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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4521</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JASS,


          LOOK  THIS  IS  FOR  YOU.  BURT, CURTIS,SLIM, QUNT,  AND  ANDRE,  AND  CRISS.....  I  AINT  DEAD  YET  AND  UNTIL  I  AM  DEAD  I  DONT  WANT  TO  HEAR  ABOUT  ANYONE  OF  YOU  ACTING  LIKE  I  AM  SERIOUSLY,....    PEOPLE  USED  TO  SAY  THAT  I  WAS  GOING  TO  WALK  AGAIN  WHEN  MY  LEGGS  WERE  SMALLER  THAN  FREE'S  ARMS,...   AND  THEY  KNEW  IT  WAS  IMPOSSIBLE,...  AND  THEY  DID  NOT  KNOW  THAT  OUR  CREATOR  WAS  LISTENING   TO  THEM  ALL,..   NOW  I  CAN  WALK  AND  I  STAND  TALL  LIKE  AJ  FET   B.E.T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JASS,</p>
<p>          LOOK  THIS  IS  FOR  YOU.  BURT, CURTIS,SLIM, QUNT,  AND  ANDRE,  AND  CRISS&#8230;..  I  AINT  DEAD  YET  AND  UNTIL  I  AM  DEAD  I  DONT  WANT  TO  HEAR  ABOUT  ANYONE  OF  YOU  ACTING  LIKE  I  AM  SERIOUSLY,&#8230;.    PEOPLE  USED  TO  SAY  THAT  I  WAS  GOING  TO  WALK  AGAIN  WHEN  MY  LEGGS  WERE  SMALLER  THAN  FREE&#8217;S  ARMS,&#8230;   AND  THEY  KNEW  IT  WAS  IMPOSSIBLE,&#8230;  AND  THEY  DID  NOT  KNOW  THAT  OUR  CREATOR  WAS  LISTENING   TO  THEM  ALL,..   NOW  I  CAN  WALK  AND  I  STAND  TALL  LIKE  AJ  FET   B.E.T.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4520</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jass,



