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	<title>Comments on: UK backs out of corporate &#8216;3 strikes&#8217; law</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21039/comment-page-1#comment-972981</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are some backroom changes going on out of the light of day. I suspect without knowing that the UK wants the three strikes for other reasons, just like they would love to have access to user data gathered by Phorm. I am sure either there is a deal with Phorm to in some way share that data or some other equally dastardly plan given that the UK has become big brother in the worse sense of the word. 

Notice that in every country that this is being tried in for the three strikes the respective governments are really catching it from their citizens, who are wholesalely rejecting the proposed law.  I also suspect that the ISPs whom collectively are bigger than the copyright interests, along with the other collectives this would harm are probably making it known they too will not support this. 

The first run through of the DMCA laws here in the states brought the same ire from the corporate interests that it would have affected and in short and quick order was squelched until modifications were made. Basically the copyright interests were bitchslapped to wake them up that they were not as important to others as they thought they were. The DMCA in place not is one heck of a lot more toned down than it was originally intended. DMCA still has a lot of problems in that it is being used as a club for others that don&#039;t really represent the objectives it was put in place to handle. At some point that too will come to a head. 

The entertainment industries that are using it as a club will find in the long run it wasn&#039;t such a good idea as it sounded like at the start. 

Until the copyright industries get some sort of clue that they no longer rule the roost as they think they do with their self-important, artificially inflated sense of worth, there is no hope of them coming out of the self-proclaimed doom and gloom. I expect it to get far worse before it gets better. A grass roots call to boycott world wide would be such a wake up call as is needed. I already boycott their products as I don&#039;t agree with their methods. I will continue this for life if need be, without quibble. I buy no music, no movies, don&#039;t do the pay for view, and don&#039;t go to the movies, until they wake up and get real. 

Neither I nor you by ourselves will make a dent in this alone. It will take the buying public en mass to make this point and take it home. Once they are facing either bankruptcy or shrinking to the point of irrelevance as an entertainment value, they will get the idea that pissing off your customers was a really bad move. 

I do have one request if someone out in the public could help with it. Would some one loan the copyright interests a machine gun? The single shot they are shooting themselves in the foot with, just isn&#039;t fast enough for my tastes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are some backroom changes going on out of the light of day. I suspect without knowing that the UK wants the three strikes for other reasons, just like they would love to have access to user data gathered by Phorm. I am sure either there is a deal with Phorm to in some way share that data or some other equally dastardly plan given that the UK has become big brother in the worse sense of the word. </p>
<p>Notice that in every country that this is being tried in for the three strikes the respective governments are really catching it from their citizens, who are wholesalely rejecting the proposed law.  I also suspect that the ISPs whom collectively are bigger than the copyright interests, along with the other collectives this would harm are probably making it known they too will not support this. </p>
<p>The first run through of the DMCA laws here in the states brought the same ire from the corporate interests that it would have affected and in short and quick order was squelched until modifications were made. Basically the copyright interests were bitchslapped to wake them up that they were not as important to others as they thought they were. The DMCA in place not is one heck of a lot more toned down than it was originally intended. DMCA still has a lot of problems in that it is being used as a club for others that don&#8217;t really represent the objectives it was put in place to handle. At some point that too will come to a head. </p>
<p>The entertainment industries that are using it as a club will find in the long run it wasn&#8217;t such a good idea as it sounded like at the start. </p>
<p>Until the copyright industries get some sort of clue that they no longer rule the roost as they think they do with their self-important, artificially inflated sense of worth, there is no hope of them coming out of the self-proclaimed doom and gloom. I expect it to get far worse before it gets better. A grass roots call to boycott world wide would be such a wake up call as is needed. I already boycott their products as I don&#8217;t agree with their methods. I will continue this for life if need be, without quibble. I buy no music, no movies, don&#8217;t do the pay for view, and don&#8217;t go to the movies, until they wake up and get real. </p>
<p>Neither I nor you by ourselves will make a dent in this alone. It will take the buying public en mass to make this point and take it home. Once they are facing either bankruptcy or shrinking to the point of irrelevance as an entertainment value, they will get the idea that pissing off your customers was a really bad move. </p>
<p>I do have one request if someone out in the public could help with it. Would some one loan the copyright interests a machine gun? The single shot they are shooting themselves in the foot with, just isn&#8217;t fast enough for my tastes.</p>
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		<title>By: United Hackers Association</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21039/comment-page-1#comment-972963</link>
		<dc:creator>United Hackers Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UM CORPORATE 3 strikes law, 
is that a user NON corporate 3 strikes law?

