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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21032/comment-page-1#comment-973115</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Henry:
&quot;I dunno about you...&quot;

Everything you&#039;re saying completely mirrors my own opinion on it.

The &quot;corporate person&quot; is allowed to operate and function as an individual, yet no bound by the same accountabilities as a natural person.
You can&#039;t seem to directly charge a &quot;corporate person&quot; for the crimes commited collectively by that corporation.

A &quot;corporation&quot; seems to also enjoy more protection from failure.  The &quot;bailout&quot; scenario points this out quite effectively.
And, just today I&#039;m reading how the Senate completely rejected all proposal to help the victimized homeowners, though the corporate world was totally responsible for creating the disaster, and the Senate itself was instrumental in putting the homeowners in that position in the first place.

They&#039;ll run the Fed&#039;s presses night and day if necessary, at a COST, in order to give $billions$ of taxpayer-subsidized currency to AIG and all the other fatcats, but couldn&#039;t &quot;justify&quot; implementing plans for the working stiff that were merely asking for temporarily longer terms and lower interests.  All the corporate welfare recipients immediately start distributing the spoils to themselves and their cronies as bonuses, and actually get to keep their jobs (which really should have been one of the biggest issues), while the homeowners and other working class (the backbone of the Western Economy) might as well start selling drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Henry:<br />
&#8220;I dunno about you&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Everything you&#8217;re saying completely mirrors my own opinion on it.</p>
<p>The &#8220;corporate person&#8221; is allowed to operate and function as an individual, yet no bound by the same accountabilities as a natural person.<br />
You can&#8217;t seem to directly charge a &#8220;corporate person&#8221; for the crimes commited collectively by that corporation.</p>
<p>A &#8220;corporation&#8221; seems to also enjoy more protection from failure.  The &#8220;bailout&#8221; scenario points this out quite effectively.<br />
And, just today I&#8217;m reading how the Senate completely rejected all proposal to help the victimized homeowners, though the corporate world was totally responsible for creating the disaster, and the Senate itself was instrumental in putting the homeowners in that position in the first place.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll run the Fed&#8217;s presses night and day if necessary, at a COST, in order to give $billions$ of taxpayer-subsidized currency to AIG and all the other fatcats, but couldn&#8217;t &#8220;justify&#8221; implementing plans for the working stiff that were merely asking for temporarily longer terms and lower interests.  All the corporate welfare recipients immediately start distributing the spoils to themselves and their cronies as bonuses, and actually get to keep their jobs (which really should have been one of the biggest issues), while the homeowners and other working class (the backbone of the Western Economy) might as well start selling drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21032/comment-page-1#comment-973087</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DA:
   Yeah.  The whole thing started to go wrong with corporate &quot;personhood&quot;.
   I dunno about you, but the mere idea of granting a business-structure the same rights as REAL human beings, while insulating those who run such business from the consequences of their actions is just a recipe for disaster.

   1. If corporations are &quot;persons&quot;, then they become entitled to stuff like freedom of speech, freedom from &quot;unreasonable&quot; search and seizure, and involvement in political lobbying.  That&#039;s just a bad idea, because by design, for-profit corporations &quot;care&quot; about exactly ONE thing: short-term profitability.  ALL other potential concerns (human rights, ecological impact, etc.) are merely viewed as &quot;externalities&quot; to be dumped on &quot;somebody else&quot; --- governments, the consumer, whatever.

   2. The &quot;veil&quot; between corporate and so-called &quot;personal&quot; assets means in principle, that no matter what the CEO/board directs the corporation to do, there won&#039;t be any real impact on THEIR life.  Trust me, these guys are wealthy enough that even if their corporation collapses or they get fired, they&#039;re not going hungry any time soon.
    
   But hey, almost nobody dares to even bring this stuff up, especially here in the U.S. (where everybody just HAS to slobber over themselves singing the praises of &quot;the free market&quot; while completely ignoring the fact that the mere existence of corporations AT ALL represents a really huge &quot;subsidy&quot; to the businessmen USING such a structure.