          no,..  NO,..  WAY!   ALL  I  WAS  DOING  WAS  LISTENING  TO  ANGIE STONE   AND  YOU  JUST  WENT  COMPLETLY  OFF  ON  THE  DEEP  END AND  PERSONALLY  I  FEEL  GOOD  ABOUT  YOU,..   I  HAVE  NEVER  HEARD  ANGIE  STONE'S  SONG  BEFORE  AND  YOU  JUST  TOOK  THINGS  WAY  OUT  OF  THE  BALL  PARK.  LET  ME  ASK  YOU  A  QUESTION,...   " ARE  YOU  REALLY  UPSET  WITH  ME?"   BECAUSE  IF  YOU  ARE  JUST  LETTING  SOME  FRUSTRATIONS  OUT  PLEASE  GO  WOMAN  LET  IT  ALL  OUT  I  AM  RIGHT  HERE  AND  THE  WHOLE  SHOW  IS  YOURS,..  I  AM  SERIOUS  IT  IS  ALL  YOURS,..   JASS.
         YOU  ARE  A  GROWN  WOMAN  AND  I  AM  A  GROWN  MAN  SO  YOU  DO  NOT  HAVE  TO  HIDE  YOUR  FEELINGS  FROM  ME.  I  WANT  TO  KNOW  HOW  YOU  FEEL,  I  CARE  WHEN  EVERY  THING  IS  ALRIGHT  AS  MUCH  AS  WHEN  EVERYTHING  IS  ALL  WRONG.  EVEN  MORE  WHEN  EVERYTHING  IS  ALL  WRONG,....    WHEN  READING  THE  ST.JAMES  VERSION  OF  THE  HOLY  BIBLE  YOU  HAVE  TO  TRY  TO  UNDERSTAND  THE  FIRST  BOOK  OF  JOHN  SO  WE  CAN  SHINE  A  LITTLE  MORE  LIGHT  ON  VERSES  TEN  AND  ELEVEN  AND  TWELVE,...    AS  IT  HAS  BEEN  ESTABLISHED  IN  THE  FIRST  BOOK  OF  CORINTHIANS  IN  THE  THIRTEENTH  CHAPTER  VERSES  ONE  TO  THIRTEEN,..   NOW  LOOK  AT  YOURSELF  AND  I  AM  GOING  TO  LOOK  IN  THE  MIRROR  AT  MYSELF,...  NEITHER  ONE  OF  US  ARE  SO  SATISFIED  THAT  WE  DONT  HAVE  ANY  ROOM  FOR  IMPROVEMENTS  WITH  OUR  OWN  SELVES  INDIVIDUALLY,.  AND  WITH  EACH  OTHER,  WELL  ACT  LIKE  IT !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jass,</p>
<p>          no,..  NO,..  WAY!   ALL  I  WAS  DOING  WAS  LISTENING  TO  ANGIE STONE   AND  YOU  JUST  WENT  COMPLETLY  OFF  ON  THE  DEEP  END AND  PERSONALLY  I  FEEL  GOOD  ABOUT  YOU,..   I  HAVE  NEVER  HEARD  ANGIE  STONE&#8217;S  SONG  BEFORE  AND  YOU  JUST  TOOK  THINGS  WAY  OUT  OF  THE  BALL  PARK.  LET  ME  ASK  YOU  A  QUESTION,&#8230;   &#8221; ARE  YOU  REALLY  UPSET  WITH  ME?&#8221;   BECAUSE  IF  YOU  ARE  JUST  LETTING  SOME  FRUSTRATIONS  OUT  PLEASE  GO  WOMAN  LET  IT  ALL  OUT  I  AM  RIGHT  HERE  AND  THE  WHOLE  SHOW  IS  YOURS,..  I  AM  SERIOUS  IT  IS  ALL  YOURS,..   JASS.<br />
         YOU  ARE  A  GROWN  WOMAN  AND  I  AM  A  GROWN  MAN  SO  YOU  DO  NOT  HAVE  TO  HIDE  YOUR  FEELINGS  FROM  ME.  I  WANT  TO  KNOW  HOW  YOU  FEEL,  I  CARE  WHEN  EVERY  THING  IS  ALRIGHT  AS  MUCH  AS  WHEN  EVERYTHING  IS  ALL  WRONG.  EVEN  MORE  WHEN  EVERYTHING  IS  ALL  WRONG,&#8230;.    WHEN  READING  THE  ST.JAMES  VERSION  OF  THE  HOLY  BIBLE  YOU  HAVE  TO  TRY  TO  UNDERSTAND  THE  FIRST  BOOK  OF  JOHN  SO  WE  CAN  SHINE  A  LITTLE  MORE  LIGHT  ON  VERSES  TEN  AND  ELEVEN  AND  TWELVE,&#8230;    AS  IT  HAS  BEEN  ESTABLISHED  IN  THE  FIRST  BOOK  OF  CORINTHIANS  IN  THE  THIRTEENTH  CHAPTER  VERSES  ONE  TO  THIRTEEN,..   NOW  LOOK  AT  YOURSELF  AND  I  AM  GOING  TO  LOOK  IN  THE  MIRROR  AT  MYSELF,&#8230;  NEITHER  ONE  OF  US  ARE  SO  SATISFIED  THAT  WE  DONT  HAVE  ANY  ROOM  FOR  IMPROVEMENTS  WITH  OUR  OWN  SELVES  INDIVIDUALLY,.  AND  WITH  EACH  OTHER,  WELL  ACT  LIKE  IT !</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4512</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jass,


