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		<title>By: Hippie</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971553</link>
		<dc:creator>Hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Jon said:
“MediaSentry rides again?

Only if justice is dead in the Obama administration.”

Obama kills justice:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush

Guess mediasentry rides again…. &quot;

 So , tell me how different this would be in a McCain administration.
 How was it different in the Bush administration ?
 This Obama blah blaaa crap is pretty goddam tiresome.
 At least have the honesty to admit that corruption is party agnostic and
 &#039;your guy&#039; would have been no better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Jon said:<br />
“MediaSentry rides again?</p>
<p>Only if justice is dead in the Obama administration.”</p>
<p>Obama kills justice:<br />
<a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush</a></p>
<p>Guess mediasentry rides again…. &#8221;</p>
<p> So , tell me how different this would be in a McCain administration.<br />
 How was it different in the Bush administration ?<br />
 This Obama blah blaaa crap is pretty goddam tiresome.<br />
 At least have the honesty to admit that corruption is party agnostic and<br />
 &#8216;your guy&#8217; would have been no better.</p>
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		<title>By: RK</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971549</link>
		<dc:creator>RK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I forgot to mention the Government contracts that SafeNet/MediaSentry picked up without bid.  I wonder if they were given a good referance by Bradley Buckles, the former director of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), who was hired to head up the RIAA Anti-Piracy Unit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I forgot to mention the Government contracts that SafeNet/MediaSentry picked up without bid.  I wonder if they were given a good referance by Bradley Buckles, the former director of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), who was hired to head up the RIAA Anti-Piracy Unit?</p>
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		<title>By: RK</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971528</link>
		<dc:creator>RK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug Jacobson - the RIAA’s inexpert expert - Audio Magic?  You forgot to mention that after the RIAA shake down, the colleges are then presented with &quot;Audio Magic” a program that is supposed to stop file sharing.  (It must work because every university that has invested money in it has been clear of suits.)  Gee, I wonder how that happens.    

