Blaster author faces jail
p2pnet.net News:- Microsoft wasn’t the only target for Jeffrey Lee Parson’s version of the Blaster e-worm, a Seattle court has heard.
He’d also aimed it at the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) and MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America), according to court papers alluded to in a Seattle Times story here.
Now Parson could land in jail for up to three years after admitting he modified a version of Blaster and turned it loose.
“Parson’s variant launched a distributed denial-of-service attack against a Microsoft Windows update Web site as well as personal computers,” says an Associated Press story here. “The government estimates Parson’s version alone inundated more than 48,000 computers. Parson was charged here [Seattle] last August because Microsoft is based in suburban Redmond.”
Aged 19, he “admitted he downloaded the original Blaster worm last August to his home computer in Hopkins, Minn., and bundled it with a ‘back-door’ software program that allowed him to access infected computers,” says the Seattle Times.
“After a few days, I expected it to work as the original, just with the back door installed and for me to have access,” he’s quoted as telling a Seattle judge.
Parson, who graduated from high school this year, “pleaded guilty to one count of intentionally causing and attempting to cause damage to a protected computer,” says the Times report, going on: “He may also have to pay a fine, which the U.S. attorney said could be in the millions of dollars.
He lives with his parents and has to wear an electronic monitoring bracelet that tracks when he leaves home.
US District Judge Marsha Pechman declined a request from Parson’s lawyer to grant Parsons greater freedoms, “such as being able to go to the movies without his parents” but, “Mr. Parson is not a normal teenager,” AP quotes Pechman as saying. “Mr. Parson isn’t going to be like other teenagers, who can take the family car, go to parties, go to the beach.
“That’s not the way it’s going to be.”
August 12th, 2004 at 3:35 pm
what the fuck is it with this country …. you know i just cant see giving this kid three years of jail time it doesnt compute.
August 12th, 2004 at 3:37 pm
As a long-time computer development engineer I’ve formed the opinion that there is little difference between the author of a virus/trojan and a child molester. Send this trash to jail for a very long time.
August 12th, 2004 at 3:38 pm
Exactly what kind of punishment fits? Should he just be able to walk away?
August 12th, 2004 at 3:38 pm
people who sell drugs to little kids get off in less than 24 hours. and these estimated loss of millions of dollars are really inflated, your workers would prob be looking at porn anyway.
August 12th, 2004 at 3:42 pm
Hey if there are precious dollars at risk then the maximum punishment is the norm, gotta look after their money
. The children aren’t the future, need more cash not kids.
August 12th, 2004 at 3:43 pm
He is just a kid with the mind power and resources that most full adults do not posess.
The punishment needs to fit the crime. regardless of the age.
Murder is murder.
There is not age limit to being capable of killing a human, why would we put a limit based on age for punishment?
I will say that if anything they need to make drug punishments harsher than they are today.
August 12th, 2004 at 3:45 pm
Dear Anonymous Coward,
You obviously have no clue what kind of damage is caused by this kind of malicious “code writing.” Our jails are full to the brim with drug dealers – so you have no clue what you’re talking about there either. In fact, you’re so ignorant that I’m not sure why I’m bothering to respond, other than to tell you so.
August 12th, 2004 at 3:47 pm
He is not a kid, he is 19 years old. He knew exactly was he was doing and he needs to be accountable by his actions. If he is allowed to let go, what’s the message the goverment will be sending to all those nerds who use their brains to harm others?
August 12th, 2004 at 3:48 pm
Throw the fat slob in jail for life!
August 12th, 2004 at 3:49 pm
I agree, this fat turd needs a lesson, same with spyware a-holes and the like. Let him see what it’s like in the real world without mommy and daddy paying for his big macs……………..
August 12th, 2004 at 3:54 pm
He didn’t even write it himself….he copied someone else’s work. Obviously the people who say it’s no big deal obviously don’t have jobs and haven’t lost a day’s work due to a stupid virus. Vviruses are generally poorly written and they are only created to cause damage. I think a more fitting punishment is to allow everyone who’s computer is comprimised to hit the virus writer in the head with a baseball bat.
August 12th, 2004 at 3:56 pm
OYu know this kid isn’t going to serve three years, he will prolly get out in 6 months on good behavior, (he may have a sore butt by then, juding by his pic) and he may get millions of dollars in fines, but he will declare bankruptcy. Its gona suck a lot for him, but it won’t ruin his life, the way it would if he was put in jail for 10 years for a little bit of pot under the rockefeller laws.
Whoever said that drug penalties need to be stiffer is a stupid shmuck. Jails are expensive and do not deter drug use. decreasing use is the only way to deter drug sales, as long as there is a market, someone will do it, no matter the risks.
August 12th, 2004 at 3:57 pm
What is he a Republican? He should run for office.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:01 pm
Ignorance. He looks abut 12; at 19 not many of us (especially those entrenched in computer “worlds,” as this guy so apparently was) realize the real world consequences of our actions.
As for drugs, legalize ‘em all.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:01 pm
ditto
August 12th, 2004 at 4:02 pm
3 years in general population inside a prison for him. Will be a good lesson for him.
cough cough spoon time..
If you look at him though he looks like he needs another twinkie.. Or maybe a couple of dozen..
August 12th, 2004 at 4:03 pm
Go find something worthwhile to do. You pathetic piece of shit.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:03 pm
What mind power? The mind power of a gerbil to take someone else’s code and use it to waste everyone’s time? This guy could most likely not program his way out of a paper bag and the treatment he is getting is well deserved!
August 12th, 2004 at 4:05 pm
Three years seems about right. He’ll be getting out sooner with good behavior. The should ammend the punishment to prevent him access to any and all computers for seven years (including the time he serves in the clink.)
What this punk teenager did was no different than if he had broken into the homes and business’ of the place of the infected computers and used their computer for his purpose.
The writers of the comments that compare his sentence to those of murders and drug dealers, and claim an injustice, fail to realize the magnitude of this teenager’s crime. Maybe if there was such a thing as a Game Boy virus that would render their games useless they would begin to grasp the seriousness of the problem.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:06 pm
You are equating the crimes of a child molester as on the same level as a malicious programmer??? Wow, you’re code of ethics is horribly miswired. Goes to prove even “educated” (by your status as a development engineer) people aren’t so educated after all.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:12 pm
This punk should get more then three years in jail. 10 to 20 would be more like it, with a fine that will keep him broke for the rest of his life. At 19 years old, he knew exactly what he was doing.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:15 pm
What an unoriginal, unthoughtful post. Crime needs to fit the age. Unfortunately there is no way to determine maturity, so the next best guess is age. When a child behaves wrongly, there is great probability s/he is acting out of ignorance. An adult has been blessed with years of experience.
And you are totally off base with drug punishments. Going to prison for your decision to put consience-altering chemicals into your own (YOUR OWN) body is wrong. What will they regulate next? Caffeine? Geez, sometimes common sense is just out the door with fanatics who want to impress their so-called morality on others.
“Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” as long as you don’t hurt others.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:16 pm
WTF are you talking about? In the great state of WA sale of pot alone will land you in jail for 5 years with a $10,000 fine. Sale to a minor doubles both penalties. He will probably only get 1 year probation where he has to wear a GPS locator and is banned from computers. I believe that fits perfectly. Perhaps it will teach him a valuable lesson: you never launch a virus from your own computer, that is what public libraries are for. #-)
August 12th, 2004 at 4:26 pm
I agree, needs much much more than three years. I know his kind, everyone does…. He is just a fat ass nerd that thinks he is a god of computers because some even nerdy’er kids look up to him. He probably runs Windows 95 and has never seen a command prompt. I bet he did it to impress his little fag followers.
Anyone can copy code, do something useful with that flubber and learn to code your self, all of us real programmers had to!
August 12th, 2004 at 4:28 pm
I think part of his punishment should be getting him on treadmill. Definitely something aerobic.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:36 pm
in response to this:
“what the fuck is it with this country …. you know i just cant see giving this kid three years of jail time it doesnt compute.
The reason you can’t understand this is because you’re too stupid to understand the damage this KID did. Hackers are the lowest form of criminal in the world, because they can cause so much damage to so many people without lifting their fat bodies out of a chair. And it’s left wing liberals like you that make it possible for people like this scumbag to get off without doing some serious time.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:36 pm
He should pay to the extent of his damages.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:38 pm
August 12th, 2004 at 4:40 pm
He needs slapping upside the head. That’s for certain. 3 years I don’t know.