         I  was  LISTENING   TO  A  SONG  BY  ANGIE  STONE  BECAUSE  I  HAVE  NOT  HEARD  IT  BEFORE  EVER !  I  WAS  NOT  TRYING  TO  UPSET  YOU,  PLEASE  BELEAVE  ME.  SO,  I  OPOLOGIZE  IF  YOU  THINK  IT  WAS  DIRECTED  TO  YOU,  IT  WAS  NOT ! 
        HOWEVER  I  WOULD  LIKE  TO  SEE  YOU  AND  LOOK  INTO  YOUR  PRETTY  EYES,  AND  UNTIL  THAT  DAY  COMES   DONT  WORRY  ABOUT  IT,   IT  ALSO  MAY  NEVER  COME.  WHAT  IF  MY  DEATH  COMES  FIRST ?   YOU  SEE  SOME  PEOPLE  WERE  IN  A  LOCAL  NIGHT  CLUB  AND  THE  DJ  PLAYED  ONE  OF  MY  CD's  AND  EVERYBODY  WANTS  TO  BUY  THE  NEW-MUSIC  ONE  GUY  OFFERED  FIFTY  DOLLARS  AND  I  GOT  NERVIOUS  ABOUT  THE  CD  FEELING  THAT  I  SHOULD  HAVE  GAVE  IT  TO  YOU,  CURTIS  OR  SLIM,  BURT,  OR  ANDRE  AND  QUINTON,...  MAYBE  TONI  BRAXTON  AND  YOU  GUYS  ARE  JUST  TO  BUSY  ALL  DAY  LONG  AND  ALL  NIGHT  TO  CALL  ME,  SO,.....   I  AM  ALREADY  YOU  GUYS  MUSIC  STUDENT,...   AND  I  WENT  TO  PREY  ABOUT  IT  AND  I  WENT  INTO  AN  UNEXSPECTED  OUTER  BODY  EXPERIANCE  THAT  WRECKED  MY  NERVES,...  AGAIN,...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jass,</p>
<p>         I  was  LISTENING   TO  A  SONG  BY  ANGIE  STONE  BECAUSE  I  HAVE  NOT  HEARD  IT  BEFORE  EVER !  I  WAS  NOT  TRYING  TO  UPSET  YOU,  PLEASE  BELEAVE  ME.  SO,  I  OPOLOGIZE  IF  YOU  THINK  IT  WAS  DIRECTED  TO  YOU,  IT  WAS  NOT !<br />
        HOWEVER  I  WOULD  LIKE  TO  SEE  YOU  AND  LOOK  INTO  YOUR  PRETTY  EYES,  AND  UNTIL  THAT  DAY  COMES   DONT  WORRY  ABOUT  IT,   IT  ALSO  MAY  NEVER  COME.  WHAT  IF  MY  DEATH  COMES  FIRST ?   YOU  SEE  SOME  PEOPLE  WERE  IN  A  LOCAL  NIGHT  CLUB  AND  THE  DJ  PLAYED  ONE  OF  MY  CD&#8217;s  AND  EVERYBODY  WANTS  TO  BUY  THE  NEW-MUSIC  ONE  GUY  OFFERED  FIFTY  DOLLARS  AND  I  GOT  NERVIOUS  ABOUT  THE  CD  FEELING  THAT  I  SHOULD  HAVE  GAVE  IT  TO  YOU,  CURTIS  OR  SLIM,  BURT,  OR  ANDRE  AND  QUINTON,&#8230;  MAYBE  TONI  BRAXTON  AND  YOU  GUYS  ARE  JUST  TO  BUSY  ALL  DAY  LONG  AND  ALL  NIGHT  TO  CALL  ME,  SO,&#8230;..   I  AM  ALREADY  YOU  GUYS  MUSIC  STUDENT,&#8230;   AND  I  WENT  TO  PREY  ABOUT  IT  AND  I  WENT  INTO  AN  UNEXSPECTED  OUTER  BODY  EXPERIANCE  THAT  WRECKED  MY  NERVES,&#8230;  AGAIN,&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4509</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4509</guid>
		<description>It is a real puzzle why the British seem so keen to relinquish the freedom that they appear to take for granted as something they can never lose. Political apathy is the reason, I believe, why so many seem willing to accept a compulsory national identity card at face value. But also browbeating by the Government, especially arch authoritarian David Blunkett, and now tacit acceptance by the CBI and other organisations will seduce the general public into thinking that there is no alternative to ID cards. In fact, the Government is being its usual duplicitous self by cultivating a sense of easy acceptance, especially if the implicit or explicit message is: "You've got nothing to hide, have you, Sir?"

I am totally opposed to the card for the simple reason that it changes the relationship between the citizen and the state forever. We in Britain are free men and women. Our fathers, mothers, grandfathers, and siblings fought for this freedom in previous generations still in living memory, and many of them lost their lives that we might enjoy freedom from tyranny. This Government may not actually intend tyranny with us right now, although one sometimes has to wonder, what with the Home Secretary's desire for "balance of probabilities" to replace "beyond all reasonable doubt", to restrict the right to jury trials, to incarcerate suspects, maybe British nationals too, indefinitely without charge, to poke fun at the "bonkers" judiciary, to speak of Britain being "swamped" by illegal immigrants, and to glibly celebrate the suicide of a prisoner for whom he was responsible, but let us hope that a higher intellect may soon grace the corridors of that esteemed office and restore some much needed integrity to it.