So first comes the MediaSentry secret &amp; private investigations.  The university is then contacted by HRO asking that it forward  &quot;Dear Sir or Madam- we have discovered your IP address&quot; extortion letters to its students. This uses the university staff to do the dirty work.  For those students who did not settle, next comes the  &quot;John Doe - ex Parte lawsuit phase&quot;, (the University is then again forced to use its money and resources to identify those student by name that MediaSentry &quot;has discovered&quot;).  This forces the University into bed with the RIAA.  After the &quot;Doe&quot; lawsuit phase and the courts force the university to roll over, and release the names of it’s students,  (those names that match up to MediaSentry&#039;s guess work) , the phone calls and threats of lawsuits start. By now, Morgan S is making the calls from the Settlement Center, and Donald is sending the HRO letters.  While this is going on, the university is contacted about &quot;anti file sharing&quot; software called Audio Magic.  It comes with the promise of ending the  &quot;file-sharing problem&quot;.  This is “Expert Witness” Doug Jacobson&#039;s baby.  He gets a kick back from the sale of Audio Magic.   Not to be left out, the RIAA once again slithers into the picture, with... (Until its demise)  the RIAA approved &quot;Ruckus&quot; program, or some similar RIAA sponsored program DRM laden music program. These programs are also sold to the University to “minimize the problem”.   Through this whole process, Federal and State money that should be used by the University to beef up its academics or lower the cost to the students gets funneled back into the greedy paws of the RIAA.   Out from under the rocks and crevices in Washington DC, &quot;entertainment&quot; lobbyist buy Congress to promote legislation that would require that any Universities that receives Federal Money be required to have programs in place to combat &quot;Piracy” or loose their aid.  In the Organized Crime world, words like “money laundering”, “extortion”,” fraud”,  “bait &amp; switch”, “bribe”, “kick back”, and “corruption”, as well as a host of other descriptions would flow.   Sad to say, the term business as usual applies,… and the tax-payers  foot the bill.   Just follow the bouncing ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug Jacobson &#8211; the RIAA’s inexpert expert &#8211; Audio Magic?  You forgot to mention that after the RIAA shake down, the colleges are then presented with &#8220;Audio Magic” a program that is supposed to stop file sharing.  (It must work because every university that has invested money in it has been clear of suits.)  Gee, I wonder how that happens.    </p>
<p>So first comes the MediaSentry secret &amp; private investigations.  The university is then contacted by HRO asking that it forward  &#8220;Dear Sir or Madam- we have discovered your IP address&#8221; extortion letters to its students. This uses the university staff to do the dirty work.  For those students who did not settle, next comes the  &#8220;John Doe &#8211; ex Parte lawsuit phase&#8221;, (the University is then again forced to use its money and resources to identify those student by name that MediaSentry &#8220;has discovered&#8221;).  This forces the University into bed with the RIAA.  After the &#8220;Doe&#8221; lawsuit phase and the courts force the university to roll over, and release the names of it’s students,  (those names that match up to MediaSentry&#8217;s guess work) , the phone calls and threats of lawsuits start. By now, Morgan S is making the calls from the Settlement Center, and Donald is sending the HRO letters.  While this is going on, the university is contacted about &#8220;anti file sharing&#8221; software called Audio Magic.  It comes with the promise of ending the  &#8220;file-sharing problem&#8221;.  This is “Expert Witness” Doug Jacobson&#8217;s baby.  He gets a kick back from the sale of Audio Magic.   Not to be left out, the RIAA once again slithers into the picture, with&#8230; (Until its demise)  the RIAA approved &#8220;Ruckus&#8221; program, or some similar RIAA sponsored program DRM laden music program. These programs are also sold to the University to “minimize the problem”.   Through this whole process, Federal and State money that should be used by the University to beef up its academics or lower the cost to the students gets funneled back into the greedy paws of the RIAA.   Out from under the rocks and crevices in Washington DC, &#8220;entertainment&#8221; lobbyist buy Congress to promote legislation that would require that any Universities that receives Federal Money be required to have programs in place to combat &#8220;Piracy” or loose their aid.  In the Organized Crime world, words like “money laundering”, “extortion”,” fraud”,  “bait &amp; switch”, “bribe”, “kick back”, and “corruption”, as well as a host of other descriptions would flow.   Sad to say, the term business as usual applies,… and the tax-payers  foot the bill.   Just follow the bouncing ball.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Hanff</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971462</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Hanff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in 2005 I wrote a fairly long post on Slyck&#039;s forums looking at the danger these &quot;Sue &#039;em all&quot; tactics posed to society and one of the points I raised was that inevitably this campaign would eventually result in the loss of a life to suicide as a result of the stress these threats cause.  I am glad that on this occassion the young lady in question did not go ahead and commit suicide but I fear it is only a matter of time until someone does (if indeed they haven&#039;t already).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 2005 I wrote a fairly long post on Slyck&#8217;s forums looking at the danger these &#8220;Sue &#8216;em all&#8221; tactics posed to society and one of the points I raised was that inevitably this campaign would eventually result in the loss of a life to suicide as a result of the stress these threats cause.  I am glad that on this occassion the young lady in question did not go ahead and commit suicide but I fear it is only a matter of time until someone does (if indeed they haven&#8217;t already).</p>
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		<title>By: hackers/pirates of the world unite</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971333</link>
		<dc:creator>hackers/pirates of the world unite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the places where they are considered d are places where YOU could be one.......
without any real license or training or regulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the places where they are considered d are places where YOU could be one&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
without any real license or training or regulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971320</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon said:
&quot;MediaSentry rides again?

Only if justice is dead in the Obama administration.&quot;

Obama kills justice:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush

Guess mediasentry rides again....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon said:<br />
&#8220;MediaSentry rides again?</p>
<p>Only if justice is dead in the Obama administration.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obama kills justice:<br />
<a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush</a></p>
<p>Guess mediasentry rides again&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971318</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If Media Sentry IS licensed as a private investigator in at least one state, then that makes any argument of legal ambiguity by them (in my opinion) moot.&quot;

The odd thing is that US laws state that the license needs to be valid in the state that the charges are filed and tried.
Very certainly, that should mean MediaSenseless is breaking the law in 99% of these cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Media Sentry IS licensed as a private investigator in at least one state, then that makes any argument of legal ambiguity by them (in my opinion) moot.&#8221;</p>
<p>The odd thing is that US laws state that the license needs to be valid in the state that the charges are filed and tried.<br />
Very certainly, that should mean MediaSenseless is breaking the law in 99% of these cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Sneed Hern</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971288</link>
		<dc:creator>Sneed Hern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Quartz said:
&gt;Such “wiggle” room is not required as what they do is not open to debate, the terms of what constitutes a private investigator are pretty &gt;clearly defined in most state laws and MediaSentry do indeed fall foul of such definitions.

