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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1889/comment-page-1#comment-3374</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. The labels are the WALKING DEAD !  So I poked around and here&#039;s what I found on Zombie Powers -----&gt; http://death.monstrous.com/zombie_powers.htm

&quot;Zombies are highly susceptible to fire, burning these creatures is the most effective way of destroying them. Extreme amounts of electrical current will burn a zombie&#039;s flesh, thus consuming it in flames. Zombies can also be dispatched by causing extreme trauma to their brain. This can be accomplished by driving a bullet, a drill, a long knife, a hammer, or some other blunt object into the creature&#039;s skull.&quot; 

heh - That&#039;d do it ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. The labels are the WALKING DEAD !  So I poked around and here&#8217;s what I found on Zombie Powers &#8212;&#8211;&gt; <a href="http://death.monstrous.com/zombie_powers.htm" rel="nofollow">http://death.monstrous.com/zombie_powers.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Zombies are highly susceptible to fire, burning these creatures is the most effective way of destroying them. Extreme amounts of electrical current will burn a zombie&#8217;s flesh, thus consuming it in flames. Zombies can also be dispatched by causing extreme trauma to their brain. This can be accomplished by driving a bullet, a drill, a long knife, a hammer, or some other blunt object into the creature&#8217;s skull.&#8221; </p>
<p>heh &#8211; That&#8217;d do it ; )</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1889/comment-page-1#comment-3372</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the Same Old Same Old. The major labels have lost the battle and they&#039;re dead. But they&#039;re like Zombies. Their corpses are still walking the earth. hehe  And you know what they do to Zombies .......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the Same Old Same Old. The major labels have lost the battle and they&#8217;re dead. But they&#8217;re like Zombies. Their corpses are still walking the earth. hehe  And you know what they do to Zombies &#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1889/comment-page-1#comment-3368</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;maybe they should consider going after the cable company!!!!!&quot;

Recent court decision regarding tariff 22 where SOCAN tried to convince the court that ISP&#039;s in Canada should be paying a tariff since music was being transmitted over thier networks and fell under the the copywrite act. SOCAN lost. Court ruled that an intermediary (ISP) can&#039;t be held liable for the actions of it&#039;s customers if all it is is a conduit for the information ... ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;maybe they should consider going after the cable company!!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Recent court decision regarding tariff 22 where SOCAN tried to convince the court that ISP&#8217;s in Canada should be paying a tariff since music was being transmitted over thier networks and fell under the the copywrite act. SOCAN lost. Court ruled that an intermediary (ISP) can&#8217;t be held liable for the actions of it&#8217;s customers if all it is is a conduit for the information &#8230; <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1889/comment-page-1#comment-3366</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you have a good point, i think that if the music industry would charge  realistic prices for their products, then we consumers would not take the time to download and just buy it as we always did.I bought 50 blank discs today for 29.95, what would the music industry pay for them and how can they justify the prices they charge????It doesnt matter who writes the songs, if we do not buy the product the artists will not become superstars and command exhorbitant prices....the way i see it , it is my pc and i can download anything that happens to be on the web as i pay for the cable hookup and monthly charges. Why do they think they can come into my computor and tell me i am dishonest ? I paid for the right with my monthly charges, maybe they should consider going after the cable company!!!!!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have a good point, i think that if the music industry would charge  realistic prices for their products, then we consumers would not take the time to download and just buy it as we always did.I bought 50 blank discs today for 29.95, what would the music industry pay for them and how can they justify the prices they charge????It doesnt matter who writes the songs, if we do not buy the product the artists will not become superstars and command exhorbitant prices&#8230;.the way i see it , it is my pc and i can download anything that happens to be on the web as i pay for the cable hookup and monthly charges. Why do they think they can come into my computor and tell me i am dishonest ? I paid for the right with my monthly charges, maybe they should consider going after the cable company!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1889/comment-page-1#comment-3357</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the merits of the case: 

The so called &quot;evidence&quot; ... remember &quot;geekboy&quot;? (IP xx.xx.xx.xxx @ 12:39AM seen on kazaa sharing 350 files) NO proof that ANY of the files had copyrights on them, in fact the president of media sentry (or the division of it) testified they weren&#039;t hired to download ANY of the files and listen to them to verify they may have a copyright on them. 

The lawyers failed to introduce into evidence certificates of copyright - they are required to be submitted in a case involving copyrights. 

Then there were the lawyers who were hired at the last minute, their specialty is trademark law NOT copyright law. From my perspective they took american arguments and tried to implement them here in a CANADIAN court. They tried arguing points of law that don&#039;t even exist in Canada, for instance &quot;make available&quot;.  