However, some government in the future may see the compulsory ID card as an open sesame to all our lives in ways we cannot envisage right now. If the chip on the card is reprogrammable remotely, then a future government will be able to store details about us that we never really wanted to release. It is likely that the ID card will be state-of-the-art and therefore fitted with a radio frequency identification (RFID) tag to make it possible for the card to be read silently, remotely, from a distance of several feet by any official with the right kind of scanner - or by fraudsters with a purloined scanner. This technology is available right now and is being used commercially. The salient item of data sent will be our Universal Unique Identity Number which will immediately permit the official to access the National Identity Register and find out everything about us, almost in the space of a moment or two that it takes for us to pass by the scanner and be unwittingly logged. Forget about Britain being the country with the highest number of CCTV cameras, many of which are being scanned by people working for private security firms with sometimes dubious intent, this will be like everyone having his or her own personal CCTV camera hovering just inches away wherever one goes. Too futuristic? Do you think this Government would not adopt such measures if it could? Look at the way Government ministers are right now desperately trying to confiscate legal lottery winnings from someone who happens to be a convicted rapist. This is a measure of how desperate, how cunning, how deceitful the Government can be just to placate the media.

The huge amount of information which will accumulate on all of us will inevitably be leaky. Some of it will leak by accident, or due to faulty equipment, or because of fraudulent access by officials. But also we will be losing cards in huge numbers just by going about our normal daily business. With 40 million cards in circulation, there will be hundreds going astray every day all over the country, if only through accidental loss or damage. Criminals will target ID cards no matter how forgery-proof the Government insists they will be. Whereas a credit card is only of use for buying goods, the ID card will be the open sesame to all kinds of services. Without one you will become a non-person. This will make the card far more attractive to steal or forge than a credit card. Thieves will continually try their luck and mug someone who is unlikely to retaliate, just to steal their ID card. And if our card replaces all the various cards or forms of identification many of us use at present, what will we do if we do lose it? Will it mean that we suddenly have no access to cash, food, NHS treatment, benefits, travel, or public conveniences, and moreover are seen as potential terrorists because we can't produce the card when asked? How long will it be before we receive a replacement card? Two days? Four? The card will be too high a risk to be sent through the normal postal service, therefore we may be required to attend a local Government department in order to collect it, perhaps losing half a day's pay in order to get there during brief civil service hours of business. How will we carry on our daily lives if by then the ID card has become the ubiquitous proof, demanded everywhere, that we exist? Its loss will be catastrophic, not merely an inconvenience, as when we happen to lose a credit card or a season ticket.

Then there is the risible suggestion that while the card will become compulsory, a suspect will still have five days' grace in which to present it at a police station should he not have the card handy when stopped by the authorities. Would a suspected terrorist thus be allowed to go on his way, having promised to pop in with the card as soon as he gets home? Can one really suppose that the Government has given more than cursory thought to the whole idea?

There are dozens of other points that the Government has either not addressed at all, or simply glossed over. Blunkett immediately gets ratty if asked any pointed questions, a sure sign that this is all being driven by pure New Labour dogma. The cost will be horrendous. Forget the wildly optimistic estimate of £3.1 bn over ten years. The Dome alone cost 3/4 of a billion - just for a big tent. Imagine the cost of marshalling 40 million pairs of eyes, 40 million fingers, and 40 million faces past the scanners, then storing, maintaining, updating and querying such vast quantities of data. How many hundreds of supercilious officials in shops, libraries, shopping centres, railway and bus stations, car parks, museums, employment offices, government agencies, theatres, cinemas, motorway toll booths, amusement parks, swimming baths, and public parks will demand to see the card? This is a charter for jobsworths everywhere. It will become a nightmare, but the Government will not back down. Blunkett, if still in post, will doggedly chase his British version of the Patriot Act with as much vigour as the PM chases his dream of finding WMD in Iraq. If necessary, truth will be suppressed under the cloak of commercial confidentiality. Cover-ups launched in the guise of state security. The spin machine is already turning at full speed as we are led to believe that already an overwhelming number of the general public support ID cards.

Meanwhile, we Britons who have lived as free men and women on these islands for several thousand years seem bent on giving up most of our freedom to put our trust instead in hidden computers run by unaccountable civil servants and PFI consultants, some of whom may be based abroad. Maybe to cut costs our data will be farmed out to countries in the developing world where processing is cheaper but redress more difficult. The processing will never cease. In Whitehall the lights will burn late into the night updating the data as people move, leave the country or return, get married, change their name by deed poll, are falsely accused, commit suicide, or lose their card deliberately or accidentally or through theft. The machines and their minders will be running red hot most of the day and night in order to stay on top of the millions of requests for data from myriad government agencies day in, day out. This could be the white heat of technology spoken about in a former generation, but with far more sinister overtones.

