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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20623/comment-page-1#comment-972591</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What hasn&#039;t been asked yet in these comments is, &quot;Is it an unreasonable reaction to what the organization being attacked has done?&quot;

You can spew the &#039;It&#039;s a waste to DDoS, it&#039;s illegal, it&#039;s childish, ad nauseum&#039; but does anyone have a better idea? The corporations have demonstrated not only an ability but a willingness to buy their way into having the advantage in courts and governments. Despite there being multiple artists who have said they really aren&#039;t that hurt by online file sharing, despite the fact that a CD that costs 8 bucks a concert costs 20 at a record store, despite the recording and movie industries constantly shoving the worst shit down our throats in order to fill their already bloated wallets, there seems to be surprise that finally action is being taken. How many TV networks have gotten smart and put free content online? Marvel got smart and put up their digital comics section and charged a very reasonable price to access it. 

Warner Bros. brought up this option, charging everyone an extra 1-2 bucks a month from their ISP in order to access the entire media library of the company, and they were shouted down. But I bet you that if the music and movie industry would adopt that idea now there wouldn&#039;t be this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What hasn&#8217;t been asked yet in these comments is, &#8220;Is it an unreasonable reaction to what the organization being attacked has done?&#8221;</p>
<p>You can spew the &#8216;It&#8217;s a waste to DDoS, it&#8217;s illegal, it&#8217;s childish, ad nauseum&#8217; but does anyone have a better idea? The corporations have demonstrated not only an ability but a willingness to buy their way into having the advantage in courts and governments. Despite there being multiple artists who have said they really aren&#8217;t that hurt by online file sharing, despite the fact that a CD that costs 8 bucks a concert costs 20 at a record store, despite the recording and movie industries constantly shoving the worst shit down our throats in order to fill their already bloated wallets, there seems to be surprise that finally action is being taken. How many TV networks have gotten smart and put free content online? Marvel got smart and put up their digital comics section and charged a very reasonable price to access it. </p>
<p>Warner Bros. brought up this option, charging everyone an extra 1-2 bucks a month from their ISP in order to access the entire media library of the company, and they were shouted down. But I bet you that if the music and movie industry would adopt that idea now there wouldn&#8217;t be this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Troll Detector</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20623/comment-page-1#comment-972558</link>
		<dc:creator>Troll Detector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;going and and the&quot;
&quot;going... flowing&quot;
&quot;drilb&quot;

wat

Also, you used five &#039;and&#039;s in two sentences there.


Look, these guys didn&#039;t come from irc.anonnet.org. They came from 4chan. I was there, and I saw the messages planning the DDoS long before it actually happened. If you know anything about 4chan, you know that these people are completely unorganized. I bet you a couple of thousand people saw the plans to attack ifpi.org and thought it was a good idea, but only a handful of people committed to it, i.e. 250, if this article is to be trusted. Whoever wrote this article seems to know this. They knew enough to say it was the same people that were behind project chanology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;going and and the&#8221;<br />
&#8220;going&#8230; flowing&#8221;<br />
&#8220;drilb&#8221;</p>
<p>wat</p>
<p>Also, you used five &#8216;and&#8217;s in two sentences there.</p>
<p>Look, these guys didn&#8217;t come from irc.anonnet.org. They came from 4chan. I was there, and I saw the messages planning the DDoS long before it actually happened. If you know anything about 4chan, you know that these people are completely unorganized. I bet you a couple of thousand people saw the plans to attack ifpi.org and thought it was a good idea, but only a handful of people committed to it, i.e. 250, if this article is to be trusted. Whoever wrote this article seems to know this. They knew enough to say it was the same people that were behind project chanology.</p>
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		<title>By: United Hackers Association</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20623/comment-page-1#comment-972551</link>
		<dc:creator>United Hackers Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh
more like informed person who knows whats going and and the above troll hasn&#039;t even got his windshield wipers flowing BUT hey flaming users its what its all about and you certainly have the research to back up a lame excuse for a pathetic skillset of drilb.

