Scientology: If you can’t con ‘em, kill ‘em
p2pnet news view Freedom | P2P:- An audio clip from a lecture by Scientology cult founder L. Ron Hubbard has him confirming, “clearly in his own voice,” something called R2-45 as the “act of shooting a person with a firearm to release the ‘thetan’ (spirit) from their body,” says Wikileaks.
Apparently, R2-45 is cited in Hubbard’s The Creation of Human Ability: A Handbook for Scientologists as “AN ENORMOUSLY EFFECTIVE PROCESS FOR EXTERIORIZATION BUT ITS USE IS FROWNED UPON BY THIS SOCIETY AT THIS TIME.”)
“Rationale of Create Series” (lecture code 5911C20) was given by Hubbard on November 20, 1959, in Melbourne, Australia, says Wikileaks, adding:
“It is lecture 19 in the 1st Melbourne Advanced Clinical Course (subtitled Responsibility and the State of OT) as packaged by the Church of Scientology.”
Other material available on the internet suggests Hubbard, “ordered members of the Sea Org to use R2-45 on certain people he had declared Suppressive Persons,” says the post.
R2-45, “specifically pertains to shooting the target with a Colt .45 pistol, causing the victim’s ‘thetan’ to leave the body (exteriorization),” says the Wikipedia, continuing:
“In 1952 during a meeting in Phoenix, Arizona, Hubbard demonstrated the process of R2-45 by firing a shot at the floor. In a lecture of 1958, Hubbard comments that ‘Death is not the same as clearing but there is, remember, R2-45. It’s a very valid technique. A lot of people have used it before now.”
Elron was only joking, say cultists, quoted in the Wikipedia post.
But, “former Scientologist Bent Corydon wrote that in late 1967 at Saint Hill, he personally received a copy of an order naming four former Scientologists as enemies and ‘fair game’ and ordering any Sea Org member who encountered them to use R2-45,” it adds.
(Thanks, Marc)
Wikileaks – Scientology cult recording: R2-45 is the act of shooting a person with a firearm, 20 Nov 1959, April 12, 2009
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April 14th, 2009 at 11:47 am
brilliant pic jon
April 14th, 2009 at 11:48 am
lol, love the title.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:50 am
yes this cult of scientology is deadly and these guys must be stoped.
They do kill people.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Scientology scares me. It’s interesting how ridiculous claims can be heard and believed by a lot of people without anyone demonstrating any evidence for those claims.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
What a great idea! That almost kinda makes me want to R2-45 any scinentologist I encounter! Nah, I’m just joking – just like Hubbard was just joking, right?
What else was he “just joking” about? How about about pretty much everything in scientology? It was his own big, insanely malicious, joke on society and some morons still fall for it!
April 14th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I think it is more interesting the recent reports about the Vatican’s “special facility” for Catholic priests who sexually abuse young boys. It seems it’s cheaper to just “remove them from temptation” then pay out another $100 million to those who were abused. DOES ANYONE KNOW where this “special facility” is or where it might be?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Here’s the clip in YouTube format: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyuDkhcA1To
April 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
For Real, if you had read the article instead of just the title, the word R2-45, and Bent Corydon’s name, you would’ve seen this:
âRationale of Create Seriesâ (lecture code 5911C20) was given by Hubbard on November 20, 1959, in Melbourne, Australia, says Wikileaks, adding:
âIt is lecture 19 in the 1st Melbourne Advanced Clinical Course (subtitled Responsibility and the State of OT) as packaged by the Church of Scientology.â
I was the one who leaked this audio clip. I happened to listen to entire lecture before isolating this. You are free to do so as well. In the lecture, Hubbard makes absolutely no other reference to R2-45 that what is said in this clip.
As for The Creation Of Human Ability, I own it, and have read it. The absolute only reference to R2-45 in that book is also already quoted in this article (again, might’ve been good to have read it first):
Apparently, R2-45 is cited in Hubbardâs The Creation of Human Ability: A Handbook for Scientologists as âAN ENORMOUSLY EFFECTIVE PROCESS FOR EXTERIORIZATION BUT ITS USE IS FROWNED UPON BY THIS SOCIETY AT THIS TIME.â)
[Note: 'Real' quoted by LeakLicker is a Scientologist. I deleted his/her posts. I don't want to give the cult a chance to use p2pnet to for 'arguments'. And yes. I'm definitely biased. Jon. ]
April 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
oh, BTW, because you can’t CON me, are you going to KILL me?
April 14th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Yes, some former Scientologists believe that if Scientology were allowed to gain control of governments, they would dispose of people low on their “tone scale” which would include schizophrenics, gays and critics. Scientology is not about good wholesome loony fun. They are a seriously disturbed cult, bent on world domination.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Do they allow P2P?
Where do they stand on ACTA?
heh
April 14th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
For Real, please explain the following for me if you can:
“http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/images/1968-auditor37-r2-45.jpg”
This is from an official Scientology publication, a magazine called The Auditor 37. It was printed in 1968. That’s L. Ron Hubbard’s signature right there. Here’s the full image of that page: “http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/images/1968-auditor37-p2.jpg”
And here’s an HCO Ethics Order also from 1968 that L. Ron Hubbard wrote: “http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/images/1968-0306-hco-eo-30-int.jpg”
Look at number 7. There it is again. This is a real document that was submitted as evidence in court.
There is no logical way to look at this evidence and come up with any conclusion other than the fact that L. Ron Hubbard ordered murder.
[Note: 'Real' quoted by LeakLicker is a Scientologist. I deleted his/her posts. I don't want to give the cult a chance to use p2pnet to for 'arguments'. Yes. I'm definitely biased. And No, I won't give CoS shills a chance to 'expand and reason'. Comments are closed for this post. Jon. ]
April 14th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
I wonder if Lisa McPherson was so far the only person to be murdered by Scientology cultists?