Let me take you far away , in the light.
Let me take far away, where the good days are under the sun.

Let me take you far away, in flight.
Let me take you far away , where democracy is practiced every day.

Where ever you find the light, WE shall shine forever bright.
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The above you can&#039;t destroy with law, you can&#039;t destroy with rules, you can&#039;t legislate freedom , for it only exists inside your heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UM CORPORATE 3 strikes law,<br />
is that a user NON corporate 3 strikes law?</p>
<p>Let me take you far away , in the light.<br />
Let me take far away, where the good days are under the sun.</p>
<p>Let me take you far away, in flight.<br />
Let me take you far away , where democracy is practiced every day.</p>
<p>Where ever you find the light, WE shall shine forever bright.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
The above you can&#8217;t destroy with law, you can&#8217;t destroy with rules, you can&#8217;t legislate freedom , for it only exists inside your heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21039/comment-page-1#comment-972956</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly, copyright could be a subject included in the TEACHER&#039;S cirriculum.
No outside interference of that cirriculum should be accepted.

The teacher alone should be the one gathering any appropriate materials needed, and presenting copyright for what it really is, and isn&#039;t, and should be allowed the freedom to choose how, or even if, any of the MAFIAA&#039;s literature would be presented.
The same way basically everything else is taught in a classroom.

Present the subject... outline the principles... explain the scope... invite discussion... quiz them on the facts.
That&#039;s what TEACHERS are paid to do...
As opposed to some &quot;trade group&quot; representative, who&#039;s paid to spin and distort the facts, and plant the seeds of propaganda everywhere he goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly, copyright could be a subject included in the TEACHER&#8217;S cirriculum.<br />
No outside interference of that cirriculum should be accepted.</p>
<p>The teacher alone should be the one gathering any appropriate materials needed, and presenting copyright for what it really is, and isn&#8217;t, and should be allowed the freedom to choose how, or even if, any of the MAFIAA&#8217;s literature would be presented.<br />
The same way basically everything else is taught in a classroom.</p>
<p>Present the subject&#8230; outline the principles&#8230; explain the scope&#8230; invite discussion&#8230; quiz them on the facts.<br />
That&#8217;s what TEACHERS are paid to do&#8230;<br />
As opposed to some &#8220;trade group&#8221; representative, who&#8217;s paid to spin and distort the facts, and plant the seeds of propaganda everywhere he goes.</p>
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		<title>By: SunKing</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21039/comment-page-1#comment-972950</link>
		<dc:creator>SunKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a UK citizen, there is NO WAY a 3 strikes law will ever be passed in the here. Sure they would like to, and there are industry-bribed cronies that support it, but they simply cannot square it away so that it &#039;fits&#039;. It won&#039;t ever fit, so they best look somewhere else for their solution.

And I&#039;m all for teaching people about copyright. The more the merrier. Everyone should know how it&#039;s true meaning has been corrupted, how it has been extended and extended so that the public domain is starved, how it is abused by content owners, how it is used to encroach upon basic rights etc. etc. 

On the other hand, if I ever hear that my child has been taught industry propaganda in school then there will be, quite literally, bloody hell to play. And I&#039;ll be shouting loudly at the school gates for ALL to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a UK citizen, there is NO WAY a 3 strikes law will ever be passed in the here. Sure they would like to, and there are industry-bribed cronies that support it, but they simply cannot square it away so that it &#8216;fits&#8217;. It won&#8217;t ever fit, so they best look somewhere else for their solution.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m all for teaching people about copyright. The more the merrier. Everyone should know how it&#8217;s true meaning has been corrupted, how it has been extended and extended so that the public domain is starved, how it is abused by content owners, how it is used to encroach upon basic rights etc. etc. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if I ever hear that my child has been taught industry propaganda in school then there will be, quite literally, bloody hell to play. And I&#8217;ll be shouting loudly at the school gates for ALL to hear.</p>
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