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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<description>about: http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php

here is my comment on this article, please use Babelfish to read it, and I publicate it here, because main http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php closed for commenting:
Ð­ÑÐ¾ ÑÐ¾ÑÐ¾ÑÐ¾, ÑÑÐ¾ ÑÐ°Ð·ÑÐ°Ð±Ð°ÑÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑÑÑ Ð°Ð»ÑÑÐµÑÐ½Ð°ÑÐ¸Ð²Ð½ÑÐµ OpenSource ÑÐ¸ÑÑÐµÐ¼Ñ, Ð½Ð¾ Ð½Ðµ ÑÑÐ¾Ð¸Ñ ÑÐ°ÐºÐ¶Ðµ Ð¾ÑÐºÐ°Ð·ÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑÑÑ Ð¾Ñ ICQ, Skype, Adobe flash Ð¸ Ñ.Ð´. Ð¯ Ð¿Ð¾Ð½Ð¸Ð¼Ð°Ñ, ÑÑÐ¾ Ð½ÐµÐºÐ¾ÑÐ¾ÑÑÐµ Ð²ÐºÐ»Ð°Ð´ÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑ Ð² ÑÑÐ¾ ÑÐ²Ð¾Ñ Ð²ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ, Ð½Ð¾ ÐºÐ°Ðº Ð¿Ð¾Ð»ÑÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð°ÑÐµÐ»Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð±Ñ Ð¸ Ð½ÐµÑ? Ð Ð¿Ð¾ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð±Ñ Ð¸ Ð½Ðµ Ð²Ð»Ð¾Ð¶Ð¸ÑÑ Ð²ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ? ÐÐ°Ð¶Ðµ ÐµÑÐ»Ð¸ Ð²ÐµÑÑ Ð¼Ð¸Ñ Ð½Ð°ÑÐ½ÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ð»ÑÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð°ÑÑÑÑ ICQ Ð² ÐºÐ°ÑÐµÑÑÐ²Ðµ Ð´Ð¾ÐºÑÐ¼ÐµÐ½ÑÐ¾Ð¾Ð±Ð¾ÑÐ¾ÑÐ° - ÑÑÐ¾ Ð² ÑÑÐ¾Ð¼ Ð¿Ð»Ð¾ÑÐ¾Ð³Ð¾? Ð ÑÑÐ°Ð³Ð¸ Ð²Ð»Ð°ÑÑÐ¸? Ð­ÑÐ¸ ÑÑÑÐ°Ð³Ð¸ ÑÐ¾Ð»ÑÐºÐ¾ Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¾Ð´Ð½Ð¾Ð¹ ÑÐµÐ»Ð¸: ÑÐ¾Ð´ÑÐ°ÑÑ ÐºÐ°ÐºÐ¸Ðµ-ÑÐ¾ ÑÐ°Ð¼ 0,01% Ð²Ð°ÑÐµÐ³Ð¾ ÑÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÑÐµÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ ÑÐ°ÐºÑÐ¾ÑÐ° Ñ ÑÐµÐºÐ»Ð°Ð¼Ð½ÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾ÐºÐ°Ð·Ð¾Ð², Ð¸ Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÑÑÐµ Ð½Ð¸ÑÐµÐ³Ð¾. ÐÐ¸ÐºÑÐ¾ Ð·Ð°ÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑ Ð¼Ð¸Ñ Ð½Ðµ ÑÐ¾Ð±Ð¸ÑÐ°ÐµÑÑÑ. Ð Ð² ÑÐ»ÑÑÐ°Ðµ ÑÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð²ÑÐµ Ð¿ÑÐ¾ÑÑÐ¾ Ð¿ÐµÑÐµÑÑÐ´ÑÑ Ð½Ð° Ð²Ð°ÑÐ¸Ð°Ð½Ñ Ñ Ð¾ÑÐºÑÑÑÑÐ¼ ÐºÐ¾Ð´Ð¾Ð¼. ÐÐ°ÑÐµÐ¼ Ð·Ð°ÑÐ»Ð°Ð¼Ð»ÑÑÑ Ð³Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ð²Ñ Ð»ÑÐ´ÐµÐ¹ ÑÐµÐ¹ÑÐ°Ñ-ÑÐ¾? ÐÐ¾Ð´Ð´ÐµÑÐ¶Ð¸ÑÐµ Ð»ÑÑÑÐµ Ð³Ð¸Ð³Ð°Ð½ÑÐ¾Ð², Ð¸ ÑÑÐ¾ ÐÐ°Ð¼ Ð¾Ð±ÐµÑÐ½ÑÑÑÑ Ð¸Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð°ÑÐ¸ÑÐ¼Ð¸ Ð¸ Ð½Ð¾Ð²ÑÐ¼Ð¸ Ð²Ð¾Ð·Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶Ð½Ð¾ÑÑÑÐ¼Ð¸. ÐÐ¸ÑÐ½Ð¾ Ñ Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÑÑÐµ Ð²ÐµÑÑ Ð³Ð¸Ð³Ð°Ð½ÑÐ°Ð¼, Ð° Ð½Ðµ ÑÐµÐ¼ Ð¿Ð°ÑÐ½ÑÐ¼ Ð² Ð³Ð°ÑÐ°Ð¶Ðµ, ÐºÐ¾ÑÐ¾ÑÑÐµ ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð²Ð¾Ð¾Ð±ÑÐ°Ð¶Ð°ÑÑ Ð¡ÑÐ¸Ð²Ð°Ð¼Ð¸ ÐÐ¶Ð¾Ð±ÑÐ°Ð¼Ð¸ Ð¸ ÐÐ¸Ð½ÑÑÐ°Ð¼Ð¸, Ð² ÑÐ¾ Ð²ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ ÐºÐ°Ðº ÑÐµÐ°Ð»ÑÐ½Ð¾ Ð²Ð½Ð¾ÑÑÑ Ð²ÐºÐ»Ð°Ð´ Ð² Ð¸Ð½Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð°ÑÐ¸Ð¸ ÑÐ¾Ð»ÑÐºÐ¾ Ð³Ð¸Ð³Ð°Ð½ÑÑ Ð¸ Ð¿ÑÐ¾Ð¼ÑÑÐ»ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð¾ÑÑÑ, Ð¸ ÐÐ°ÑÐ° Ð¿ÑÐµÑÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÑÑÐ°Ñ Ð±Ð¸Ð·Ð½ÐµÑ-ÑÐ¸ÑÑÐµÐ¼Ð°. Ð¤ÑÐ¾Ð¿ÐºÑ ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ð¼ÑÐ½Ð¸Ð·Ð¼!