We wont go into the technical aspects of the case involving IP&#039;s - except to say that one IP listed in the court documents didnt even exist!!!

CRIA: 

I&#039;m sorry that you had a team of lawyers who screwed your case up for you, I&#039;m sorry that all you can do now is whine about a case that was fairly won by the ISPs and other intervenors like CanFli. I&#039;m sorry that we are not the US of A and you can&#039;t do to us what your &quot;sister&quot; association has done to file sharers in the USA or to other countries like Italy, Germany, UK and elsewhere, I&#039;m sorry you lost your polical puppet (the Minister of Heritage) in the recent election,  ... I&#039;m sorry I have to witness the pathetic pissings of a industry that can&#039;t get its own way and wants to trample on whats left of a &quot;free&quot; society 


... care for a soother? </description>
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<p>The so called &#8220;evidence&#8221; &#8230; remember &#8220;geekboy&#8221;? (IP xx.xx.xx.xxx @ 12:39AM seen on kazaa sharing 350 files) NO proof that ANY of the files had copyrights on them, in fact the president of media sentry (or the division of it) testified they weren&#8217;t hired to download ANY of the files and listen to them to verify they may have a copyright on them. </p>
<p>The lawyers failed to introduce into evidence certificates of copyright &#8211; they are required to be submitted in a case involving copyrights. </p>
<p>Then there were the lawyers who were hired at the last minute, their specialty is trademark law NOT copyright law. From my perspective they took american arguments and tried to implement them here in a CANADIAN court. They tried arguing points of law that don&#8217;t even exist in Canada, for instance &#8220;make available&#8221;.  </p>
<p>We wont go into the technical aspects of the case involving IP&#8217;s &#8211; except to say that one IP listed in the court documents didnt even exist!!!</p>
<p>CRIA: </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that you had a team of lawyers who screwed your case up for you, I&#8217;m sorry that all you can do now is whine about a case that was fairly won by the ISPs and other intervenors like CanFli. I&#8217;m sorry that we are not the US of A and you can&#8217;t do to us what your &#8220;sister&#8221; association has done to file sharers in the USA or to other countries like Italy, Germany, UK and elsewhere, I&#8217;m sorry you lost your polical puppet (the Minister of Heritage) in the recent election,  &#8230; I&#8217;m sorry I have to witness the pathetic pissings of a industry that can&#8217;t get its own way and wants to trample on whats left of a &#8220;free&#8221; society </p>
<p>&#8230; care for a soother?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1889/comment-page-1#comment-3356</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is no higher court ... just parliament  ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no higher court &#8230; just parliament  <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1889/comment-page-1#comment-3353</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you appeal a _supreme_ court decision? Where&#039;s the higher court?</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/1889/comment-page-1#comment-3352</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISP&#039;s, P2Ps and individual users are not nor should they be blame for mistakes that could have been prevented.  If technology has advanced so much then Companies that complain they are losing business because of free exchange of information(eg: Music, Software and Video), should have taken extra precautions in protecting this information(eg: Music, Software and Video), the same way they spend the big money it takes to protect their internal networks....  Companies should shut-up figure out a way they could encrypt and protect data that they do not want shared through the internet.  Having a Highway(ISP) to free information is great, but having community of users that are willing to exchange knowledge and share information regardless of its orgins makes the internet the best source of information.  Taking that freedom away is a form of imprisonment.

This whole thing is about greed.  Compaines and there policies really have no shame.  If a company or group of companies think they have selling product then why the hell complain your losing money when you invested money into a worthless project that the consumers did not like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ISP&#8217;s, P2Ps and individual users are not nor should they be blame for mistakes that could have been prevented.  If technology has advanced so much then Companies that complain they are losing business because of free exchange of information(eg: Music, Software and Video), should have taken extra precautions in protecting this information(eg: Music, Software and Video), the same way they spend the big money it takes to protect their internal networks&#8230;.  Companies should shut-up figure out a way they could encrypt and protect data that they do not want shared through the internet.  Having a Highway(ISP) to free information is great, but having community of users that are willing to exchange knowledge and share information regardless of its orgins makes the internet the best source of information.  Taking that freedom away is a form of imprisonment.</p>
<p>This whole thing is about greed.  Compaines and there policies really have no shame.  If a company or group of companies think they have selling product then why the hell complain your losing money when you invested money into a worthless project that the consumers did not like?</p>
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