I suggest that we have not even begun to ponder the ramifications of a compulsory ID card. It is such a Draconian change from British tradition that I feel we are in danger of selling out our soul for dubious and uncosted benefits. None of the promised savings have been properly justified so far, and they are mainly comprised in vague and grandiose flights of fancy by eager authoritarians. It is my heartfelt wish that Britain remains a free nation and says a resounding "no" to ID cards.

Mike Mitchell
kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a real puzzle why the British seem so keen to relinquish the freedom that they appear to take for granted as something they can never lose. Political apathy is the reason, I believe, why so many seem willing to accept a compulsory national identity card at face value. But also browbeating by the Government, especially arch authoritarian David Blunkett, and now tacit acceptance by the CBI and other organisations will seduce the general public into thinking that there is no alternative to ID cards. In fact, the Government is being its usual duplicitous self by cultivating a sense of easy acceptance, especially if the implicit or explicit message is: &#8220;You&#8217;ve got nothing to hide, have you, Sir?&#8221;</p>
<p>I am totally opposed to the card for the simple reason that it changes the relationship between the citizen and the state forever. We in Britain are free men and women. Our fathers, mothers, grandfathers, and siblings fought for this freedom in previous generations still in living memory, and many of them lost their lives that we might enjoy freedom from tyranny. This Government may not actually intend tyranny with us right now, although one sometimes has to wonder, what with the Home Secretary&#8217;s desire for &#8220;balance of probabilities&#8221; to replace &#8220;beyond all reasonable doubt&#8221;, to restrict the right to jury trials, to incarcerate suspects, maybe British nationals too, indefinitely without charge, to poke fun at the &#8220;bonkers&#8221; judiciary, to speak of Britain being &#8220;swamped&#8221; by illegal immigrants, and to glibly celebrate the suicide of a prisoner for whom he was responsible, but let us hope that a higher intellect may soon grace the corridors of that esteemed office and restore some much needed integrity to it.</p>
<p>However, some government in the future may see the compulsory ID card as an open sesame to all our lives in ways we cannot envisage right now. If the chip on the card is reprogrammable remotely, then a future government will be able to store details about us that we never really wanted to release. It is likely that the ID card will be state-of-the-art and therefore fitted with a radio frequency identification (RFID) tag to make it possible for the card to be read silently, remotely, from a distance of several feet by any official with the right kind of scanner - or by fraudsters with a purloined scanner. This technology is available right now and is being used commercially. The salient item of data sent will be our Universal Unique Identity Number which will immediately permit the official to access the National Identity Register and find out everything about us, almost in the space of a moment or two that it takes for us to pass by the scanner and be unwittingly logged. Forget about Britain being the country with the highest number of CCTV cameras, many of which are being scanned by people working for private security firms with sometimes dubious intent, this will be like everyone having his or her own personal CCTV camera hovering just inches away wherever one goes. Too futuristic? Do you think this Government would not adopt such measures if it could? Look at the way Government ministers are right now desperately trying to confiscate legal lottery winnings from someone who happens to be a convicted rapist. This is a measure of how desperate, how cunning, how deceitful the Government can be just to placate the media.</p>
<p>The huge amount of information which will accumulate on all of us will inevitably be leaky. Some of it will leak by accident, or due to faulty equipment, or because of fraudulent access by officials. But also we will be losing cards in huge numbers just by going about our normal daily business. With 40 million cards in circulation, there will be hundreds going astray every day all over the country, if only through accidental loss or damage. Criminals will target ID cards no matter how forgery-proof the Government insists they will be. Whereas a credit card is only of use for buying goods, the ID card will be the open sesame to all kinds of services. Without one you will become a non-person. This will make the card far more attractive to steal or forge than a credit card. Thieves will continually try their luck and mug someone who is unlikely to retaliate, just to steal their ID card. And if our card replaces all the various cards or forms of identification many of us use at present, what will we do if we do lose it? Will it mean that we suddenly have no access to cash, food, NHS treatment, benefits, travel, or public conveniences, and moreover are seen as potential terrorists because we can&#8217;t produce the card when asked? How long will it be before we receive a replacement card? Two days? Four? The card will be too high a risk to be sent through the normal postal service, therefore we may be required to attend a local Government department in order to collect it, perhaps losing half a day&#8217;s pay in order to get there during brief civil service hours of business. How will we carry on our daily lives if by then the ID card has become the ubiquitous proof, demanded everywhere, that we exist? Its loss will be catastrophic, not merely an inconvenience, as when we happen to lose a credit card or a season ticket.</p>
<p>Then there is the risible suggestion that while the card will become compulsory, a suspect will still have five days&#8217; grace in which to present it at a police station should he not have the card handy when stopped by the authorities. Would a suspected terrorist thus be allowed to go on his way, having promised to pop in with the card as soon as he gets home? Can one really suppose that the Government has given more than cursory thought to the whole idea?</p>
<p>There are dozens of other points that the Government has either not addressed at all, or simply glossed over. Blunkett immediately gets ratty if asked any pointed questions, a sure sign that this is all being driven by pure New Labour dogma. The cost will be horrendous. Forget the wildly optimistic estimate of £3.1 bn over ten years. The Dome alone cost 3/4 of a billion - just for a big tent. Imagine the cost of marshalling 40 million pairs of eyes, 40 million fingers, and 40 million faces past the scanners, then storing, maintaining, updating and querying such vast quantities of data. How many hundreds of supercilious officials in shops, libraries, shopping centres, railway and bus stations, car parks, museums, employment offices, government agencies, theatres, cinemas, motorway toll booths, amusement parks, swimming baths, and public parks will demand to see the card? This is a charter for jobsworths everywhere. It will become a nightmare, but the Government will not back down. Blunkett, if still in post, will doggedly chase his British version of the Patriot Act with as much vigour as the PM chases his dream of finding WMD in Iraq. If necessary, truth will be suppressed under the cloak of commercial confidentiality. Cover-ups launched in the guise of state security. The spin machine is already turning at full speed as we are led to believe that already an overwhelming number of the general public support ID cards.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, we Britons who have lived as free men and women on these islands for several thousand years seem bent on giving up most of our freedom to put our trust instead in hidden computers run by unaccountable civil servants and PFI consultants, some of whom may be based abroad. Maybe to cut costs our data will be farmed out to countries in the developing world where processing is cheaper but redress more difficult. The processing will never cease. In Whitehall the lights will burn late into the night updating the data as people move, leave the country or return, get married, change their name by deed poll, are falsely accused, commit suicide, or lose their card deliberately or accidentally or through theft. The machines and their minders will be running red hot most of the day and night in order to stay on top of the millions of requests for data from myriad government agencies day in, day out. This could be the white heat of technology spoken about in a former generation, but with far more sinister overtones.</p>
<p>I suggest that we have not even begun to ponder the ramifications of a compulsory ID card. It is such a Draconian change from British tradition that I feel we are in danger of selling out our soul for dubious and uncosted benefits. None of the promised savings have been properly justified so far, and they are mainly comprised in vague and grandiose flights of fancy by eager authoritarians. It is my heartfelt wish that Britain remains a free nation and says a resounding &#8220;no&#8221; to ID cards.</p>
<p>Mike Mitchell<br />
<a href="mailto:kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk">kylix_is@yahoo.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4492</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jass,