Completely agree - but if you have been following the litigation over on Ray Beckerman&#039;s blog, the RIAA/Media Sentry are attempting to create that entirely disingenuous concept of &quot;wiggle room&quot;, by removing the word &quot;investigation&quot; from their web site and responding to the Massachusetts cease and desist order by declaring that they are not a private investigator.  

If Media Sentry IS licensed as a private investigator in at least one state, then that makes any argument of legal ambiguity by them (in my opinion) moot.

Please don&#039;t take my post(s) in any way as an endorsement of their tactics; your characterization of them as corporate terrorists is entirely appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Quartz said:<br />
&gt;Such “wiggle” room is not required as what they do is not open to debate, the terms of what constitutes a private investigator are pretty &gt;clearly defined in most state laws and MediaSentry do indeed fall foul of such definitions.</p>
<p>Completely agree &#8211; but if you have been following the litigation over on Ray Beckerman&#8217;s blog, the RIAA/Media Sentry are attempting to create that entirely disingenuous concept of &#8220;wiggle room&#8221;, by removing the word &#8220;investigation&#8221; from their web site and responding to the Massachusetts cease and desist order by declaring that they are not a private investigator.  </p>
<p>If Media Sentry IS licensed as a private investigator in at least one state, then that makes any argument of legal ambiguity by them (in my opinion) moot.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take my post(s) in any way as an endorsement of their tactics; your characterization of them as corporate terrorists is entirely appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Quartz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971231</link>
		<dc:creator>Quartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such &quot;wiggle&quot; room is not required as what they do is not open to debate, the terms of what constitutes a private investigator are pretty clearly defined in most state laws and MediaSentry do indeed fall foul of such definitions.

I myself dont see such wiggle room being necessary when they are clearly commiting criminal acts in facillitation of their &quot;corporate terrorism&quot; agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such &#8220;wiggle&#8221; room is not required as what they do is not open to debate, the terms of what constitutes a private investigator are pretty clearly defined in most state laws and MediaSentry do indeed fall foul of such definitions.</p>
<p>I myself dont see such wiggle room being necessary when they are clearly commiting criminal acts in facillitation of their &#8220;corporate terrorism&#8221; agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Sneed Hern</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971197</link>
		<dc:creator>Sneed Hern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been a lot focus placed on the fact that Media Sentry are unlicensed to practice private investigations in many states.  If Media Sentry are unlicensed as private investigators in ALL states, then that may provide the wiggle room to argue that what they are doing is not PI work, thereby leaving open what the definition of &quot;private investigation&quot; is.  Which is exactly what the RIAA is saying, and what Media Sentry themselves argue.  I would be VERY curious, however, to discover if there is at least ONE state in which Media Sentry ARE licensed as private investigators.  Seems to me then, that the &quot;wiggle room&quot;, and the debate over whether they are performing private investigations disappears.  That would seem to define what they do as &quot;private investigating&quot; -  since they licensed as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a lot focus placed on the fact that Media Sentry are unlicensed to practice private investigations in many states.  If Media Sentry are unlicensed as private investigators in ALL states, then that may provide the wiggle room to argue that what they are doing is not PI work, thereby leaving open what the definition of &#8220;private investigation&#8221; is.  Which is exactly what the RIAA is saying, and what Media Sentry themselves argue.  I would be VERY curious, however, to discover if there is at least ONE state in which Media Sentry ARE licensed as private investigators.  Seems to me then, that the &#8220;wiggle room&#8221;, and the debate over whether they are performing private investigations disappears.  That would seem to define what they do as &#8220;private investigating&#8221; &#8211;  since they licensed as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Quartz</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971163</link>
		<dc:creator>Quartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting peice Jon but it does seem to me you need to reformat it to obtain more precise effect, the topic seemed to jump around a lot when the reality is you dont need to do more than present the hard facts that you have spent time gathering to show the concerns and effects of allowing the RIAA and ilk free rein.