AND ya know we tried it YOUR way, AND YOU ALL FAILED....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh<br />
more like informed person who knows whats going and and the above troll hasn&#8217;t even got his windshield wipers flowing BUT hey flaming users its what its all about and you certainly have the research to back up a lame excuse for a pathetic skillset of drilb.</p>
<p>AND ya know we tried it YOUR way, AND YOU ALL FAILED&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Troll Detector</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20623/comment-page-1#comment-972543</link>
		<dc:creator>Troll Detector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote
&quot;you people don’t have any clue do you what your really dealing with…..
Which is just fine with me.

And it will……&quot;
unquote

Troll Detected in Sector 3!
Red Alert!
Red Alert!
Ready the LOIC!</description>
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&#8220;you people don’t have any clue do you what your really dealing with…..<br />
Which is just fine with me.</p>
<p>And it will……&#8221;<br />
unquote</p>
<p>Troll Detected in Sector 3!<br />
Red Alert!<br />
Red Alert!<br />
Ready the LOIC!</p>
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		<title>By: United Hackers Association</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20623/comment-page-1#comment-972527</link>
		<dc:creator>United Hackers Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you people don&#039;t have any clue do you what your really dealing with.....
Which is just fine with me.

And it will......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you people don&#8217;t have any clue do you what your really dealing with&#8230;..<br />
Which is just fine with me.</p>
<p>And it will&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal as it may be, I certainly don&#039;t care if it continues.
: )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal as it may be, I certainly don&#8217;t care if it continues.<br />
: )</p>
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		<title>By: www.eZee.se</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.eZee.se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>==snip==
“also very very illegal.”

Since there is no justice ther is no such thing as illegal.
==/snip==

When i said illegal i meant that this can at times be traced back to you and there are laws in most countries that give you hard time for this...

this is a little beyond &quot;lets download a song even though its illegal... because that law is BS and they cant ever catch me.&quot;

To have a good DDOS attack you need a botnet or ... a lot of people organized to &quot;visit&quot; a site at once...
think about it.

@H.E Thanks for the explanation

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>==snip==<br />
“also very very illegal.”</p>
<p>Since there is no justice ther is no such thing as illegal.<br />
==/snip==</p>
<p>When i said illegal i meant that this can at times be traced back to you and there are laws in most countries that give you hard time for this&#8230;</p>
<p>this is a little beyond &#8220;lets download a song even though its illegal&#8230; because that law is BS and they cant ever catch me.&#8221;</p>
<p>To have a good DDOS attack you need a botnet or &#8230; a lot of people organized to &#8220;visit&#8221; a site at once&#8230;<br />
think about it.</p>
<p>@H.E Thanks for the explanation</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;DdoS attacks are bullshit and pretty much pointless&quot;

Not totally. They generated a certain amount of media buzz.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;DdoS attacks are bullshit and pretty much pointless&#8221;</p>
<p>Not totally. They generated a certain amount of media buzz.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;also very very illegal.&quot;

Since there is no justice ther is no such thing as illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;also very very illegal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since there is no justice ther is no such thing as illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20623/comment-page-1#comment-972465</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ezee.se:
   There are no &quot;those guys&quot; behind &quot;anonymous&quot;.
   It&#039;s basically the ultimate &quot;flash mob&quot;: people put out ideas, and if people are interested, they do their own thing with it.
   The only reason Chanology was interesting is because enough people hate the Church of Scientology that they felt like being involved with the Chanology &quot;brand&quot;.  

    Anonymous is &quot;designed&quot; (if you can even apply that term) that way.
    I mean, come on -- what real common &quot;party line&quot; can you get from:

   1. Chanology (attack on Church of Scientology)
   2. Hacktivism against that racist guy
   3. Seizure-bombing epilepsy-awareness website.
   4. Raiding Habbo Hotel online-world with Samuel-Jackson lookalikes
   5. Defacing hiphop-related websites.
   6. Unleashing a rain of penises on Anshe Chung&#039;s press conference in Second Life.