    I  DONT  MIND  WRITING  YOU  BECAUSE  EVERY  DISAGREEMENT  I  HAVE  HAD  WITH  YOU  WAS  THROUGH  A  MISUNDERSTANDING  THRU  THE  MUSIC  AND  I  AM  ALLOWING  YOU  TO  STOP  THE  MUSIC   SO  WHAT  EVER  HAS  YOU  UPSET  YOU  CAN  LET  IT  OUT  AND  MAYBE  I  DO  UNDERSTAND  AND  HAVE  BEEN  IN  THE  SAME  POSITION  YOU  ARE  IN  RIGHT  NOW,...   BEFORE ?  
    I  LOVE  MUSIC  AND  I   HAVE  TO  PAY  CLOSER  ATTENTION  TO  YOU,  RIGHT ?  WELL,  HERE  I  AM  SITTING  WITH  YOU  AND  NOT  THE  MUSIC,.......    THEY  DONT  WANT  ME  WALKING  BECAUSE  I  MIGHT  FALL  EVERY  ONCE  AND  A  WHILE,...  NORTHWESTERN  MEMORIAL  HOSPITAL  HAS  NOTHING  TO  DO  WITH " THE REHABILITATION INSTITUTE OF CHICAGO,"  FOR SPINAL CORD INJURIES.  NORTHWESTERN  MEMORIAL  DOES  HAVE  BAD  DOCTORS  THAT  I  WOULD  RATHER  TO  NEVER  GO  AND  SEE.  THEY  DONT  WANT  ME  SINGING  BECAUSE  I  AM  THE  OFFICAL  MUSIC  STUDENT  AND  THERE  ARE  SOME  THINGS  THAT  I  DONT  KNOW  ABOUT  MUSIC,..   AND  I  HAVE  BEEN  BEGGING  FOR  SOMEBODY  TO  TEACH  ME,..   AND  IF  I  AM  TO  OLD  TO  BE  ALIVE  IN  MUSIC  I  GUESS  I  HAVE  TO  BLOW  MY  OWN  BRAIN  OUT  WITH  A  BULLET,...   AND  MAYBE  THAT  WILL  MAKE  THEM  HAPPY  TO  BE  RID  OF  ME,...  THE  THING  ABOUT  MY  PAST  IS  IT  IS  GONE,...  TODAY  IS  NOT  YESTERDAY,...  I  AM  STILL  ALIVE,..  AND  YES  IT  IS  TRUE  WE  ALL  ARE  GOING  TO  DIE  ONE  DAY,...  THAT  IS  EXACTLY  WHY  I  WANT  TO  LIVE  MY  LIFE,  NOW,....   AND  I  AM  NOT  GOING  TO  SHOOT  MYSELF  IN  THE   HEAD  WITH  A  GUN  OR  ANY  BULLETS,...  THAT  SOUND  SO  FAR  AWAY  FROM  THE  HOME  PLATE  IN  THE  OPPOSITE  DIRECTION  OF  THE  FIRST  BASE,...   SO,....  I  PASS,....
       NOW  IF  I  HAVE  TO  GET  MY  COPYWRITES  I  HAVE  TO  GET  THEM,..   I  NEEDED  A  POST  OFFICE  BOX  FOR  MY  MAIL  WHEN  WAS  OUT  ON  THE  STREET.  STRUGGLING  TO  SEE  THE  NEXT  DAY,  BECAUSE  I  WANT  TO  LIVE.  AND  I  HAVE  LET  EVERYTHING  CRIMINAL  GET  REJECTED  OUT  OF  MY  LIFE  WITHOUT  NO  PLACE  TO  SLEEP  OR  NOTHING  TO  EAT,  AND  IT  IS  A  GOOD  FEELING,..  KNOWING  THAT  I  AM  NOT  A  COP  AND  I  AM  NOT  A  CRIMINAL  I  AM  A  SONG WRITER  AND  I  AM  TELLING  YOU  SOMETHING  YOU  NEED  TO  SHARE  WITH  MIKE  YOUR  BROTHER  SOMEBODY  THAT  CONTINEOUSLY  KNOWS  HIS  WHEREABOUTS  IT  THE  REASON  BEHIND  ALL  OF  HIS  TROUBLES  WHETHER  HE  WANT  TO  BELEAVE  IT  OR  NOT  IT  IS  TRUE! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jass,</p>
