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	<title>Comments on: Comcast, AT&amp;T say No! to RIAA 3-strikes plan</title>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970392</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I doubt &#039;pirates&#039; are influencing them&quot;.

  How do you figure, when a solid third of Internet users openly admit to &quot;pirating&quot; content?
  Not to mention that the ISP&#039;s are busily hyping faster broadband and such with a &quot;wink and nod&quot; to downloaders.
  Also the fact that the RIAA&#039;s &quot;evidence gathering&quot; hasn&#039;t been exactly stellar up to this point (they don&#039;t even understand how IP addresses are different from phone numbers, and end up suing printers and dead people etc.)

  Also not to mention that the mere existence of VPN technology makes Internet tracking at the very least more complex.  
  (I really wish TPB would make a version of Ipredator free, similar to the TOR network, but that&#039;s just me.)

   Also not to mention that the ISP&#039;s -- AND RIAA -- understand full well that any attempt at a &quot;3 strikes&quot; type of setup will just radicalize a hell of a lot of people who are most likely at least sympathetic to the &quot;copyfight&quot; ideas, since they already download and share files etc....): they can&#039;t really afford to radicalize a bunch of people who -- if they lose their connectivity via 3 strikes bullshit -- could just prowl around town or go wardriving, and have all the connectivity they could want, simply by way of some guy&#039;s wireless router left open.  

  (BTW, there&#039;s a lot of people around our area hear who leave their home routers open, but configure a sort of &quot;welcome message&quot; for people.  I don&#039;t use that method myself, but I&#039;m fully aware that it&#039;s available any time it might be needed.)

   So they know anything even resembling &quot;3 strikes&quot; is doomed to failure, won&#039;t stop  &quot;piracy&quot;, and will probably provoke a lot of bad consequences.  Look at &quot;anonymous&quot; and Operation Chanology: they&#039;re basically the world&#039;s biggest &quot;flash mob&quot;, and the Church of Scientology is scared shitless.  
   You think the RIAA doesn&#039;t feel the same way about 35 or however many millions of p2p users?

  Not to mention advocates of the public domain, technological innovation, etc. etc ad nauseam.

   This is also why I could frankly give two liquidy shits whether there are &quot;RIAA puppets&quot; in the Obama administration: this is way larger than just a &quot;national&quot; thing, and people don&#039;t -- and shouldn&#039;t -- care about the existing lobbyist-bought IP laws.  
   More of the same (woefully inept and morally dubious) lawsuits and harrassment breeds more resistance, and just hastens the inevitable day of serious IP reform/abolition.

Oh well, enough soap-boxing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I doubt &#8216;pirates&#8217; are influencing them&#8221;.</p>
<p>  How do you figure, when a solid third of Internet users openly admit to &#8220;pirating&#8221; content?<br />
  Not to mention that the ISP&#8217;s are busily hyping faster broadband and such with a &#8220;wink and nod&#8221; to downloaders.<br />
  Also the fact that the RIAA&#8217;s &#8220;evidence gathering&#8221; hasn&#8217;t been exactly stellar up to this point (they don&#8217;t even understand how IP addresses are different from phone numbers, and end up suing printers and dead people etc.)</p>
<p>  Also not to mention that the mere existence of VPN technology makes Internet tracking at the very least more complex.<br />
  (I really wish TPB would make a version of Ipredator free, similar to the TOR network, but that&#8217;s just me.)</p>
<p>   Also not to mention that the ISP&#8217;s &#8212; AND RIAA &#8212; understand full well that any attempt at a &#8220;3 strikes&#8221; type of setup will just radicalize a hell of a lot of people who are most likely at least sympathetic to the &#8220;copyfight&#8221; ideas, since they already download and share files etc&#8230;.): they can&#8217;t really afford to radicalize a bunch of people who &#8212; if they lose their connectivity via 3 strikes bullshit &#8212; could just prowl around town or go wardriving, and have all the connectivity they could want, simply by way of some guy&#8217;s wireless router left open.  </p>
<p>  (BTW, there&#8217;s a lot of people around our area hear who leave their home routers open, but configure a sort of &#8220;welcome message&#8221; for people.  I don&#8217;t use that method myself, but I&#8217;m fully aware that it&#8217;s available any time it might be needed.)</p>
<p>   So they know anything even resembling &#8220;3 strikes&#8221; is doomed to failure, won&#8217;t stop  &#8220;piracy&#8221;, and will probably provoke a lot of bad consequences.  Look at &#8220;anonymous&#8221; and Operation Chanology: they&#8217;re basically the world&#8217;s biggest &#8220;flash mob&#8221;, and the Church of Scientology is scared shitless.<br />
   You think the RIAA doesn&#8217;t feel the same way about 35 or however many millions of p2p users?</p>
<p>  Not to mention advocates of the public domain, technological innovation, etc. etc ad nauseam.</p>
<p>   This is also why I could frankly give two liquidy shits whether there are &#8220;RIAA puppets&#8221; in the Obama administration: this is way larger than just a &#8220;national&#8221; thing, and people don&#8217;t &#8212; and shouldn&#8217;t &#8212; care about the existing lobbyist-bought IP laws.<br />
   More of the same (woefully inept and morally dubious) lawsuits and harrassment breeds more resistance, and just hastens the inevitable day of serious IP reform/abolition.</p>
<p>Oh well, enough soap-boxing <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970389</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have internet through one of the subsidies of AT&amp;T. If I receive such a message, I have an answer for them. I have no need of broadband if not to download. At such time I will reduce my account to 56k which is fine for forums and email. I won&#039;t leave them as I want them to understand that such actions will cost them in the wallet, where it means the most. Not only will the above action be taken but others. I have from time to time added various add ons to my phone which will go at the same time...since I already have a representative from the company on the line. I will make sure they understand that it is because of my displeasure at receiving such a message and it will hit them in the wallet every month while I lower my bill. 