How else are we going to stop these idiots? If there was no punishment it would be far worse than it is today. It’s bad enough as it is.
As to this not costing any ‘real’ money. I suppose all the money spent on firewalls and other anti virus software isn’t really real. The company would likely spend it on porn instead? All the time spent ordering, tracking, installing and managing the firewalls and software aren’t real money either I suppose.
All the time spent of getting rid of the problem and making sure it can’t happen again can’t be real either. Get a life people. Obviously you know little or nothing about what you are talking about.
The fat jokes are totally out of taste. Fat and skinny people do this all the time.
Regards
August 12th, 2004 at 4:47 pm
He’s fat. Give him the chair!! THE CHAIR!! THE CHAIR!! YEAH UH HUHHUH
August 12th, 2004 at 4:53 pm
Is it true that homophobes are really closeted gays? Get a life guy and stop your homophobia. Give in before you’re old – go date a guy today!
August 12th, 2004 at 4:56 pm
three years? He should get even more for what he did. That fat retard needs to get a life.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:58 pm
Even though M$ leaves huge gaping security holes, they’re not at fault?
It’s like going to Best Buy and there’s a wall missing that leads straight outside – would we be surprised if someone didn’t ‘help themself’ to whatever they liked – especially with noone watching? Wouldn’t he hold accountable the construction company or even Best Buy for not noticing the problem and fixing it?
I think it’s sad that some script kiddie takes a couple of hours modifying code that’s now on it’s umpteenth revision and lands in jail for years!
Why not hold multi-billion M$ at fault for releasing such a crappy product? What’s wrong with a top down approach rather than bottom up?? Personally, I avoid M$ products and platforms just for these reasons. Go Apple!!
August 12th, 2004 at 4:58 pm
Wow! A fat, ugly, dorky hacker sentenced to house arrest! Thats like sentencing John Wayne Gacy to work in a Clown Supply Store staffed with little boys! He lived and operated outa the same house anyway…..where is the “punishment” in that.
August 12th, 2004 at 4:58 pm
His talents should be funneled in the right direction – I have seen a number of kids start as jr software engineers out of college, and most of them could not have done this…
. — sr sw engineer
August 12th, 2004 at 5:00 pm
The whole point is that this kid knew *exactly* what he was doing – fully aware of the damage it would cause. No one just “stumbles” upon those kinds of capabilities. This kid was up to no good and he knew it.
And punishment in this case should not be on the mild side. This kid has already proven by his apparent lack of conscience (something for which his parents should be scrutinized a bit if you ask me) that he is either a typical brat to begin with – miserable, never satisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and basically useless – or that he’s just pure evil. Either way, it’s not a matter of punishing him to teach him a lesson. The only “lessons” this kid apparently cares to learn are those which he will “learn” in prison. His punishment should be significant enough to deter others from doing the same. These little bastards need to know how serious the consequences will be.
August 12th, 2004 at 5:10 pm
You jerks. He is probably home eating twinkies and fucking with the system cuz jerks like you in his high school treat him just like you are now. He still deserves punishment.
August 12th, 2004 at 5:13 pm
These little ’script-kiddies’ have no clue as to the effects of this sort of criminal behavior! Three years of prison? Why in Hell is it not five? And twenty years of probation with the stipulation of never touching a computer while on probation! These kids think it should be ‘OK’ to walk away from a crime. They have absolutely no sense of responsibility. This kid needs to learn that in life you don’t always get the ‘do-overs’ and ‘new man’ like in the games. Ask him did he ’save the game’ before sending the worm on its way. Maybe after prison he can reload and resume where he left off before he screwed himself!
August 12th, 2004 at 5:19 pm
If he is computer-savvy enough to accomplish what he did, he understood the damage he was going to cause. I’m an average user with no special skills, so I had to pay to have one of these lovely viruses stripped out of my home pc. I’d like to send all of these irresponsible little geniuses to prison for the full length of their sentences—-maybe three years of being a gang-rape victim would make the little darling grow up and act responsibly. I’m tired of all the “they’re only kids!” whining—they were only kids with guns, at Columbine.
August 12th, 2004 at 5:20 pm
I think you need to read the article and watch the news some more. He is going to get at least 18 months and perhaps 37 months. Do you think that is fair?
August 12th, 2004 at 5:21 pm
If I burned down the local H2 dealership, an act that would cause say 15million in damage, I would do 20 years+ in jail.
This dipshit does billions of dollars in damage on an international scale.
Lock him up, throw away the key, make him an example.
August 12th, 2004 at 5:23 pm
The absolute worst thing about this is that most of you are acting like complete assholes. Calling him fat does nothing to correct the problem. Your displays of harsh discrimination and prejudice towards those who shadow themselves from society, as this man probably did, adds fuel to the fire and will only cause the massive amount of hatred for mainstream society to grow. Instead of feeding hate and waiting for degenerates to break the law so that we can waste money incarcerating them after we make fun of their physicality, we should instead we figure out a way to focus on preventing crimes before they happen. As for the drugs issue, I absolutely agree with one of anonymous cowards who posted earlier that if the demand for drugs go down so will the sales of drugs and the population of criminals. Again this all has to do with prevention. Gandhi once said “You must be the change you wish to see in the world.”
August 12th, 2004 at 5:25 pm
No, it’s not fair. He needs to be taken out of circulation for a loooooooooooooong time.
August 12th, 2004 at 5:30 pm
ass
August 12th, 2004 at 5:34 pm
You must really be quite a wonderful person to be able to judge how a person should be treated based on mistakes made when they were 17. I hope that some day you can teach all other teenagers how not to make this type of mistake.
August 12th, 2004 at 5:40 pm
Just reading everyones comments, seems that you are the crazy citizens that needs punishment with possible prescribed medication.
First of all, to a previous comment, how can you compare a computer program that would cause another computer to temporary fault…..to a first degree violent murder!!
Second what is your definition of “punishment that fit the crime”..is there one?
As for the drug crime being harsh enough? Lets think here, there is a small town in texas called Tulia, people are just selling drugs and not being stopped by the police, look it up if your interested. But as for this subject? again how can you compare a computer program that would cause another computer to temporary fault to a drug that will injure a body leading to death in the future.
Yes he is young, he probably knew what he was doing at the moment, after all computer programming can be a challenge changing the syntax to do what you want it to do. Yes he is intelligent for his age, however, he does not know his future ahead of him. Lets say he did not get caught. in the future he could be the key to a technology that will assist medical professors to finding a cure for cancer. Or maybe he can launch a generation of computerized vehicles that do not pollute at all, and not even requires an oil change. I dont know, you dont know, not even he knows. The only people that can see where he can lead too are his PARENTS!!(HINT HINT)
He should be spared, but of course there will always be companies that claim thousands of dollars loss (without proof, or any documentation stating that). For example lets look at a sentence stated above.
“The government estimates Parson’s version alone inundated more than 48,000 computers.”
How in the hell can government count 48,000 computers. What ever happen a week later or less?
“A patch was established and all computers were back to working perfectly, none were permanent.”(my personal statement off the record)
Does that sound about right?
I have seen childeren, kids, teenagers with great mind power through out my life that have done some wrong. Them same people have grown, realized their capacity and now they are using it making a difference in the world, and two are in the government. The parents are his only hope for pointing the right direction. Parents should be the ones to guide him to success. I say give him a slap on the hand, give him the scare speach with some community service. FACE slap the parents, and inform them to continue the guidence to his success.
Let me ask you something. When people first buy a car, they read the owners manual for maintenance info, or what not. Since virus have been out longer than anyone can count their years. Why wont you read info like this link when you first buy a computer
http://depts.washington.edu/trio/train/howto/tools/antivirus.shtml
August 12th, 2004 at 5:51 pm
so now you’re a rape advocate. That’s great. Wonderful person you are.
August 12th, 2004 at 5:53 pm
A computer nerd-intellectual-romantic-glamorous genius is allowed to inflict as much harm on people as he wishes. That is his privilege. No punishment is allowed. Other people must resign themselves to their suffering and loss.
If said intellectual genius is younger than thirty years of age, then his freedom to cause harm is totally unlimited.
