Telus and Bell v wholesale customers
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A battle is brewing with the No 1 and No 2 Telco companies in Canada against their very own wholesale customers.
The CRTC has ruled both Bell Canada and Telus need to open up their network to wholesale to faster internet speeds (7-meg, 10-meg, 16-meg etc), and to submit pricing.
Currently, wholesale customer are limited to 5-megs and less in our technologically advanced nation.
Bell and Telus both disregarded the ruling by the CRTC and ran to the government to put a stop to this madness claiming it would hurt the Canadian economy, affect jobs and that they wouldn’t invest in future structure.
In other words, Bell Canada and Telus joined forces and ran to the government to get the CRTC ruling over-turned and affirm their monopoly status’s for their territories. (http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf09316.html)
The Canadian Association of Internet Providers (CAIP) and a Coalition of wholesale and other Internet Service Providers formed, and also filed with Industry Canada to counter and rebuke Bell and Telus’ claims, and to strengthen MTS’s claims that internet need to be changed to an essential Telecom service.
See:
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1426111~9b8f44221e5c18c412a794ee83cb071d/Competitor_Coalition_DGTP-004-09_May_4_2009.pdf
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1426112~ae2379b9b6158b1a274a963cb1817cfe/Coalition%20-%20Comments%20on%20Bell%20Telus%20Petitions%204May09.pdf
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1426113~943f713697e737fe36d0c8256fb1337c/Cover%20letter%20-%20Comments%20re%20MTSA%20Petition.pdf
http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1426114~4b59e4e8cbf5458a5f4e4e103a7ac195/Coalition%20Comments%20on%20MTSA%20Petition%20_4May09_.pdf
Caip also release this press-release, “Coalition of Competitors Asks Government to Support Customer Choice for Brandband Internet Access” – http://www.cata.ca/Media_and_Events/Press_Releases/cata_pr05050903.html
CAIP’s Tom Copeland told p2pnet »»»
Sooner or later regulators and policy makers will have to realize that it is un-natural and nonsensical to expect the large incumbents to play nice and embrace wholesale competition on their networks while they own competing retail operations. Only functional separation of the network part of the business from the retail part of the business will give us true competition in the retail market. It has worked in the UK and is beginning to work in other jurisdictions. Canadian telecom policy needs to reflect this dynamic before true competition is eradicated.
A separation of structure. Hmmmm. This was also suggested by the Quebec Consumers Union.
Over in Europe, “The debates on the Telecoms Package, thanks to a remarkable citizen mobilization, led to an extremely strong recognition of the access to internet as a fundamental right with the re-adoption of amendment 138/46 in second reading by a qualified majority.” http://www.laquadrature.net/en/amendment-138-46-adopted-again
Over in Australia, Tesltra lost in court for stealing its wholesale rivel, Optus, customers’ data and using it for their gains. http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25425381-5014099,00.html
“OPTUS has won a Federal Court ruling against Telstra in which it was alleged that Australia’s dominant telco misused Optus’ confidential information for its own marketing gains in the 1990s.
Optus claimed that in the period 1993 to 2000, Telstra breached an access agreement by obtaining confidential information about Optus’ long distance telephony traffic.
The traffic information, which included the number of calls made, the source of call, the destination, duration, time, kind of call and value, was used to track the success of Optus’ marketing campaigns, The Australian reports.
This information was provided by Telstra Wholesale to Telstra Retail, where it was used to launch marketing and advertising attacks in the long distance call market in a bid to lure customers away from Optus.”
“The sharing of information between Telstra`s wholesale and retail arms also allowed the telco to monitor in real time, the success of Optus` marketing initiatives and special offers.
“There can be no doubt that in preparing the market share reports Telstra used traffic information of Optus; certainly not every element of such information, but at least the aggregate quantity of Optus` traffic that travelled over Telstra`s network … perhaps more,” Justice Richard Edmonds said in his ruling.
This is, “very ancient history and excellent evidence of why structural separation results in a more competitive environment by removing the opportunity for monopoly access providers to succumb to the temptation to eat their own (wholesale) customers,” Internode carrier relations manager John Lindsay said.
Telstra declined to comment.
Do you think Bell is doing this? And maybe Telus?
Bell has already made claims on their wholesale customers B/W usage.
It’s time for Industry Canada and the CRTC to recognize the need for true competition for the benefit of the Canadian people and for the benefit of stronger economic competition and innovation.
It’s time for a separatation or break up the monopolies.
History and current affairs shows it doesn’t work and leads to all sorts of data mining on the wholesalers, and complete anti-competitive acts.
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May, 2009
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May 7th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Correction to the above: I believe Telus filed their tariffsto the CRTC and Bell didn’t. The wholesalers et al. then said the CRTC should do something about Bell flaunting blatant disregard to their rulings .
May 7th, 2009 at 10:55 am
It should also be noted that Bell is refusing to hook up certain new customers in Quebec and Ontario with wholesalers. Yet at the same time will sell their own service to the people who are denied access to wholesalers.
Bell refers to it as an “embargo”.
Refer to: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22338135-Moving-to-new-appartement-in-montreal-but-heres-what
Its not clear why there is an “embargo” against selling internet service via wholesale. Some say its to do with FTTN, some say its to do with Bell reserving a certain number of ports/resources for their usage and selling only.
No clear answer. But we do have an “embargo” now by Bell.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Here’s a story on the subject: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/09/26/tech-separation.html
May 7th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Instead of letting these greedy corporations charge excessive prices and provide poor quality services, why doesn’t the government just supply internet services at cost? All the ISPs do is complain about upgrading and often slow the whole process.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Hmmm…. Or make each municipality responsible?
Rural area’s are already being funded, so this shouldn’t be a a big problem either…
Just a thought.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Right on, OG!
For quite some time now, I’ve been saying the “content provider” needs to be separated from the “service provider”, and that the “service providers” need to be separated from the “infrastructure”, in order to have a truly competitive playing field.
Glad to see some of that idea starting to get more airplay.
With a little luck, maybe enough people will lose their curious love affair with the “megacorporate” way of doing things.