I fully against ideas of http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php web-site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about: <a href="http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php</a></p>
<p>here is my comment on this article, please use Babelfish to read it, and I publicate it here, because main <a href="http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php</a> closed for commenting:<br />
Ð­ÑÐ¾ ÑÐ¾ÑÐ¾ÑÐ¾, ÑÑÐ¾ ÑÐ°Ð·ÑÐ°Ð±Ð°ÑÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑÑÑ Ð°Ð»ÑÑÐµÑÐ½Ð°ÑÐ¸Ð²Ð½ÑÐµ OpenSource ÑÐ¸ÑÑÐµÐ¼Ñ, Ð½Ð¾ Ð½Ðµ ÑÑÐ¾Ð¸Ñ ÑÐ°ÐºÐ¶Ðµ Ð¾ÑÐºÐ°Ð·ÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑÑÑ Ð¾Ñ ICQ, Skype, Adobe flash Ð¸ Ñ.Ð´. Ð¯ Ð¿Ð¾Ð½Ð¸Ð¼Ð°Ñ, ÑÑÐ¾ Ð½ÐµÐºÐ¾ÑÐ¾ÑÑÐµ Ð²ÐºÐ»Ð°Ð´ÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑ Ð² ÑÑÐ¾ ÑÐ²Ð¾Ñ Ð²ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ, Ð½Ð¾ ÐºÐ°Ðº Ð¿Ð¾Ð»ÑÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð°ÑÐµÐ»Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð±Ñ Ð¸ Ð½ÐµÑ? Ð Ð¿Ð¾ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð±Ñ Ð¸ Ð½Ðµ Ð²Ð»Ð¾Ð¶Ð¸ÑÑ Ð²ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ? ÐÐ°Ð¶Ðµ ÐµÑÐ»Ð¸ Ð²ÐµÑÑ Ð¼Ð¸Ñ Ð½Ð°ÑÐ½ÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ð»ÑÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð°ÑÑÑÑ ICQ Ð² ÐºÐ°ÑÐµÑÑÐ²Ðµ Ð´Ð¾ÐºÑÐ¼ÐµÐ½ÑÐ¾Ð¾Ð±Ð¾ÑÐ¾ÑÐ° &#8211; ÑÑÐ¾ Ð² ÑÑÐ¾Ð¼ Ð¿Ð»Ð¾ÑÐ¾Ð³Ð¾? Ð ÑÑÐ°Ð³Ð¸ Ð²Ð»Ð°ÑÑÐ¸? Ð­ÑÐ¸ ÑÑÑÐ°Ð³Ð¸ ÑÐ¾Ð»ÑÐºÐ¾ Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¾Ð´Ð½Ð¾Ð¹ ÑÐµÐ»Ð¸: ÑÐ¾Ð´ÑÐ°ÑÑ ÐºÐ°ÐºÐ¸Ðµ-ÑÐ¾ ÑÐ°Ð¼ 0,01% Ð²Ð°ÑÐµÐ³Ð¾ ÑÐµÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÐµÑÐµÑÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ ÑÐ°ÐºÑÐ¾ÑÐ° Ñ ÑÐµÐºÐ»Ð°Ð¼Ð½ÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾ÐºÐ°Ð·Ð¾Ð², Ð¸ Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÑÑÐµ Ð½Ð¸ÑÐµÐ³Ð¾. ÐÐ¸ÐºÑÐ¾ Ð·Ð°ÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑÐ²Ð°ÑÑ Ð¼Ð¸Ñ Ð½Ðµ ÑÐ¾Ð±Ð¸ÑÐ°ÐµÑÑÑ. Ð Ð² ÑÐ»ÑÑÐ°Ðµ ÑÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð²ÑÐµ Ð¿ÑÐ¾ÑÑÐ¾ Ð¿ÐµÑÐµÑÑÐ´ÑÑ Ð½Ð° Ð²Ð°ÑÐ¸Ð°Ð½Ñ Ñ Ð¾ÑÐºÑÑÑÑÐ¼ ÐºÐ¾Ð´Ð¾Ð¼. ÐÐ°ÑÐµÐ¼ Ð·Ð°ÑÐ»Ð°Ð¼Ð»ÑÑÑ Ð³Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ð²Ñ Ð»ÑÐ´ÐµÐ¹ ÑÐµÐ¹ÑÐ°Ñ-ÑÐ¾? ÐÐ¾Ð´Ð´ÐµÑÐ¶Ð¸ÑÐµ Ð»ÑÑÑÐµ Ð³Ð¸Ð³Ð°Ð½ÑÐ¾Ð², Ð¸ ÑÑÐ¾ ÐÐ°Ð¼ Ð¾Ð±ÐµÑÐ½ÑÑÑÑ Ð¸Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð°ÑÐ¸ÑÐ¼Ð¸ Ð¸ Ð½Ð¾Ð²ÑÐ¼Ð¸ Ð²Ð¾Ð·Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶Ð½Ð¾ÑÑÑÐ¼Ð¸. ÐÐ¸ÑÐ½Ð¾ Ñ Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÑÑÐµ Ð²ÐµÑÑ Ð³Ð¸Ð³Ð°Ð½ÑÐ°Ð¼, Ð° Ð½Ðµ ÑÐµÐ¼ Ð¿Ð°ÑÐ½ÑÐ¼ Ð² Ð³Ð°ÑÐ°Ð¶Ðµ, ÐºÐ¾ÑÐ¾ÑÑÐµ ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ð²Ð¾Ð¾Ð±ÑÐ°Ð¶Ð°ÑÑ Ð¡ÑÐ¸Ð²Ð°Ð¼Ð¸ ÐÐ¶Ð¾Ð±ÑÐ°Ð¼Ð¸ Ð¸ ÐÐ¸Ð½ÑÑÐ°Ð¼Ð¸, Ð² ÑÐ¾ Ð²ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ ÐºÐ°Ðº ÑÐµÐ°Ð»ÑÐ½Ð¾ Ð²Ð½Ð¾ÑÑÑ Ð²ÐºÐ»Ð°Ð´ Ð² Ð¸Ð½Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð°ÑÐ¸Ð¸ ÑÐ¾Ð»ÑÐºÐ¾ Ð³Ð¸Ð³Ð°Ð½ÑÑ Ð¸ Ð¿ÑÐ¾Ð¼ÑÑÐ»ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð¾ÑÑÑ, Ð¸ ÐÐ°ÑÐ° Ð¿ÑÐµÑÐ»Ð¾Ð²ÑÑÐ°Ñ Ð±Ð¸Ð·Ð½ÐµÑ-ÑÐ¸ÑÑÐµÐ¼Ð°. Ð¤ÑÐ¾Ð¿ÐºÑ ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ð¼ÑÐ½Ð¸Ð·Ð¼!</p>
<p>I fully against ideas of <a href="http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php</a> web-site</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19008/comment-page-1#comment-970185</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jakykong:

If you look around, the recent social networking services are NOT distributed, but controlled by large companies. These large companies may run them on a server farm to &quot;distribute&quot; the load, but they are NOT distributed in the sense e-mail is distributed. You can run your own mail server and send e-mail to all users on all other mail servers. You can run your own Jabber server and your users are able to talk to other users on other jabber servers. As admin of such server, you can choose to filter spam or other junk, but you are not imposing your decision to users on other servers.

But you can&#039;t run your own ICQ server, you can&#039;t run your own Skype server, you can&#039;t run your own Facebook server that federates with others. And this control gives these companies too much power. They are private enterprises and they offer a private, proprietary service, after all. If they don&#039;t like you, they can cancel your account, without notice to you. And they don&#039;t have to like you.

This is why &quot;sites with Javascript&quot; should not be treated as free software. Neither should &quot;cloud computing&quot; services be treated free (as in freedom), because most of the time you are not running a server node in such a system, you can&#039;t choose your account provider (user@server type of account).

This article explains it pretty well: http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php  (use Babelfish or Google Translate)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jakykong:</p>
<p>If you look around, the recent social networking services are NOT distributed, but controlled by large companies. These large companies may run them on a server farm to &#8220;distribute&#8221; the load, but they are NOT distributed in the sense e-mail is distributed. You can run your own mail server and send e-mail to all users on all other mail servers. You can run your own Jabber server and your users are able to talk to other users on other jabber servers. As admin of such server, you can choose to filter spam or other junk, but you are not imposing your decision to users on other servers.</p>
<p>But you can&#8217;t run your own ICQ server, you can&#8217;t run your own Skype server, you can&#8217;t run your own Facebook server that federates with others. And this control gives these companies too much power. They are private enterprises and they offer a private, proprietary service, after all. If they don&#8217;t like you, they can cancel your account, without notice to you. And they don&#8217;t have to like you.</p>
<p>This is why &#8220;sites with Javascript&#8221; should not be treated as free software. Neither should &#8220;cloud computing&#8221; services be treated free (as in freedom), because most of the time you are not running a server node in such a system, you can&#8217;t choose your account provider (user@server type of account).</p>
<p>This article explains it pretty well: <a href="http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.provider.net.ru/article.48.php</a>  (use Babelfish or Google Translate)</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19008/comment-page-1#comment-970182</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jakykong

FSF is usually ahead of things. For example, re-read the essay below and compare with the recent history we all witnessed:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

And here is a recipe:

1) Invent DRM or source code protection for JavaScript
2) Push it into a commonly used closed source browser on the next update
3) Get it used/implemented on a very popular site a-la Faceboob or GooTube.
...
10) PROFIT!