<p>    I  DONT  MIND  WRITING  YOU  BECAUSE  EVERY  DISAGREEMENT  I  HAVE  HAD  WITH  YOU  WAS  THROUGH  A  MISUNDERSTANDING  THRU  THE  MUSIC  AND  I  AM  ALLOWING  YOU  TO  STOP  THE  MUSIC   SO  WHAT  EVER  HAS  YOU  UPSET  YOU  CAN  LET  IT  OUT  AND  MAYBE  I  DO  UNDERSTAND  AND  HAVE  BEEN  IN  THE  SAME  POSITION  YOU  ARE  IN  RIGHT  NOW,&#8230;   BEFORE ?<br />
    I  LOVE  MUSIC  AND  I   HAVE  TO  PAY  CLOSER  ATTENTION  TO  YOU,  RIGHT ?  WELL,  HERE  I  AM  SITTING  WITH  YOU  AND  NOT  THE  MUSIC,&#8230;&#8230;.    THEY  DONT  WANT  ME  WALKING  BECAUSE  I  MIGHT  FALL  EVERY  ONCE  AND  A  WHILE,&#8230;  NORTHWESTERN  MEMORIAL  HOSPITAL  HAS  NOTHING  TO  DO  WITH &#8221; THE REHABILITATION INSTITUTE OF CHICAGO,&#8221;  FOR SPINAL CORD INJURIES.  NORTHWESTERN  MEMORIAL  DOES  HAVE  BAD  DOCTORS  THAT  I  WOULD  RATHER  TO  NEVER  GO  AND  SEE.  THEY  DONT  WANT  ME  SINGING  BECAUSE  I  AM  THE  OFFICAL  MUSIC  STUDENT  AND  THERE  ARE  SOME  THINGS  THAT  I  DONT  KNOW  ABOUT  MUSIC,..   AND  I  HAVE  BEEN  BEGGING  FOR  SOMEBODY  TO  TEACH  ME,..   AND  IF  I  AM  TO  OLD  TO  BE  ALIVE  IN  MUSIC  I  GUESS  I  HAVE  TO  BLOW  MY  OWN  BRAIN  OUT  WITH  A  BULLET,&#8230;   AND  MAYBE  THAT  WILL  MAKE  THEM  HAPPY  TO  BE  RID  OF  ME,&#8230;  THE  THING  ABOUT  MY  PAST  IS  IT  IS  GONE,&#8230;  TODAY  IS  NOT  YESTERDAY,&#8230;  I  AM  STILL  ALIVE,..  AND  YES  IT  IS  TRUE  WE  ALL  ARE  GOING  TO  DIE  ONE  DAY,&#8230;  THAT  IS  EXACTLY  WHY  I  WANT  TO  LIVE  MY  LIFE,  NOW,&#8230;.   AND  I  AM  NOT  GOING  TO  SHOOT  MYSELF  IN  THE   HEAD  WITH  A  GUN  OR  ANY  BULLETS,&#8230;  THAT  SOUND  SO  FAR  AWAY  FROM  THE  HOME  PLATE  IN  THE  OPPOSITE  DIRECTION  OF  THE  FIRST  BASE,&#8230;   SO,&#8230;.  I  PASS,&#8230;.<br />
       NOW  IF  I  HAVE  TO  GET  MY  COPYWRITES  I  HAVE  TO  GET  THEM,..   I  NEEDED  A  POST  OFFICE  BOX  FOR  MY  MAIL  WHEN  WAS  OUT  ON  THE  STREET.  STRUGGLING  TO  SEE  THE  NEXT  DAY,  BECAUSE  I  WANT  TO  LIVE.  AND  I  HAVE  LET  EVERYTHING  CRIMINAL  GET  REJECTED  OUT  OF  MY  LIFE  WITHOUT  NO  PLACE  TO  SLEEP  OR  NOTHING  TO  EAT,  AND  IT  IS  A  GOOD  FEELING,..  KNOWING  THAT  I  AM  NOT  A  COP  AND  I  AM  NOT  A  CRIMINAL  I  AM  A  SONG WRITER  AND  I  AM  TELLING  YOU  SOMETHING  YOU  NEED  TO  SHARE  WITH  MIKE  YOUR  BROTHER  SOMEBODY  THAT  CONTINEOUSLY  KNOWS  HIS  WHEREABOUTS  IT  THE  REASON  BEHIND  ALL  OF  HIS  TROUBLES  WHETHER  HE  WANT  TO  BELEAVE  IT  OR  NOT  IT  IS  TRUE!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4488</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2004 04:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4488</guid>
		<description>this isn't gonna happen....................................