August 12th, 2004 at 5:57 pm
Microsoft did not break the law in this case, the kid did. I’m no big fan of MS’s business practices & whatnot, but they aren’t the ones who did the crime here. The kid did. Three years in a minimum-security facility and a seven-year ban on contact with ANY computer system AFTER he serves the three years should be enough to both teach him the seriousness of his actions and make an example of him. The problem is how do you enforce the restriction from computers? I mean, are they going to keep survellience on him the whole time to make sure he isn’t sneaking a laptop into his home or something? I think not. Further, how about restricting him from even studying books and info specifically about programming, just to make sure he can’t keep up his skills. That way by the time he was allowed access to computers, all his programming knowledge would be so rusty and out of date that it’s unlikely he could do much damage… at least not right away.
August 12th, 2004 at 5:58 pm
you’re right… it’s way too lenient!
August 12th, 2004 at 6:07 pm
no shit. computer illiterate people are just scared of him cause he knows how to program.
August 12th, 2004 at 6:11 pm
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What an unoriginal, unthoughtful post. Crime needs to fit the age. Unfortunately there is no way to determine maturity, so the next best guess is age. When a child behaves wrongly, there is great probability s/he is acting out of ignorance. An adult has been blessed with years of experience.
And you are totally off base with drug punishments. Going to prison for your decision to put consience-altering chemicals into your own (YOUR OWN) body is wrong. What will they regulate next? Caffeine? Geez, sometimes common sense is just out the door with fanatics who want to impress their so-called morality on others.
“Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” as long as you don’t hurt others.
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Crime needs to fit the age? From the context of that paragraph I take it you mean the punishment needs to fit the age of the offender? The tired, hollow, extreme liberal outcry of, “It’s not his fault, he, the perpetrator of the crime is a victim of society” is ill-thought out at best. And yes, declaring him a child acting out of ignorance being wrongly punished as an adult falls into that same fallacy.
If one is capable of commiting a crime, they are capable of recieving punishment for it, in full. By the way, that “child” is 19 and reprogrammed a portion of that virus in order to be able to illegally access people’s computers so he must have, at least, a moderate level of comprehension.
while (User.clue==FALSE)
{
StupidityRating++;
}
//In your case I forsee an infinite loop occurring
August 12th, 2004 at 6:14 pm
Ok, some jail time will keep this kid away from pie shops which can only be good for him
So now we’ve seen how those that abuse the Internet can be brought to book, how about turning the guns on those who keep blasting my PC with useless adverts, spam and spyware.
Buy some sheer co-incidence the same corporations that this worm targetted.
Or is America totally the bitch of those big corporations?
August 12th, 2004 at 6:17 pm
They’ll love his fat ass in prison…
August 12th, 2004 at 6:17 pm
What does a person’s physical appearance have to do with what he did? You guys speak more along the lines that his weight was his crime. You spend more time pointing out how he looks rather than what he did. Look he did a crime and should suffer the consequences. But leave the way he looks out of it. This guy has a talent, unfortunatly he used his talent in the wrong way. Maybe the legal system should have some kind of program to help out theese people. Obviously this guy has a lot of rage towards you assholes who keep degrading him! And maybe that was his way of lashing out. Just maybe someone can see the psychological consequences of this, and try help this guy out. Maybe have some course to put his knowledge and experice to good use. We spend more time degrading this guy, rather than what he did.
And just for the record, he shouldn’t have hit major corporations, rather he should have devistated you assholes who judge him. Not what he done.
August 12th, 2004 at 6:19 pm
They’ll love his fat ass in prison …. he he he
August 12th, 2004 at 6:29 pm
No its not true asshole. Got a life, and a wife…that is female faggot. If you are into guys i say go for it, damn turd burglars.
August 12th, 2004 at 6:34 pm
he’s gonna have his ass (ms)BLASTED and have a permanently open back door……on port #2… know what i mean!!!!
August 12th, 2004 at 6:36 pm
I know that declaring bankrupcy has no affect on money owed to the IRS I would assume that the same is true for fines levied by the courts.
August 12th, 2004 at 6:41 pm
LOL
August 12th, 2004 at 6:44 pm
That may be true, but this guy does not have millions of dollars, and its not afine levied by the court, its restitution owed to Microsoft.
August 12th, 2004 at 6:46 pm
You are somewhat along the right track, but you are undoubtedly thinking of spending money for prevention on those individuals who are already going to prison. In my professional opinion this would be a horrible waste. Yes, I said professional opinion. I’m a detention officer at a large county jail with a population averaging almost 1300 every day. Living in an apartment complex that went slowly from all military to all section eight housing has also shown me a great deal about the class of people who contribute most heavily to the jail population.
Having been exposed to criminals of all stripes for some time now it is apparent to me that the only determinant for the rate of criminal recidivism is the criminals is themselves. Inmates typically are individuals who place their own personal pleasure, comfort, convenience and personal fulfullment above other considerations. While we all do this to some extent, the normal person will place checks on their behavior to avoid injuring others and the society around them, i.e. they do not break laws or break heads to any great extent for their personal benefit.
The problem of criminality is primarily an internal psychological attitude about the world in general. I once read, I can’t remember where, a statement I found to be quite true: “No one ever did anything that they thought was wrong when they did it.” Someone always likes to bring up the idea of extenuating circumstances such as the father who steals bread for his starving children knowing it is wrong, but this does not prove me wrong. In the example above the father is rationalizing his actions believing that his need gives his actions legitamacy. This is indeed the type of attitude that many people use when breaking the law. I know I go a few miles over the speed limit on a regular basis, but…you know…everyone else does it, don’t they?
Once ingrained, it is an attitude, and only self realization and sincere devotion to change can eliminate it. No amount of money, counciling or job training will make this change in an individual. Like an addict of alchohol or narcotics, only when the individual criminal stands up and says honestly to themself that they have a problem, that only they are responsible for their predicament, can there be any chance of rehabilitation. This is exceedingly rare.
You want to spend money to prevent crime and empty the jails and prisons? Then spend it on the children, and I don’t mean the ones in juvenile halll. Get to the kids before they’re ten years old and you can make a difference. By the time they are twelve and making repeated trips to family court, it is highly doubtful you can do anything to help them. By the time they are fourteen it is far too late to help them without the personal realization I talked about before.
I hear it every day from inmates. Its someone elses fault. I didn’t do it. I wasn’t there (This was repeated endlessly to me by an inmate who I clearly caught somewhere he should never have been doing something he should never have been doing. Which is no surpise when you consider how many times this defense is used when the defendant is caught on video tape in the act).
Mr. Blaster deserves his three years. And its going to be more than that since he can never hope to repay the total fines and damages that he caused, but is now responsible for repaying. I have no sympathy, especially since he can’t even verbalize why he did it in the first place. That tells me he knew it was wrong but made some bullshit excuse in his mind for his transgression when he did it. Something so lame he can’t bring himself to repeat it in public.
August 12th, 2004 at 6:57 pm
That dude leaves the house? I don’t buy it.
August 12th, 2004 at 7:05 pm
Sounds like the true words of an obese person.
He deserves what he gets–ridicule included. I don’t remember him asking me if I was fat, ugly, greasy, or gay and promising to take it easy on my computer.
The bottom line is–this person intentionally went out of his way to cause damage, harm, inconvenience or money (call it what you will). Now it is time for him to face reality–I don’t care about motives–just because he is a fat-ass doesn’t mean I should feel bad for him. The point is: He did it with mal-intent.
My computer got hit with the worm–now he is gonna get hit with a worm in jail–and he is only going to wish that it be a computer type.
August 12th, 2004 at 7:10 pm
I wholeheartedly agree with you except for the fact that you sound as if nothing can be done. When I wrote in my previous response that preventive measures should be taken, I meant that it should be taken in the earliest years of a child’s life. I too lived in a great apartment community that went to trash. My wife and I were constantly harassed new residents who were more than likely recipients of subsidized housing. I volunteer a part my time to underprivileged children to help them with reading, math, and helping them communicate their ideas by introducing them to art and musical instruments. More than anything from these children I hear about how isolated they are. Someone picks on them, hits them for no reason, and calls them names, and so on. The very person who is acting as the aggravator is also the victim in this case. Down the road most of these children will either get into their minds that there is no way out and the easiest way for them to gain anything is through crime or they will perceive, as you stated, that they are right and the rest of society is wrong. Through this, we perpetually bury ourselves in a hole. We hate the monster we feed. In our homes everything is tidy and neat while we turn our head to those who need help the most. The answer is not always money. You and I share a common goal but at the same time we are different in ways you could never imagine. The same goes for those at a disadvantage. Everyone shares a common goal. The most reasonable answer is trough education. If people are shown that they are crap, they will act as crap citizens. It takes time and energy to see change.