It&#039;s the one message they will understand loud and clearly by the time I am done. 

I won&#039;t go with another carrier for a couple of reasons. One is that leaving them is their hope. That way the competition gets the guy who actually uses the bandwidth they pay for and they figure they will be rid of their problem child. Nope, I will be happy to cut costs if that should happen. Bet on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have internet through one of the subsidies of AT&amp;T. If I receive such a message, I have an answer for them. I have no need of broadband if not to download. At such time I will reduce my account to 56k which is fine for forums and email. I won&#8217;t leave them as I want them to understand that such actions will cost them in the wallet, where it means the most. Not only will the above action be taken but others. I have from time to time added various add ons to my phone which will go at the same time&#8230;since I already have a representative from the company on the line. I will make sure they understand that it is because of my displeasure at receiving such a message and it will hit them in the wallet every month while I lower my bill. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the one message they will understand loud and clearly by the time I am done. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t go with another carrier for a couple of reasons. One is that leaving them is their hope. That way the competition gets the guy who actually uses the bandwidth they pay for and they figure they will be rid of their problem child. Nope, I will be happy to cut costs if that should happen. Bet on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dreddsnik</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970374</link>
		<dc:creator>Dreddsnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; This is the same Comcast which denied any bandwidth throttling and denied messing with customers using the bit torrent protocol.

 Yup.
 Deny doing it until CAUGHT doing it, then deny some more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; This is the same Comcast which denied any bandwidth throttling and denied messing with customers using the bit torrent protocol.</p>
<p> Yup.<br />
 Deny doing it until CAUGHT doing it, then deny some more.</p>
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		<title>By: hackers/pirates of the world unite</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970366</link>
		<dc:creator>hackers/pirates of the world unite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go look up what throttling means
I went threw this at another site  with the term BLOCKING , which is any impediment to movement
so get over it they just try and use whatever suits them at the time to get it done and if it font add profit well tuff
AIG GREED MUST PREVAIL after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go look up what throttling means<br />
I went threw this at another site  with the term BLOCKING , which is any impediment to movement<br />
so get over it they just try and use whatever suits them at the time to get it done and if it font add profit well tuff<br />
AIG GREED MUST PREVAIL after all.</p>
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		<title>By: mdmadph</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970356</link>
		<dc:creator>mdmadph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Reader&#039;s

Hey, come on, they totally said they weren&#039;t throttling, and they weren&#039;t.

They were spoofing RST packets -- much different.  Throttling would make them dicks -- what they did technically made them criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Reader&#8217;s</p>
<p>Hey, come on, they totally said they weren&#8217;t throttling, and they weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>They were spoofing RST packets &#8212; much different.  Throttling would make them dicks &#8212; what they did technically made them criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970355</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the same Comcast which denied any bandwidth throttling and denied messing with customers using the bit torrent protocol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same Comcast which denied any bandwidth throttling and denied messing with customers using the bit torrent protocol.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970331</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would appear that the ISPs are unwilling to admit to any 3 strikes program, at least publicly.
I doubt that any &quot;pirates&quot; are influencing them, so who is it that they really fear if they get too chummy with the RIAA?
I&#039;d like to believe it is no longer &quot;politically correct&quot;  to be seen as a friend of the RIAA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would appear that the ISPs are unwilling to admit to any 3 strikes program, at least publicly.<br />
I doubt that any &#8220;pirates&#8221; are influencing them, so who is it that they really fear if they get too chummy with the RIAA?<br />
I&#8217;d like to believe it is no longer &#8220;politically correct&#8221;  to be seen as a friend of the RIAA.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970327</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Where&#039;s the catch?&quot; RIAA did not pay its bills to the ISPs or refused to pay for DPI equipment. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Where&#8217;s the catch?&#8221; RIAA did not pay its bills to the ISPs or refused to pay for DPI equipment. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: flagg1209</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970325</link>
		<dc:creator>flagg1209</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap!

Comcast..? doing something normal..? in the interest of its customers..?

Nah! Where&#039;s the catch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap!</p>
<p>Comcast..? doing something normal..? in the interest of its customers..?</p>
<p>Nah! Where&#8217;s the catch?</p>
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		<title>By: Media Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19163/comment-page-1#comment-970323</link>
		<dc:creator>Media Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jon:

&quot;AT&amp;T will not suspend or terminate a customerâs Internet service merely based on piracy allegations of a third-party, the companyâs top public policy guru says.

&quot;On Wednesday, some published reports said AT&amp;T had begun pulling the plug on customers accused of engaging in illegal downloading of music by the Recording Industry Association of America, the music industryâs main lobbying group. The story got picked up across the Web, resulting in a flood of calls to AT&amp;T.&quot;

http://blogs.usatoday.com/technologylive/2009/03/att-were-not-tu.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon:</p>
<p>&#8220;AT&amp;T will not suspend or terminate a customerâs Internet service merely based on piracy allegations of a third-party, the companyâs top public policy guru says.</p>
<p>&#8220;On Wednesday, some published reports said AT&amp;T had begun pulling the plug on customers accused of engaging in illegal downloading of music by the Recording Industry Association of America, the music industryâs main lobbying group. The story got picked up across the Web, resulting in a flood of calls to AT&amp;T.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/technologylive/2009/03/att-were-not-tu.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.usatoday.com/technologylive/2009/03/att-were-not-tu.html</a></p>
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