    You can&#039;t, because there IS no &quot;organization&quot; there, in the conventional sense of the term.

   It&#039;s even more amorphous than the &quot;leaderless-resistance&quot; structure used by dissident Right-wing groups in the U.S. back in the 1990s -- this isn&#039;t even &quot;Cells&quot;, and there&#039;s no &quot;command&quot;-structure.

   Just a bunch of anonymous chatboards, encyclopedia dramatica, Ebaums world, and whatever else somebody decides to use.

   That is also why media coverage related to &quot;Anonymous&quot; is total bullshit.

    You can&#039;t &quot;stop&quot; anonymous because it&#039;s not an &quot;organization&quot; in the conventional sense of the term.

   It&#039;s ad-hoc, emergent, not just &quot;de-centralized&quot; but ANTI-CENTRAL (if that&#039;s even a word).

   Read the articles related to them at wikipedia and encyclopedia dramatica -- I see &quot;anti-organizations&quot; such as Anonymous as the wave of the future, really:  flash-mobs on a global scale.

   But yeah, I agree with you that DdoS attacks are bullshit and pretty much pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezee.se:<br />
   There are no &#8220;those guys&#8221; behind &#8220;anonymous&#8221;.<br />
   It&#8217;s basically the ultimate &#8220;flash mob&#8221;: people put out ideas, and if people are interested, they do their own thing with it.<br />
   The only reason Chanology was interesting is because enough people hate the Church of Scientology that they felt like being involved with the Chanology &#8220;brand&#8221;.  </p>
<p>    Anonymous is &#8220;designed&#8221; (if you can even apply that term) that way.<br />
    I mean, come on &#8212; what real common &#8220;party line&#8221; can you get from:</p>
<p>   1. Chanology (attack on Church of Scientology)<br />
   2. Hacktivism against that racist guy<br />
   3. Seizure-bombing epilepsy-awareness website.<br />
   4. Raiding Habbo Hotel online-world with Samuel-Jackson lookalikes<br />
   5. Defacing hiphop-related websites.<br />
   6. Unleashing a rain of penises on Anshe Chung&#8217;s press conference in Second Life.</p>
<p>    You can&#8217;t, because there IS no &#8220;organization&#8221; there, in the conventional sense of the term.</p>
<p>   It&#8217;s even more amorphous than the &#8220;leaderless-resistance&#8221; structure used by dissident Right-wing groups in the U.S. back in the 1990s &#8212; this isn&#8217;t even &#8220;Cells&#8221;, and there&#8217;s no &#8220;command&#8221;-structure.</p>
<p>   Just a bunch of anonymous chatboards, encyclopedia dramatica, Ebaums world, and whatever else somebody decides to use.</p>
<p>   That is also why media coverage related to &#8220;Anonymous&#8221; is total bullshit.</p>
<p>    You can&#8217;t &#8220;stop&#8221; anonymous because it&#8217;s not an &#8220;organization&#8221; in the conventional sense of the term.</p>
<p>   It&#8217;s ad-hoc, emergent, not just &#8220;de-centralized&#8221; but ANTI-CENTRAL (if that&#8217;s even a word).</p>
<p>   Read the articles related to them at wikipedia and encyclopedia dramatica &#8212; I see &#8220;anti-organizations&#8221; such as Anonymous as the wave of the future, really:  flash-mobs on a global scale.</p>
<p>   But yeah, I agree with you that DdoS attacks are bullshit and pretty much pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: www.eZee.se</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.eZee.se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DDOSing is really a bad idea, more like a child throwing a quick tantrum... and forgotten equally as fast, I wish i could speak to those guys and get something more constructive out of all of that computing power...   

... also very very illegal.

Such a waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DDOSing is really a bad idea, more like a child throwing a quick tantrum&#8230; and forgotten equally as fast, I wish i could speak to those guys and get something more constructive out of all of that computing power&#8230;   </p>
<p>&#8230; also very very illegal.</p>
<p>Such a waste.</p>
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