(NOTE: This disclosure is deemed prior art)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jakykong</p>
<p>FSF is usually ahead of things. For example, re-read the essay below and compare with the recent history we all witnessed:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html</a></p>
<p>And here is a recipe:</p>
<p>1) Invent DRM or source code protection for JavaScript<br />
2) Push it into a commonly used closed source browser on the next update<br />
3) Get it used/implemented on a very popular site a-la Faceboob or GooTube.<br />
&#8230;<br />
10) PROFIT!</p>
<p>(NOTE: This disclosure is deemed prior art)</p>
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		<title>By: RadialSkid</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19008/comment-page-1#comment-970168</link>
		<dc:creator>RadialSkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sony Now Charging Publishers For PS3 Downloadable Content, An Unpopular Policy Shift&quot;

Good. Maybe this will be the first step to game makers NOT releasing imcomplete games and then forcing buyers to pay extra to download material that should have been in it to start with....plus incorrectly assuming all gamers can actually connect their consoles to the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sony Now Charging Publishers For PS3 Downloadable Content, An Unpopular Policy Shift&#8221;</p>
<p>Good. Maybe this will be the first step to game makers NOT releasing imcomplete games and then forcing buyers to pay extra to download material that should have been in it to start with&#8230;.plus incorrectly assuming all gamers can actually connect their consoles to the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: hackers/pirates of the world unite</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19008/comment-page-1#comment-970157</link>
		<dc:creator>hackers/pirates of the world unite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um
i can manipulate files with javascript
you should go back to school my friend

you can put malicious javascript into images that cause probs.
YOU can however make some neat browser effects with its neewer form called AJAX

haha blah blah blah
how about a paragraph and GNU has nothing to do with javascript whats that dribble on about

and go ahead and see how much code Google has &quot;open sourced&quot;
this poster obviously hasn&#039;t taken time to go over there and see things.

SOURCEFORGE.NET
Free SOFTWARE RULES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um<br />
i can manipulate files with javascript<br />
you should go back to school my friend</p>
<p>you can put malicious javascript into images that cause probs.<br />
YOU can however make some neat browser effects with its neewer form called AJAX</p>
<p>haha blah blah blah<br />
how about a paragraph and GNU has nothing to do with javascript whats that dribble on about</p>
<p>and go ahead and see how much code Google has &#8220;open sourced&#8221;<br />
this poster obviously hasn&#8217;t taken time to go over there and see things.</p>
<p>SOURCEFORGE.NET<br />
Free SOFTWARE RULES</p>
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		<title>By: Jakykong</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19008/comment-page-1#comment-970152</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakykong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Gnu project always seeks to be on the fringe of society at any given moment. I do not -- never have, and probably never will -- see Javascript as problematic to free software. The fundamental distinction between Java and Javascript that makes Java problematic and Javascript not problematic is the sandbox they&#039;re locked in. Javascript is little more than glorified HTML in its scope. It can&#039;t manipulate anything except the page it&#039;s loaded with. Java, on the other hand, is capable of doing just as much to my computer as any binary program. Its sandbox is so big as to be nearly the size of my entire system. As well, despite Google&#039;s attempt to obfuscate the Javascript, the only thing they can do is just that. I suspect it has a lot more to do with reducing the size of the script than it has to do with obfuscating the code, however. Consider how many times it&#039;s going to be downloaded from their servers.