Aside from that minor comment, excellent work Jon, I,ll be linking to this from my own site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting peice Jon but it does seem to me you need to reformat it to obtain more precise effect, the topic seemed to jump around a lot when the reality is you dont need to do more than present the hard facts that you have spent time gathering to show the concerns and effects of allowing the RIAA and ilk free rein.</p>
<p>Aside from that minor comment, excellent work Jon, I,ll be linking to this from my own site.</p>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971160</link>
		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed...

&#039;You miss 100% of the shots you don&#039;t take&#039;
 -Wayne Gretzky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;You miss 100% of the shots you don&#8217;t take&#8217;<br />
 -Wayne Gretzky</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971156</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite an epic commentary, and highly informative. This really needs to be displayed at the top of the front page. I&#039;d hate to see this excellent article get buried!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite an epic commentary, and highly informative. This really needs to be displayed at the top of the front page. I&#8217;d hate to see this excellent article get buried!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971155</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re probably correct. But I if you don&#039;t try, you don&#039;t stand a chance of winning.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably correct. But I if you don&#8217;t try, you don&#8217;t stand a chance of winning.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971117</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those interested in a revision of the statutory damage provisions of the Copyright Act to bring them more in line with actual damages when suits are brought at the consumer level, the theater of a wide-ranging investigation of the RIAA campaign would be an excellent predicate to legislative attention and ultimate action. The review could encompass the genesis of the consumer campaign, its tactics, its burden on the legal system and taxpayers, its potential violation of privacy and snooping laws, its potential abuse of the judge-made antitrust exemption for joint litigation activities, its allegedly abusive boiler room approach to forced settlements, its repeated failures to properly investigate claims of infringement in advance of filing legal process and its obvious total lack of moral compass other than the almost prehistoric notion of two wrongs making a right.  Would be a good bit of politics for those interested in such and might help, like a reconciliation process, the media companies to return to normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested in a revision of the statutory damage provisions of the Copyright Act to bring them more in line with actual damages when suits are brought at the consumer level, the theater of a wide-ranging investigation of the RIAA campaign would be an excellent predicate to legislative attention and ultimate action. The review could encompass the genesis of the consumer campaign, its tactics, its burden on the legal system and taxpayers, its potential violation of privacy and snooping laws, its potential abuse of the judge-made antitrust exemption for joint litigation activities, its allegedly abusive boiler room approach to forced settlements, its repeated failures to properly investigate claims of infringement in advance of filing legal process and its obvious total lack of moral compass other than the almost prehistoric notion of two wrongs making a right.  Would be a good bit of politics for those interested in such and might help, like a reconciliation process, the media companies to return to normal.</p>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/19711/comment-page-1#comment-971105</link>
		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sadly, Jon, never gonna happen..

too many palms have been greased already.. the world is corrupt from the top down, not the other way around..

u, and others have to realize, orwellian 1984 is already here, its not coming, its here. FBI shut down a few million innocent users access to 911 because MPAA told them that a &#039;certian&#039; host was infringing on their copyright. the FUDS showed up and pulled the plugs, in amerika, land of the free.

if you are not already shopping around for a vpn, you should be... darknets encrypted packets in the late &#039;90&#039;s

if you want to free your country if industry influence, then vote with your wallet.. it&#039;s the only thing they will understand.

stw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sadly, Jon, never gonna happen..</p>
<p>too many palms have been greased already.. the world is corrupt from the top down, not the other way around..</p>
<p>u, and others have to realize, orwellian 1984 is already here, its not coming, its here. FBI shut down a few million innocent users access to 911 because MPAA told them that a &#8216;certian&#8217; host was infringing on their copyright. the FUDS showed up and pulled the plugs, in amerika, land of the free.</p>
<p>if you are not already shopping around for a vpn, you should be&#8230; darknets encrypted packets in the late &#8217;90&#8217;s</p>
<p>if you want to free your country if industry influence, then vote with your wallet.. it&#8217;s the only thing they will understand.</p>
<p>stw</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice IS dead in the Obama administration. If you thought otherwise, think again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice IS dead in the Obama administration. If you thought otherwise, think again.</p>
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