August 12th, 2004 at 7:21 pm
YES! Why should he be penalized. Think of it this way. He was exploiting a security flaw that could have done much more damage, had it been used by someone else. If he reports the security flaw, HE’S TO BLAME, if he doesn’t do anythign, it’s like I said in that, soemone else could do worse. You’re blaming the wrong people! That’s what’s wrong with this country.
August 12th, 2004 at 7:22 pm
YEAH, buddy!
August 12th, 2004 at 7:45 pm
he’s gonna have his ass (ms)BLASTED and have a permanently open back door……on port #2… know what i mean!!!!
August 12th, 2004 at 8:12 pm
Get real, compu-kiddies…have you any idea what writing code of this type actually does? Do you think I have the time, money, and inclination to worry about my data being destroyed by someone like this? Are you actually, truly, seiously annoyed he’s getting pounished? Try this on…I think he should be fined triple, and given more jail time. This attitude of support for destruction “just because,” or simply because the flaws exist is nonsense. The security flaws were there for 9/11, when terrorists flew planes into NYC, killing thousands of American citizens. By your reasoning, the terrorists acted appropriately, because, hell, after all, the flaws were there. Blame the plane companies. You make me sick. The fact that you people are going to be paying my social security when I’m too old to work terrifies me more than you know. Get real. Get Real. Get Real.
August 12th, 2004 at 8:17 pm
He didn’t have a malice intention. He didn’t steal your credit card or reformat your harddrive. We need these kinda people that send out worms, as this would force the big corporations like Micro$oft to intensify their QA processes and issue patches more often. If he hadn’t done it, then DCOM vulnerability or whatever thingy would have been utilized by someone else to steal your credit card numbers, while you sit very relaxed that no worm hit your computer. Even the US Govt computers would rather be hit by a worm, and get the patches, than being spied by other countries.
August 12th, 2004 at 8:18 pm
Bwaaaa haaa haaa haaa!!!
August 12th, 2004 at 8:18 pm
He didn’t have a malice intention. He didn’t steal your credit card or reformat your harddrive. We need these kinda people that send out worms, as this would force the big corporations like Micro$oft to intensify their QA processes and issue patches more often. If he hadn’t done it, then DCOM vulnerability or whatever thingy would have been utilized by someone else to steal your credit card numbers, while you sit very relaxed that no worm hit your computer. Even the US Govt computers would rather be hit by a worm, and get the patches, than being spied by other countries.
August 12th, 2004 at 8:19 pm
He didn’t have a malice intention. He didn’t steal your credit card or reformat your harddrive. We need these kinda people that send out worms, as this would force the big corporations like Micro$oft to intensify their QA processes and issue patches more often. If he hadn’t done it, then DCOM vulnerability or whatever thingy would have been utilized by someone else to steal your credit card numbers, while you sit very relaxed that no worm hit your computer. Even the US Govt computers would rather be hit by a worm, and get the patches, than being spied by other countries.
August 12th, 2004 at 8:21 pm
Sorry, I can’t agree. Just because there is a security hole doesn’t give you the right to wreak havoc. Should I be able to come into your house and rob you because your lock on the front door isn’t strong enough?
August 12th, 2004 at 8:22 pm
Should I not be using your wireless network to browse the internet coz you weren’t smart enough to password protect it or encrypt it?
August 12th, 2004 at 8:23 pm
Those of you who advocate the right to create worms etc, have got something completely wrong. You have of course the right to create the programme. What you do not have is the right to offload them to unsuspecting users. And you forget, you must carry the responsibility for your own actions, even if it mean your liberty to move around freely gets somewhat restricted by a few years in the slammer.
August 12th, 2004 at 8:28 pm
I just spent an hour with a client who picked up something in a drive by download, and he can’t get his work done, and I can’t get my work done, and this is real money. Multiply this by the millions and the cost to the world economy is staggering.
This “kid” won’t serve 3 years, even if that is his sentence. Maybe 8 months in a minimum security facilty, or house arrest. Probably a huge fine.
But there have to be real consequences for actions.
August 12th, 2004 at 8:36 pm
No malicious intent? Be serious. Of course it was malicious. He knew what he was doing. Everyone knows the cost and damage it does.
August 12th, 2004 at 8:57 pm
Did it harm you? Did it harm any personal computer? Did he steal anything from you? Did he crash your harddrive making you lose all your data? Did he install loads of spyware to launch pop-ups that all these companies do, which nobody has no control over?
He did distributed DOS attack on micro$oft servers. Go back in history and look back how many people have launched DOS against micro$oft servers. You know the recent thing wherein two sets fo people alternatively attacked microsoft and SCO’s websites. I still don’t know the motive. May be he just did it for fun, like the US soldier Lynndie England saying ‘we just did it for fun’ on the iraqi prison scandal. If she gets away easily, this kid should also get away easily.
August 12th, 2004 at 8:59 pm
he should do hard time=
August 12th, 2004 at 8:59 pm
About time the coward was caught and contained. And yes, I would love to see him go to jail for 3+ years. Hell, I wish I could give him and all of his VXers a good stoning for all the trouble they’ve cost me in the last couple of years. Damage costs money and politics is driven by money. Deal with it…
~digital
August 12th, 2004 at 9:33 pm
Good god! Would you stop calling each other names and get FreeBSD, Linux or Solaris
Half of your troubles would be gone just like that….
August 12th, 2004 at 9:38 pm
Read some of these posts and you’ll find yourself wishing you could do your own small part in the destruction of society….
I’m only addressing the views of certain individuals, but listen to yourselves.
A man expresses some compassion for the attack on the physical appearance of the accused and the response? To accuse this poster of being obese himself…
And to those who gain such excitement from the possible prison rape of the accused…I sincerely wish much worse for you.
I hope that this board reflects more closely the disgusting views of the computer savvy and not that of the general population of our society.
August 12th, 2004 at 9:38 pm
Hahaha….. program urself out of a paper bag…gud 1 homie… major props YAYO!!
August 12th, 2004 at 9:41 pm
ur probably a fat fuck then….hahaha
August 12th, 2004 at 9:43 pm
One red brusied corn hole…..comin up RIGHT AWAY SSSSSSIRRRR!!!
August 12th, 2004 at 9:45 pm
he’s gonna have his ass (ms)BLASTED and have a permanently open back door……on port #2… know what i mean!!!!
OMG LOLOLLLLLLLZZZZzzzz…..major props to u YAYAO!!!!! gg….hHAHAHahahaha
August 12th, 2004 at 9:47 pm
Go screw urself fuckwad….
I’m sure that skank called Microsoft will offer him a high level job once he gets out of prison….or some other company for that matter.
August 12th, 2004 at 9:48 pm
I wrote the original:
“WTF are you talking about? In the great state of WA sale of pot alone will land you in jail for 5 years with a $10,000 fine. Sale to a minor doubles both penalties. He will probably only get 1 year probation where he has to wear a GPS locator and is banned from computers. I believe that fits perfectly. Perhaps it will teach him a valuable lesson: you never launch a virus from your own computer, that is what public libraries are for. #-)”
I believe first time, non-violent offenders should NOT be sent to prison. Our prisons are overcrowded and a huge expense to US tax payers. This is a perfect example of someone who does not deserve prison. He is a stupid kid that felt passionately about his right to share information (thus the attack on RIAA, etc.) and went about making a statement in a very irrational way. Sure he should be responsible for his actions but I doubt he fully understood the consequences of doing what he did (I say this because he if he did he would have taken precausions to mask his identity). His niavity for speaking out in a non-violent manner should not cost him his early adulthood. That is cruel and unfair. I believe he should be punished, in fact I believe he should be made an example out of but not in an unfitting way. I would ban him from using a computer connected to the internet for 5 years and put him on probation for one with tons of community service. That niave kid should not be put in prison. It would ruin his life and possibly put him on a path of more hostile criminal intentions.
–Wimp Lo
>-
August 12th, 2004 at 9:49 pm
OMG u dont mind if I come up with a program to enter ur wife’s back door???
u know what…I’ll fuck ur mom tomorrow.
August 12th, 2004 at 9:59 pm
Where are the real hackers?
Where is the kind of guy that could get inside the pentagon and bring information about ilegal military systems? Do you remmenber “Star Wars” during cold war?