There is another issue -- a social and practical issue, rather than a technical issue. Normally, a website -- whether Javascript plays a part in it or not -- is viewed as a relatively one-way stream. You read data that is on the server. Maybe the server stores some responses (e.g., a forum or blog comments), but in general, most of a server&#039;s traffic is outbound, not incoming (as always, there are exceptions to any generality). The scripts used to display the page seem qualify as content provided by the server. They&#039;re limited to the page they&#039;re loaded with, just like the HTML. They can be automatically generated, just like HTML. The source code can be viewed, just like HTML. The script is copyrighted right along with the page itself in many cases. I don&#039;t see how a Javascript program is any different from a video on Youtube from this perspective. They&#039;re both data to be displayed by the browser.

What seems to matter with javascript is precisely and exactly the program used to run the script, not the script itself. I won&#039;t run a closed-source browser any more than I will run a closed-source Java virtual machine. But demanding that the javascript be open source is much like demanding that every video I watch is creative commons. It&#039;s not going to happen, and being eccentric in this way is just going to drive off otherwise perfectly acceptable and even disireable uses for the technology and businesses that otherwise would support open source efforts.

As much as I&#039;m a fan of free software, and don&#039;t run anything except it on my computer, it just seems too fanatical to me to treat javascript the same way you treat C or binary programs. When I go to a web page, I will continue to ignore the Javascripts on the page until and unless they cause me problems. This seems right to me, FSF be damned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Gnu project always seeks to be on the fringe of society at any given moment. I do not &#8212; never have, and probably never will &#8212; see Javascript as problematic to free software. The fundamental distinction between Java and Javascript that makes Java problematic and Javascript not problematic is the sandbox they&#8217;re locked in. Javascript is little more than glorified HTML in its scope. It can&#8217;t manipulate anything except the page it&#8217;s loaded with. Java, on the other hand, is capable of doing just as much to my computer as any binary program. Its sandbox is so big as to be nearly the size of my entire system. As well, despite Google&#8217;s attempt to obfuscate the Javascript, the only thing they can do is just that. I suspect it has a lot more to do with reducing the size of the script than it has to do with obfuscating the code, however. Consider how many times it&#8217;s going to be downloaded from their servers.</p>
<p>There is another issue &#8212; a social and practical issue, rather than a technical issue. Normally, a website &#8212; whether Javascript plays a part in it or not &#8212; is viewed as a relatively one-way stream. You read data that is on the server. Maybe the server stores some responses (e.g., a forum or blog comments), but in general, most of a server&#8217;s traffic is outbound, not incoming (as always, there are exceptions to any generality). The scripts used to display the page seem qualify as content provided by the server. They&#8217;re limited to the page they&#8217;re loaded with, just like the HTML. They can be automatically generated, just like HTML. The source code can be viewed, just like HTML. The script is copyrighted right along with the page itself in many cases. I don&#8217;t see how a Javascript program is any different from a video on Youtube from this perspective. They&#8217;re both data to be displayed by the browser.</p>
<p>What seems to matter with javascript is precisely and exactly the program used to run the script, not the script itself. I won&#8217;t run a closed-source browser any more than I will run a closed-source Java virtual machine. But demanding that the javascript be open source is much like demanding that every video I watch is creative commons. It&#8217;s not going to happen, and being eccentric in this way is just going to drive off otherwise perfectly acceptable and even disireable uses for the technology and businesses that otherwise would support open source efforts.</p>
<p>As much as I&#8217;m a fan of free software, and don&#8217;t run anything except it on my computer, it just seems too fanatical to me to treat javascript the same way you treat C or binary programs. When I go to a web page, I will continue to ignore the Javascripts on the page until and unless they cause me problems. This seems right to me, FSF be damned.</p>
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		<title>By: Orbit</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19008/comment-page-1#comment-970151</link>
		<dc:creator>Orbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smooth move Sony that&#039;s a great way to scare away developers from your over priced console</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smooth move Sony that&#8217;s a great way to scare away developers from your over priced console</p>
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