 6th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Although I love the notion that Facebook, MySpace, Jango, Pandora, etc “should be free” and that commercials and marketing are annoying some of the readers of the previous article commented. (I agree they are annoying!) I don’t think that’s very practical in the business sense. These services aren’t run by the government with your tax money. They aren’t going to last very long with the incredible expenses that have to be endured (especially with paying royalties on music and video). To Mr. Kaufmans point, I’d prefer to be exposed to new music rather than the standard form of audio ads you hear on terrestrial radio. I’d also prefer it to having to pay subscription fees as with satellite radio.
Additionally, the terrestrial radio payola model doesn’t apply here. The structure of the two are so entirely different that the threat of total control via payola is very unlikely.