    In essence, the corporation is a &quot;social safety-net&quot; for businessmen, and the recent &quot;bailout&quot; thing shouldn&#039;t have suprised ANYBODY.
   The &quot;free market&quot; is a pernicious lie.  Our economies are every bit as &quot;centrally-planned&quot; as the most &quot;total&quot; of totalitarian states.  The only difference is, the &quot;plan&quot; involves letting corporate businessfolk do whatever they damn well please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DA:<br />
   Yeah.  The whole thing started to go wrong with corporate &#8220;personhood&#8221;.<br />
   I dunno about you, but the mere idea of granting a business-structure the same rights as REAL human beings, while insulating those who run such business from the consequences of their actions is just a recipe for disaster.</p>
<p>   1. If corporations are &#8220;persons&#8221;, then they become entitled to stuff like freedom of speech, freedom from &#8220;unreasonable&#8221; search and seizure, and involvement in political lobbying.  That&#8217;s just a bad idea, because by design, for-profit corporations &#8220;care&#8221; about exactly ONE thing: short-term profitability.  ALL other potential concerns (human rights, ecological impact, etc.) are merely viewed as &#8220;externalities&#8221; to be dumped on &#8220;somebody else&#8221; &#8212; governments, the consumer, whatever.</p>
<p>   2. The &#8220;veil&#8221; between corporate and so-called &#8220;personal&#8221; assets means in principle, that no matter what the CEO/board directs the corporation to do, there won&#8217;t be any real impact on THEIR life.  Trust me, these guys are wealthy enough that even if their corporation collapses or they get fired, they&#8217;re not going hungry any time soon.</p>
<p>   But hey, almost nobody dares to even bring this stuff up, especially here in the U.S. (where everybody just HAS to slobber over themselves singing the praises of &#8220;the free market&#8221; while completely ignoring the fact that the mere existence of corporations AT ALL represents a really huge &#8220;subsidy&#8221; to the businessmen USING such a structure.</p>
<p>    In essence, the corporation is a &#8220;social safety-net&#8221; for businessmen, and the recent &#8220;bailout&#8221; thing shouldn&#8217;t have suprised ANYBODY.<br />
   The &#8220;free market&#8221; is a pernicious lie.  Our economies are every bit as &#8220;centrally-planned&#8221; as the most &#8220;total&#8221; of totalitarian states.  The only difference is, the &#8220;plan&#8221; involves letting corporate businessfolk do whatever they damn well please.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21032/comment-page-1#comment-973047</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Henry:

I hear ya!
The whole corporate protection racket thing is totally out of control.

I seem to remember there was a time when &quot;corporations&quot; were only allowed to exist for specific purposes and had to be disbanded after that purpose was accomplished.  (Hmmm... For a second there I though I was talking about copyright history!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Henry:</p>
<p>I hear ya!<br />
The whole corporate protection racket thing is totally out of control.</p>
<p>I seem to remember there was a time when &#8220;corporations&#8221; were only allowed to exist for specific purposes and had to be disbanded after that purpose was accomplished.  (Hmmm&#8230; For a second there I though I was talking about copyright history!)</p>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21032/comment-page-1#comment-973017</link>
		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehehe..

Henry Emrich&#039;s ACTA Wish List...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehehe..</p>
<p>Henry Emrich&#8217;s ACTA Wish List&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21032/comment-page-1#comment-973013</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy fix for this:

  1. Repeal the DMCA
  2. Reduce copy&quot;right&quot; terms to 7 years with NO RENEWALS, and place a clause that any attempt to even ASK for extension of copyright terms will immediately result in everything then under copy&quot;right&quot; immediately going into the Public Domain.

   3.  Eliminate &quot;corporate personhood&quot;.
   4. Corporations to be renewed every year, pending complete transparency as to their inner documentaiton.  ANY irregularities result in immediate revocation of corporate privilege and loss of all IP-related &quot;assets&quot; (such as copyrights, patents, and trademarks).