Jail for this slammers assholes who just know attacking unprotected residencial computers! They only couse damage to ordinary users.
Why didn’t this genious, that put this plague in the Internet, get inside the C.I.A. to search anything very dirty about the atual government? I am sure that he would find some nasty thing.
Jail, Jail, Jail.
If he wants to play like hacker, he has to assume the consequences.
August 12th, 2004 at 9:59 pm
If you left your car or house unlocked, would that give me the right to go and and take all your stuff? No Way! So drop these stupid arguments about it being Microsofts fault.
This kid had no intentions of doing anything else except being a jerk to other people and at their expense.
On top of that he was a retard for leaving his url in the code to be found. Just for that bonehead move he should get a life sentence.
August 12th, 2004 at 10:00 pm
Maybe that is the master plan…stick all ignorant people in jail and also, people with too much intelligence using it against the flow….
August 12th, 2004 at 10:12 pm
My heart goes out to the poster child for misfits. The humpty dumpty appearance of the pathetic misfit confirms psychologist’s description of virus script kiddies as social misfits. Rather than being heavy-handed, the government is doing the misfit and society a favor. By constraining humpty’s access to twinkies for three years, he will exit jail looking svelte and like a normal human being which may encourage him to lead a productive rather than destructivel life. Second, wannabe misfits will think twice before having their sordid existance being exposed. Gog bess our country and brave soliers.
August 12th, 2004 at 10:22 pm
A punishment should be appropriate to the damage done for justice. What seems just would be a day in jail and a $20 fine for each infected computer. Lets see.. 48000 * $20 is…..
August 12th, 2004 at 10:27 pm
Poor code or not, there is no justification for maliciousy exploiting a system to either gain unauthorized acces to it, cause harm to it or use it to spread malicious code to other systems.
The fact is that what this young man did was illeagel and, personally, I don’t think the sentence should be measured in months; Years would be more like it.
August 12th, 2004 at 10:27 pm
I like him because his photograph is so awesome!!!
August 12th, 2004 at 10:28 pm
I bet if you had a job in the field you’d be happy to see this guy in some trouble after making you run around cleaning and patching hundreds of computers. If you didn’t get hit by blaster, congratulations, but more people got hit than didn’t so chill and let us fry this kid… go back to your beenie baby forums
<3
August 12th, 2004 at 10:37 pm
Should I not be using your wireless network to browse the internet coz you weren’t smart enough to password protect it or encrypt it?
Are you some sort of sociopath? Of course you shouldn’t STEAL bandwidth from someone. What sort of moral and ethical black hole did you crawl out of? If its not yours don’t take it, regardless of wether you have the technical savvy to steal bandwidth you should have the fundamental ethical baseline to keep your hands off what doesn’t belong to you.
…and yes, this kid should have to pay the price for the crime he comitted. His stupidity cost money to thousands of corellary companies, hours of downtime and general mayhem. He has no right to attack Microsoft or the recording industy regardless of his opinions of them. If he doesn’t like Microsoft, he needs to start his own company and work as hard and as brilliantly as he can and put them out of business.
August 12th, 2004 at 10:37 pm
He should have gotten more time, with 10 plus years of probation of no access to any computer. He can vote, he can serve time. Makes the next person think twice about doing something like this.
August 12th, 2004 at 10:39 pm
LOL TURD BURGLARS………HILARIOUS
August 12th, 2004 at 10:39 pm
He should have gotten more jail time with 10 plus years on no computer probation. If he can vote, he can do the time. If my front door is unlocked, it doesn’t mean you can walk in without permission.
August 12th, 2004 at 11:03 pm
amen, brother!
August 12th, 2004 at 11:21 pm
This is not a violent crime, and does not justify *time in the slammer*. A good way to treat this sort of crime is through community service and probation. Perhaps removal of computer access for long period of time. I do not want to -pay- for him sitting in a cell nor does many other people out there. +An act like this hurts everyone and may turn the criminal into a victim.
When there are so many people from both sides of the fence saying 3 years punishment is just or otherwise; shows a clear discrepency of how people view what a common “white collar” crimes is in our westernized world. +An act like this shows the world that the world does not seek consistancy.
His self-motivated actions may have cost companies money, and may have cost computer users time. But to put this blame all on him: that is -wrong-. Microsoft and other companies asking for the customer to blindy trust the security of it’s products, need to be shown by the people (in a civil manner) that thier actions lead to stupid mistakes on a daily basis. +An act like this points all fingers in one direction.
This man has drawn a complicated picture, and the people are unknowingly about to -frame- it.
-jb
August 12th, 2004 at 11:36 pm
Serving years for petty shit like this is a crock. Why don’t they go after the spam kings instead? I download a virus once or twice a year that causes some grief but i blame Microsoft! Not some know nothing kid who only modified the original version. They’re procecuting the wrong person because they’re not smart enough to track down the original writer. And to all those people who want this kid procecuted i ask “when you were a kid, did you ever do anything stupid you regretted?” I bet you have and you didn’t spend 3 years in jail as a result. Everyone’s a cop until it’s their turn to face the music. Go fuck yourselves hypocrites!
August 12th, 2004 at 11:48 pm
You blithering moron. You think Microsoft is responsible to the tub of guts to infect every legitimate computer user’s equipment. What would you say if Mr. Stabby took a legitimate kitchen knife and stabbed everyone at the local mall?
August 12th, 2004 at 11:57 pm
Roll the fat bastard in lard and feed him to the dogs as well as all you bleeding heart mothers who breed such vermin.
August 13th, 2004 at 12:00 am
Again, comare it to a violent crime. Everyone does it, why not join in… Wheeeeee!
Seriously though, I did not say it was Microsofts fault he commited the crime. Microsoft’s fault is by telling the public it’s software is safe. It always takes other -not so nice people- showing them they are wrong. Creates a cycle.
By the way, I said the we the people are pointing “all fingers in one direction”.
-jb
August 13th, 2004 at 12:05 am
You’re both living in your own rather fucked up worlds.
Try entering the real world where stupid kids do stupid things but are forgiven,
or punished fairly, because as adults we realize we were and young stupid ourselves once.
Sure he should be punished, but I think neither of you really understand how
much even 3 years jail-time will fuck him up. If you do, then you’re even big
Aholes then you appear.
Have you never done anything that was illegal?
I doubt there is anyone in this entire forum that hasn’t done something illegal and
gotten away with it.
August 13th, 2004 at 12:10 am
Do you think this fat ass had his ass kicked more than just a few times in high school? When this crap starts costing real people real money, it’s time to thrown down the gauntlet and send fatso to ‘pound you in the ass’ prison.
August 13th, 2004 at 12:13 am
You’re a moron, plain and simple. It won’t be most people’s turn to face the music because most of them aren’t malicious enough to screw with other people’s property. You are free not to blame the people who actually release viruses. However, you are also free to be labeled a dumbass as a result. I bet most criminals regret their crimes once they are caught. That is why punishing them is important: to deter other people from doing the crime. I am guessing you probably should be in jail for someone you harmed from what you’ve written. Here’s to hoping your fuck-ups catch up with you.
August 13th, 2004 at 12:15 am
That’s specifically it, he was exploiting a documented security flaw. If you know that GM vehicles have a lock flaw that makes them severely easy to pick, it doesn’t justify breaking into the car and having a look around.
Script kiddies are a pain in that ass and that’s all this kid is.
August 13th, 2004 at 12:15 am
My door isn’t firmly bolted, so it’s ok to come spy in my house and trash it, then say you were doing me a favour by illustrating the point that the lock manufacturer cannot stop all intruders? Nonsense.
Twinkie-boy didn’t do anyone any favours, caused a lot of damage, and now he must face the consequences.
August 13th, 2004 at 12:16 am
So, let me get this straight….
You hate people who write worms/viruses.
You hate nerds.
You hate fat people.
You hate non-technical people.
You hate gays.
So, who exactly do you expect to impress with your less than rational argument.
Good Job… You taught all of us how despicable you are.
-jb
August 13th, 2004 at 12:25 am
There is nothing wrong with the country; it’s the incompetent people who are put in positions of authority. The kid’s brilliant, put him to work for our side.
