Comments on: Canada ‘flooding the US’ with illegal music http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954 p2pnet.net - reader powered Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:00:41 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-974859 Anonymous Fri, 29 May 2009 05:33:47 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-974859 Oh where screwed NOW! RIAA & MPAA be knocking people door down. OH AM SCARED US! YOU BAN CANADA 'PHUCK OFF - GET A LIFE US' Oh where screwed NOW! RIAA & MPAA be knocking people door down. OH AM SCARED US! YOU BAN CANADA ‘PHUCK OFF – GET A LIFE US’

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-973060 Reader's Write Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:12:51 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-973060 Let's look at some of these numbers . The population listed in the 1900 US Census was 76M. Growth back then was around 1.5M per year, so that should put the 1897 population at around 71.5M. Using current demographic distributions, roughly 60% of the population is between the age of 20-65. So, let's say there were approximately 40M potential sheet music customers at the time. The US Census lists the number of musicians in 1910 at 139,310. I assume the census is tracking those that list music as a profession so I'm going to estimate there are 100x people for every one person that claims to be a musician. That puts us at 13M musicians (professional and amateur) ... around 30% of the population at that time. I thought the projected losses might be way out of line at 5M/month. Since their business had fallen off by 50%, that would put monthly sheet music sales at 10M/month. Maybe back then, every musician did buy a new song every month. Maybe these projections were legitimate. Probably the most important point to take away from this is that counterfeiting only occurs when there is a financial incentive. If the sheet music could be profitably reproduced by "pirates" for 2-5 cents, that means that US publishers enjoyed a 4x-20x profit differential based on what they were selling the same sheet music for. This profit differential seems to be about in line with CD prices these days, hence the continued financial incentive for modern day counterfeiting. Only way to curb counterfeiting is to eliminate the financial incentive. See Moser Baer's actions in India: (http://ecophilo.blogspot.com/2008/01/moser-baer-dvds.html). They're selling DVDs for the same price as rental DVDs. The main reason they are able to do so is because MB is a disc media manufacturer that has purchased the rights to many Indian films. However, it is my position that the cost of reproduction when it comes to 1s and 0s is close to zero. I think that by purchasing the rights to these films in a digital world, MB has found a "value-added" way to grow their core business, selling disc media. Let’s look at some of these numbers . The population listed in the 1900 US Census was 76M. Growth back then was around 1.5M per year, so that should put the 1897 population at around 71.5M. Using current demographic distributions, roughly 60% of the population is between the age of 20-65. So, let’s say there were approximately 40M potential sheet music customers at the time.

The US Census lists the number of musicians in 1910 at 139,310. I assume the census is tracking those that list music as a profession so I’m going to estimate there are 100x people for every one person that claims to be a musician. That puts us at 13M musicians (professional and amateur) … around 30% of the population at that time.

I thought the projected losses might be way out of line at 5M/month. Since their business had fallen off by 50%, that would put monthly sheet music sales at 10M/month. Maybe back then, every musician did buy a new song every month. Maybe these projections were legitimate.

Probably the most important point to take away from this is that counterfeiting only occurs when there is a financial incentive. If the sheet music could be profitably reproduced by “pirates” for 2-5 cents, that means that US publishers enjoyed a 4x-20x profit differential based on what they were selling the same sheet music for. This profit differential seems to be about in line with CD prices these days, hence the continued financial incentive for modern day counterfeiting.

Only way to curb counterfeiting is to eliminate the financial incentive. See Moser Baer’s actions in India: (http://ecophilo.blogspot.com/2008/01/moser-baer-dvds.html). They’re selling DVDs for the same price as rental DVDs. The main reason they are able to do so is because MB is a disc media manufacturer that has purchased the rights to many Indian films.

However, it is my position that the cost of reproduction when it comes to 1s and 0s is close to zero. I think that by purchasing the rights to these films in a digital world, MB has found a “value-added” way to grow their core business, selling disc media.

]]> By: Scaramouche http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972936 Scaramouche Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:05:46 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972936 No mention of Nickelback? I actually dont mind them (Ducks for cover...) No mention of Nickelback? I actually dont mind them (Ducks for cover…)

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972917 Reader's Write Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:26:09 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972917 Another BS from the master of BS! Another BS from the master of BS!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972916 Reader's Write Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:24:27 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972916 Canada is Screwed! We will never let Canada have Celine Dion back! Sorry! Canada is Screwed!

We will never let Canada have Celine Dion back!

Sorry!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972911 Reader's Write Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:24:59 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972911 Matty, you took the words right out of my mouth. Most of the artists we hear about are manufactured artists. I personally do not listen to the top 40 for that very reason. None of them have any business calling them selves artists. Matty, you took the words right out of my mouth.
Most of the artists we hear about are manufactured artists.
I personally do not listen to the top 40 for that very reason.
None of them have any business calling them selves artists.

]]> By: United Hackers Association http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972910 United Hackers Association Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:24:16 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972910 WAIT we pay a levy for what exactly..... WAIT

we pay a levy for what exactly…..

]]> By: United Hackers Association http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972909 United Hackers Association Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:22:55 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972909 good lord go start up a torrent anywhere and what do you see , lil american flags LOL ALSO do Canadians have high speed OR 25KBytes during the time they want ot use the net? HRMMMM me thinks someone azzholio needs to get a screw attached to his inner ear cause he cant hear the truth. good lord go start up a torrent anywhere and what do you see , lil american flags LOL

ALSO do Canadians have high speed OR 25KBytes during the time they want ot use the net?
HRMMMM me thinks someone azzholio needs to get a screw attached to his inner ear cause he cant hear the truth.

]]> By: dude2255 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972902 dude2255 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:19:25 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972902 Grammar, please. Grammar, please.

]]> By: Robert http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972901 Robert Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:57:13 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972901 5 millions copies of printed music sold in one month? Do they really believe that there are 5 million people who can read music, let alone who would purchase musical scores? Sounds just like Hollywood's $17 Billion lost due to piracy in 2008. 5 millions copies of printed music sold in one month? Do they really believe that there are 5 million people who can read music, let alone who would purchase musical scores?

Sounds just like Hollywood’s $17 Billion lost due to piracy in 2008.

]]> By: Canadian http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972899 Canadian Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:44:12 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972899 We exported Celine Dion to the states. She lives in Vegas and the Americans love her. We couldn't take her voice here. We exported Celine Dion to the states. She lives in Vegas and the Americans love her.

We couldn’t take her voice here.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972897 Reader's Write Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:18:33 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972897 Celine Dion - sure, she should have got a pie in the face from Entartistes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entartistes but why Barenaked Ladies? Celine Dion – sure, she should have got a pie in the face from Entartistes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entartistes

but why Barenaked Ladies?

]]> By: Matty http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20954/comment-page-1#comment-972895 Matty Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:12:40 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=20954#comment-972895 Nickelback, Barenaked Ladies, and Celine Dion should all have been made illegal in the first place. Nickelback, Barenaked Ladies, and Celine Dion should all have been made illegal in the first place.

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