   5.  In case of wrongdoing by a corporation, the &quot;veil&quot; between corporate and personal assets should be completely revoked, but ONLY for CEOs and board-members.  

  6.  Corporate earnings taxed at 75 percent (to offset the massive amount of government subsidization involved in the mere fact that it IS a corporation.)  Other business-structures not taxed at all.

   (Conservatives are always blathering about how &quot;taxing&quot; something serves as a &quot;disincentive&quot;, maybe if the government taxes the hell out of corporations, there&#039;s less incentive to FORM the damn things.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy fix for this:</p>
<p>  1. Repeal the DMCA<br />
  2. Reduce copy&#8221;right&#8221; terms to 7 years with NO RENEWALS, and place a clause that any attempt to even ASK for extension of copyright terms will immediately result in everything then under copy&#8221;right&#8221; immediately going into the Public Domain.</p>
<p>   3.  Eliminate &#8220;corporate personhood&#8221;.<br />
   4. Corporations to be renewed every year, pending complete transparency as to their inner documentaiton.  ANY irregularities result in immediate revocation of corporate privilege and loss of all IP-related &#8220;assets&#8221; (such as copyrights, patents, and trademarks).</p>
<p>   5.  In case of wrongdoing by a corporation, the &#8220;veil&#8221; between corporate and personal assets should be completely revoked, but ONLY for CEOs and board-members.  </p>
<p>  6.  Corporate earnings taxed at 75 percent (to offset the massive amount of government subsidization involved in the mere fact that it IS a corporation.)  Other business-structures not taxed at all.</p>
<p>   (Conservatives are always blathering about how &#8220;taxing&#8221; something serves as a &#8220;disincentive&#8221;, maybe if the government taxes the hell out of corporations, there&#8217;s less incentive to FORM the damn things.)</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21032/comment-page-1#comment-973003</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just set up a robot with machine gun on board heading toward the MGM head quarter.

The embarked software is designed to make the robot attack any moving target who is hostile to america once inside the corporate office. Thi device worked well with El Quada.

Hoops! Oh Well! never mine this. This is not me this is the computer. Sorry MGM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just set up a robot with machine gun on board heading toward the MGM head quarter.</p>
<p>The embarked software is designed to make the robot attack any moving target who is hostile to america once inside the corporate office. Thi device worked well with El Quada.</p>
<p>Hoops! Oh Well! never mine this. This is not me this is the computer. Sorry MGM!</p>
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		<title>By: United Hackers Association</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21032/comment-page-1#comment-972977</link>
		<dc:creator>United Hackers Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes it is , admit it , they don&#039;t like what he says and will now blame it on some BS automated system thats never worked right , and of course keep doing crap like this , just like  the CEO&#039;s son can bit torrent freely and not get sued or trouble</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes it is , admit it , they don&#8217;t like what he says and will now blame it on some BS automated system thats never worked right , and of course keep doing crap like this , just like  the CEO&#8217;s son can bit torrent freely and not get sued or trouble</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21032/comment-page-1#comment-972976</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this would be the result of any live person at WMG doing this.
It&#039;s more likely another classic example of what happens when computer algorithms are allowed to trawl and automatically remove anything that contains even a part signature of suspect material.

Not that it should make WMG (or YouTube!) any less accountable for what happened.
This practice has already resulted in far too many false takedowns, and should be never have been allowed in the first place, as anyone with half a brain could have predicted the result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this would be the result of any live person at WMG doing this.<br />
It&#8217;s more likely another classic example of what happens when computer algorithms are allowed to trawl and automatically remove anything that contains even a part signature of suspect material.</p>
<p>Not that it should make WMG (or YouTube!) any less accountable for what happened.<br />
This practice has already resulted in far too many false takedowns, and should be never have been allowed in the first place, as anyone with half a brain could have predicted the result.</p>
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