August 13th, 2004 at 1:01 am
instead of jailing a kid that is smart enough to be able to modify code and something still works, they should give him a job modifying Microsoft Windows So It Works. If Microsoft Wasn’t So Poorly created there wouldn’t be any holes the size of the united states to explore. If they gave this kid a job doing what he likes to do it wouldn’t be giving him time in jail. This is were the smart people/ stupid people thing comes into play. Smart people see what is wrong and play with it (fixing or not). Dumb people want smart people in jail instead of getting the big bucks. That’s why we have an “Osama Bin Hydin”. As you can see he is a stupid person and all the other stupid people don’t care if he still runs loose “Bush”
August 13th, 2004 at 2:13 am
No unfortunately I’m living in this world with both you and this porky little script-kiddy.
And by the way…. This IS the real world.
I did 5 years for a small bag of pot when I was about the same age. I didn’t steal or hurt anyone, do any damage to anybodys personal property. I thought this was pretty severe but apparently thats how it is. I got over it.
T33kid on the other hand, did was was equivilent to vandalism on 48,000 computers and launched a DOS attack. Talk about mal-intent!
Time for T33kid to grow up. 3 years is no big deal. He could do that time in a county jail. (Thats a far cry from real prison) If he can’t handle that, they can always put his tender young ass in protective custody.
Think about the damage and expense he may have caused small business owners who may have not been able to afford the IT costs incurred by his antics, Or others whose livelihoods were interuptted because they could not perform their jobs because of him. That all equals people losing money to pay for their homes, feed their families etc etc.
I’ll forgive him after he does his time..
August 13th, 2004 at 2:18 am
He is not smart because
1: He just copied and modified Blaster.
2: He used his home computer to “create”, distribute and control this troyan
3: He didn’t think of the risk of getting his ass blasted in jail.
Good luck fatty! Just bring tons of vaseline with ya
August 13th, 2004 at 2:23 am
only 3 yrs? he needs life.
August 13th, 2004 at 2:27 am
He did what he did with no remorse or thought of others.
We should show him compassion now?
He did it to himself.
August 13th, 2004 at 2:30 am
JASS,
DID YOU GET THE TELEPHONE NUMBER YES OR NO ? I GOT THE PHONE SO YOU COULD CONTACT ME WITHOUT ANY INTERRUPTIONS AND TO SECURE COMPLETE PRIVATCY OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN YOU AND I ALONE ONLY. THIS IS FETTIE.
I GOT SEVENHUNDRED-SEVENTY-THREE BALOONS, NOW WHAT IS THE NUMBER AMOUNT ? THEN I GOT FIVEHUNDRED-SIXTY-TWO INVITES, NOW WHAT IS THE NUMBER AMOUNT AGAIN ? I GOT ONETHOUSAND-FIVEHUNDRED-FIFTY-FOUR RIBBONS TIED AROUND THE FIGTREE, NOW WHAT IS THE NUMBER AMOUNT ? NOW SEEING THAT I HAVE CHOSEN TO NOT ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH EVERYBODY IN MY PAST AND I TOLD YOU BEFORE I WENT AND PURCHASED ANOTHER PHONE ABOUT HOW I USED TO GET CALLS FROM EVERYBODY I DID NOT WANT TO CALL ME AND THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM I WANT TO HERE FROM EXSPECIALLY LIKE YOURSELF WHOM I INVITED YOUR CALL AND LOOKED FOREWARD TO WELCOMING YOUR CONVERSATION DID NOT CALL ME AND BEING THE CASE OF MY PAST I HAD FOUND IT AS A COMPLETE WAIST OF MONEY TO PAY A TELEPHONE BILL AND HAVE A PHONE SEEING THAT I DONT HAVE YOUR NUMBER ANYMORE,…… SO YOU SET ME UP TO WAISTE MY MONEY ON ANOTHER PHONE AND I TOLD YOU THAT I AM POOR AND THAT IS CRUEL FAR BEYOND COLD, AND UNFAIR !
August 13th, 2004 at 2:46 am
This guy gives HACKERS a bad name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 13th, 2004 at 3:26 am
August 13th, 2004 at 3:32 am
Well, this certainly is a tragedy. Balloons, invites and ribbons, well, all i can say about that is, you can sell your balloons, (I can’t see you selling ‘invites’,) but surely ribbons are worth something. So if you sell all those balloons (I’m assuming you meant balloons, not baloons – whatever they are) and all those ribbons at 1 dollar apiece, what is the number amount again? In any case, cruelty, coldness and unfair is so accurate!
That’s exactly how the world is, although, given that the US has some of the highest crime rates in the world, and also the highest incarceration rates, well.. That’s unfair too, but does clearly demonstrate that deterrence is not a valid legal reason for incarceration or punishment of any sort. Not that it shouldn’t be done, but it doesn’t work. When this virus writing/modifying kid gets out of jail, you can be sure that tons of other inmates will also have the basic knowledge to download viruses and modify them to further attack lousy windows software.
August 13th, 2004 at 3:56 am
Well, speaking from Canada, first off, the current stand on wireless access is that it isn’t stealing. Our legal system currently allows for p2p clients uploading and downloading copywrited material. I would presume this is based on the traditional definition of stealing which is – If you have a stick, and i take that stick, then now i have a stick and you don’t. Thus, i’ve stolen your stick. However, in the case of wireless and copyrighted material, If you’ve got wireless access and i use it, now, both you and i have wireless access. You don’t lack it, although, i’ll admit you may have less. However, I believe that as it stands here, if you use a wireless access point and broadcast your ssid, then you are expressly doing so, and unless you deliberately control access via mac address restriction or WEP you have tacitly given permission for others to use that wireless access point. I have a wireless access point, and generally leave it broadcasting, i couldn’t care less if someone uses it, but i won’t advertise beyond the ssid, since doing so puts me in the class of an ISP and thus opens a whole new bag of worms – but in Canada (at least for now) record labels cannot force me to divulge any info about who has used my WAP. However, if some major hack did go down on my network, i can expect the cops to confiscate my comps until i’m cleared, but sophisticated hackers can generally break into wireless networks anyways. It’s like if you live in a crummy part of town and your car always gets broken into, why would anyone bother to lock the door? Either the window will be broken or the lock will be damaged if you do lock up, so it’s pointless – of course here, the cops tow cars that aren’t ‘properly secured’ which is about the silliest law i’ve heard of.
August 13th, 2004 at 4:06 am
So, let me get this straight….
You hate people who write worms/viruses.
You hate nerds.
You hate fat people.
You hate non-technical people.
You hate gays.
So, who exactly do you expect to impress with your less than rational argument.
Good Job… You taught all of us how despicable you are.
-jb
August 13th, 2004 at 5:16 am
haha. now boys… this would have to be the funniest posting ive ever read in my life. you guys are sooking like a couple of kids and the unnecessary swearing is evidence that you probably ARE kids. look… here’s the truth: the kid did something wrong… yes. it would be improper to put all the blame on microsoft for not keeping their OSs secure enough. windows computers arent targeted because theyre easy, but because theyre popular. as you probably know, 90% of the worlds pcs are windows based… it wouldnt be much fun making a mac virus now would it? (nevertheless, there still are mac viruses). no matter what OS is most popular at the time, people are going to find weaknesses in it. with saying this… i’ll just add that i do think microsoft poorly program their software, but i’ll leave it at that. anyway, as i was saying… yes… this kid did something wrong, but three years is much too extreme. to compare infecting a computer with a virus to breaking into someones home and wreaking havoc is ludicrus. the kid did wrong but ive seen pedophiles get less time. i think hes an intelligent kid and maybe didnt quite see the gravity of what he was doing… but he should be taught a lesson, three years is just a tad too extreme though. if you disagree with what im saying then you are disagreeing with reason.
August 13th, 2004 at 5:49 am
If i could count the all of the times my computer crashed and i had to quit i was doing on the internet because this fucking punk and other fuckasses of his ilk,I don’t think three years in a federal pen is enough.
Even people who get involved in commercial pirating get more time than this.
FUCK THE FATASS DEGENERATE IN THE ASS AND GIVE HIM THE MAXIMUM PERSCRIBED TIME IN PRISON.
HANG THE MOTHERFUCKER OUT TO DRY!!
CRUCIFY HIM!!
August 13th, 2004 at 5:58 am
If i could count the all of the times my computer crashed and i had to quit i was doing on the internet because this fucking punk and other fuckasses of his ilk,I don’t think three years in a federal pen is enough.
Even people who get involved in commercial pirating get more time than this.
FUCK THE FATASS DEGENERATE IN THE ASS AND GIVE HIM THE MAXIMUM PERSCRIBED TIME IN PRISON.
HANG THE MOTHERFUCKER OUT TO DRY!!
CRUCIFY HIM!!
You don’t give him any breaks because he’s a fuckass cockdrip kid…….WHAT A WORLD!!
August 13th, 2004 at 6:42 am
This she of jugdes are a fuck off given him a 3 years.
give him 3 days and a 1 cent per pc he infected. do the math you fucking jugdes hey call jonny crockin.
August 13th, 2004 at 10:05 am
Dear Anonymous Coward
Those are very smart words and you could’nt have said it better. I support your way of thinking 100%. For an action there is always a reaction, but 3 years is a little much for such a smart kid.
btw osama is here in canada drinking an ice cold beer with the moose.
Eric from Canada
August 13th, 2004 at 11:23 am
Years is VERY appropriate – for one reason – he, and all virus writers – cause innocent good, hardworking parents to lose years of their lives fixing problems caused by selfish virus-writers!@!!!
NAME ONE TOTALLY GOOD OUTCOME FROM VIRUSes? JUST ONE!
No, hackers who HARM people should go to jail for a long time.. I do NOT wish this fate upon them.. rather, I hope they will stop harming innocent parents who must support their families.. and terrorists, similarly, should stop harming innocent civilians..
the VAST majority of us care deeply, and would never harm a soul..
someday the world will celebrate, and serve these kinds of people..
many of us always have, and will for ever more…
love and peace
cecil
August 13th, 2004 at 11:31 am
So basically, what you in your infinite wisdom are suggesting is that they take this this kid who has done this malicious act, just to satisfy his ego, interrupting a bilion dollar industry, and infecting thousands of home computers, and reward him for it. RIIIIIGHT, that really sends a good message. It’s like rewarding a thief for getting around a high tech security system. You probably think we should just ask Al Quaeda to “please stop being so mean”, and that they’d do it because hey, they’re not bad people, gee, they’re just so darned misunderstood. If he was go smart, why not use his incredible intelllect to find a job instead of sitting at home with mommy and daddy, pretending to be some sort of cyber-terrorist. You said “if they gave this kid a job”, hey how about this, he should get off his fat, spoiled ass, get out there and earn himself a job. WHy should he be given anything? Libs, you losers are all the same.
August 13th, 2004 at 11:33 am
Having gotten a taste of these folks handywork and having to reformat or spend hours figuring out what I was infected with, I say we definitely need to punish the perpetrators.
August 13th, 2004 at 2:27 pm
re: what the fuck is it with this country …. you know i just cant see giving this kid three years of jail time it doesnt compute.
I agree completely. I think the death penalty is more appropriate.
August 13th, 2004 at 3:52 pm
If Jeff was Martha Stewart would he be looking at three years in the slammer?
White-collar crime is OK. You can add it to your cv. But attacking the RIAA, Micro$oft, the MPAA is SERIOUS man!
August 13th, 2004 at 4:43 pm
Just reading everyones comments, seems that you are the crazy citizens that needs punishment with possible prescribed medication.
First of all, to a previous comment, how can you compare a computer program that would cause another computer to temporary fault…..to a first degree violent murder!!
Second what is your definition of “punishment that fit the crime”..is there one?
As for the drug crime being harsh enough? Lets think here, there is a small town in texas called Tulia, people are just selling drugs and not being stopped by the police, look it up if your interested. But as for this subject? again how can you compare a computer program that would cause another computer to temporary fault to a drug that will injure a body leading to death in the future.
Yes he is young, he probably knew what he was doing at the moment, after all computer programming can be a challenge changing the syntax to do what you want it to do. Yes he is intelligent for his age, however, he does not know his future ahead of him. Lets say he did not get caught. in the future he could be the key to a technology that will assist medical professors to finding a cure for cancer. Or maybe he can launch a generation of computerized vehicles that do not pollute at all, and not even requires an oil change. I dont know, you dont know, not even he knows. The only people that can see where he can lead too are his PARENTS!!(HINT HINT)
He should be spared, but of course there will always be companies that claim thousands of dollars loss (without proof, or any documentation stating that). For example lets look at a sentence stated above.
“The government estimates Parson’s version alone inundated more than 48,000 computers.”
How in the hell can government count 48,000 computers. What ever happen a week later or less?
“A patch was established and all computers were back to working perfectly, none were permanent.”(my personal statement off the record)
Does that sound about right?
I have seen childeren, kids, teenagers with great mind power through out my life that have done some wrong. Them same people have grown, realized their capacity and now they are using it making a difference in the world, and two are in the government. The parents are his only hope for pointing the right direction. Parents should be the ones to guide him to success. I say give him a slap on the hand, give him the scare speach with some community service. FACE slap the parents, and inform them to continue the guidence to his success.
Let me ask you something. When people first buy a car, they read the owners manual for maintenance info, or what not. Since virus have been out longer than anyone can count their years. Why wont you read info like this link when you first buy a computer
http://depts.washington.edu/trio/train/howto/tools/antivirus.shtml
August 13th, 2004 at 4:47 pm
> “Do you think I have the time, money, and inclination to worry about my data being destroyed by someone like this?”
Hey buddy… Go run some backups.
Y’know, it’s funny, all these Blasters and Melissas and Sircams… and I haven’t been infected with any one of them. Maybe it’s ’cause I’m lucky, or maybe it’s just cause I’m not a complete dried-up twit.
If you aren’t competent enough to cross the street right, and you get run over by some poor schmo while you’re idiotically jaywalking, it ain’t the driver’s fault.
August 13th, 2004 at 5:00 pm
Anybody who defends this guy better re-evaluate their loyalty. Producing worms,trojans, viruses, or any other type of malicious code with the intent of destroying data, or causing systems to shut-down, etc, are terrorists. Think about it. Recently, we are told of plans to disrupt Wall st, so that our day-to-day financial business stops, resulting in the loss of potentially billions of dollars. What this nerd did was the same thing. He created code that targeted corporate systems. These people are NOT underground heroes, they are terrorists, and should be prosecuted as such.
If you are so good at writing code, then appreciate your gift and use it wisely. I have no sympathy for this nut. He deserves to be taken down and severly punished. These issues are not funny. They affect people’s lives and ability to make a living.
Database Application Developer in Nevada.
August 13th, 2004 at 5:08 pm
Actually, you couldn’t be more wrong. Most jails are filled with petty drug USERS, not dealers. And most of them are in for possession of small amounts of hard drugs, or any amount of marijuana. The amount of money that our country wastes on the prosecution and incarceration of petty drug users is as staggering as YOUR seeming ignorance to this social issue.
It’s people like you who respond with malice and little reasoning that cause issues in this country. You take hard edged attitudes to crimes, and believe that ‘big business’ should be protected over social interest. There is no ’social interest’ in incarcerating a teenage boy. Rather than deter him from crime, it will only make his ability to live a normal life completely impossible, and given the choice between life as a janitor and illegally hacking systems to obtain credit card numbers, I myself would probably choose the latter. He should either get probation, or we should change the legal system to have non-violent crimes such as this one stricken from your record once your time is served.
Of course, this would be of little use to him, since the media has thoroughly plastered his name and face everywhere. Society working together to destroy the rest of a mans 60 years for his lack of judgement in his youth. What a great country we live in.
August 13th, 2004 at 5:21 pm
My god, you’re some sort of sociopath? You know, kids have been stealing money from parents wallets, swiping the car, and sneaking out past curfew for nearly as long as there have been teenagers. This has cost people money just as much as computer viruses. Are you trying to tell me that your $150 (anything more, and you were swindled) is so important that you think a teenager should be ANALLY RAPED in prison for THREE YEARS? Perhaps we should beat our children thoroughly at a young age, and send them all to military school, so we remove all their individual thought early, and this kind of behaviour can be stamped out at the root. Because we know you never made a mistake in your life that cost anyone else money, or time, or embarassment, so that justifies shipping this one off to jail to not only be physically and emotionally damaged for the rest of his life, but to completely ruin his future with a felony record.
Bravo, sir. You know what’s good for the future of America.
August 13th, 2004 at 6:36 pm
First of all, if you plan to leave a comment, at least have some kind of knowledge about what you say.
Terrorism is use of violence, or the threat of violence, to create a climate of fear in a given population. With the intent to effect political change on either a local or an international scale
That boy does not fit violence, nor did he intend to change anything. The virus was just for annoyance…
Let me school you some more. If you want to compare his code to terrorism……why wont you look up cyberterrorism have you ever heard of that…read it you uneducated punk.
Very interesting how you want everyone to think about the plan to disrupt wall st….has that ever happened? NO it has not!!! So how can you say this nerd did the same thing when that issue never happened, there is no actual documentation that the plan was going to carry out. Not even the government has such proof. As far as I remember there is no code involved….
I had never seen a computer virus affect people’s lives either. Have you? I doubt it. Let’s make something up, since you are good at it. Lets say a virus creeps into a hospital, infected a breathing machine that is currently used on a patient. The virus caused the machine to increase and accelerate causing the patient’s health to damage worse… Now that will affect a life…but has that happened? Hell no!!
As far as peoples ability to make a living? Because of viruses there are lots of jobs. Microsoft has a section to handle bugs and possible deficiencies. All the antivirus companies, can you imagine the population in the companies? How about the outside people who gets paid to hack into systems? Look at you database developer, have you ever been called into work because of unexpected activity within systems? More hours for you right?
Do not reply to this if you cannot make any sense.
August 13th, 2004 at 6:40 pm
Ahahahahahahhahahahahah. AHaHAHAHAHAHA..
Man, as soon as I stop laughing at you, I’ll post a response.
Whew, all better.
Sayings that hackers are the “lowest form of criminal in the world” just highlights your middle class upbringing. You are unable to FATHOM true criminal behaviour. People selling kids to paedophiles willing to pay? Mean and women who chop up other people and bury them in their garden? Drug dealers trying to get kids hooked on crack?
But hackers are bad, because they might cost you a couple hundred dollars to get someone to clean off your computer. Or maybe you’re talking about the inflated financial numbers that companies pretend to lose because of viruses? You know, I don’t know a single one of these viruses that impacted our financial transactions, but I did get 30 less “FW: FUNNY JOEK!” emails at work, so maybe I should have paid HIM? But oddly, even though most of the companies I work with made the same dollar amount that they made on every other day, they still assumed they lost 15-20% just because their email was off and on for a couple days.
The vast scale of your business and social ignorance frightens me, and the fact that puppet peons like you are the ones doing most of the voting in this country is enough to make me sick.
August 13th, 2004 at 7:05 pm
Yeah? You know, if you burned down an H2 dealership, those burned H2s would be right there. There were 30 of them, they each cost X, plus the price of the building, and the equipment in it. I could take out my calculator, and add it all up.
The cost to business in the billions? My bullshit detector comes out and immediately smokes and explodes. Show me the numbers. Show me the losses in hard copy, so I can add them up. Half of companies these days nearly RELY on viruses so they can pad their numbers in quarterly reports. Companies make up losses, and the losses are often arbitrary and exaggerated. The cost is entirely a made up number, and can be any number the company cares to offer. Until a company offers hard proof of exactly where and how the losses were achieved, I will ignore their bleating.
August 13th, 2004 at 7:15 pm
Ah, the world is full of petty pricks.
He wasn’t defending the accuseds weight, or even saying that you should be lenient in the court because of it. He said, with great truth, that anyone who chooses to condemn him solely because he’s overweight should be shot in the head and dragged through the streets to be eaten by dogs. You included.
Him being a “fat-ass” has nothing to do with the reality of his crime, but you and your ilks absolute need to somehow make his weight an issue in this only points out your prejudice and ignorance. It removes every semblance of credibility and makes you sound more like redneck vigilantes than sensible individuals. If you go to a “hacker” convention, you’ll note that there are more tragically skinny people there than overweight people. Most of the true “security experts” I know are undernourished, as they tend to ignore things like “food” and “sleep” in their many-houred computer excursions.
Now, why don’t you stop typing on that computer. There’s a stall that’s clogged on the third floor, you should probably get on it.
August 13th, 2004 at 7:38 pm
I *am* in the field. We had to patch a couple thousand machines. And you know who we blamed? US. Because in an IT environment, the patch for this worm was out long before it hit hard, and long before THIS variant hit. It was our fault that the systems weren’t updated in the first place. It was our jobs to make sure this didn’t happen, and we failed at it. Of course, it was a policy decision above us, and policy changed rapidly after that. He may have been responsible for THIS virus, but what about the others? What if he had never been caught? You run around pointing fingers at people, saying “Not me! Not me!”, but the truth is, every company who got infected by this worm should have been pointing at their IT staff and asking “Whose decision was it to leave these machines unpatched? To not auto-update? To not run AV?” This was sound advice back when the best way to get viruses was a floppy drive, so why should it be any different now, when it’s as easy as mousing over the wrong thing on a web page?
He’s a kid who did a dumb thing. Oddly enough, kids do that sort of thing. This one just happened to step on YOUR foot, but he stepped on mine too. But unlike you, I don’t think that a mistake we make, deliberate or otherwise, as a teenager should ruin the rest of our lives.
August 13th, 2004 at 7:55 pm
Well, you know, porn on your DVD player won’t crash like that, you ignorant hick.
August 13th, 2004 at 7:56 pm
Maybe you are correct….then again, maybe you are not. In any case, we are all entitled to our opinions, and I do respect yours. I apologize if I gave the impression that I thought this person was a terrorist. I intended to say the possible outcome of such an act might have the same result as a terrorist act. I guess I’m not very good at writing what I am thinking. I think the bottom line is that what this ‘boy’ did was wrong. I will refrain from submitting any more personal opinions in this forum. Instead, I will anxiously await the outcome of our legal system who will ultimately determine, right or wrong, how this situation should be handled.
August 13th, 2004 at 10:22 pm
“If you aren’t competent enough to cross the street right, and you get run over by some poor schmo while you’re idiotically jaywalking, it ain’t the driver’s fault.”
The blaster worm could have been easily avoided if half you idiots knew what you were doing with a computer when you bought one and threw a broadband connection on there. When it comes to end users, they’re either too paranoid or not paranoid enough. Its the ones who thought “Aw it’ll never hit me” that are whining and causing this kid to become the scapegoat for the entire thing – HE DIDN’T WRITE THE PROGRAM – HE MODIFIED IT (But fuck finding the original author right? We’ve got a fat shut-in we can pile all the blame on!). There has been a free downloadable program to clean the blaster worm ever since the first variant hit, you retards would just rather take it to a pc shop and pay them $150 for 5 minutes of pointing, clicking, and typing that you could of done if you had half the IQ of your cofee mug. The 3 years won’t equate to shit with good time, its just the millions of dollars that were “lost” that is bullshit – stupid office emails, time-wasting flash games, and secretive porn browsing should never equate to money. If you don’t want a virus or a worm protect your neck bitches – don’t get mad when your completely open computer gets a worm and you can’t get on Ebay for a few fuckin days. Prosecute the real criminal here, not the only one that the government could find soon enough for people to still give a shit.
Oh and yeah that kid’s getting his donut poked for sure.
August 13th, 2004 at 10:42 pm
“If you aren’t competent enough to cross the street right, and you get run over by some poor schmo while you’re idiotically jaywalking, it ain’t the driver’s fault.”
The blaster worm could have been easily avoided if half you idiots knew what you were doing with a computer when you bought one and threw a broadband connection on there. When it comes to end users, they’re either too paranoid or not paranoid enough. Its the ones who thought “Aw it’ll never hit me” that are whining and causing this kid to become the scapegoat for the entire thing – HE DIDN’T WRITE THE PROGRAM – HE MODIFIED IT (But fuck finding the original author right? We’ve got a fat shut-in we can pile all the blame on!). There has been a free downloadable program to clean the blaster worm ever since the first variant hit, you retards would just rather take it to a pc shop and pay them $150 for 5 minutes of pointing, clicking, and typing that you could of done if you had half the IQ of your cofee mug. The 3 years won’t equate to shit with good time, its just the millions of dollars that were “lost” that is bullshit – stupid office emails, time-wasting flash games, and secretive porn browsing should never equate to money. If you don’t want a virus or a worm protect your neck bitches – don’t get mad when your completely open computer gets a worm and you can’t get on Ebay for a few fuckin days. Prosecute the real criminal here, not the only one that the government could find soon enough for people to still give a shit.
Oh and yeah that kid’s getting his donut poked for sure.
August 14th, 2004 at 12:50 am
Heh!heh!heh!Heh!
August 14th, 2004 at 5:39 am
I think I should of joined this replying argument…….
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