it already is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this isn&#8217;t gonna happen&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>it already is</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4486</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2004 04:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4486</guid>
		<description>I think the time will soon come when we no longer will have to carry any money, credit cards, or identification. And no signatures, either. Retina scans and fingerprint scans will replace all that, and each of us will be known instantly without having to present anything other than our own human body parts. 

Just walk into any building, and you will be automatically scanned and identified with hardly a notice. 

And if ever in doubt, our DNA will be on file too, for split-second identity verification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the time will soon come when we no longer will have to carry any money, credit cards, or identification. And no signatures, either. Retina scans and fingerprint scans will replace all that, and each of us will be known instantly without having to present anything other than our own human body parts. </p>
<p>Just walk into any building, and you will be automatically scanned and identified with hardly a notice. </p>
<p>And if ever in doubt, our DNA will be on file too, for split-second identity verification.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4485</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2004 04:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4485</guid>
		<description>WHY NOT LOVE BIG BROTHER...

HIS ECHELON PROVIDES INFORMATION AND HIS EUROPOL PROVIES SECURITY......

WHO COULD BE AGAINST THA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY NOT LOVE BIG BROTHER&#8230;</p>
<p>HIS ECHELON PROVIDES INFORMATION AND HIS EUROPOL PROVIES SECURITY&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>WHO COULD BE AGAINST THA</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4483</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4483</guid>
		<description>Would it not be easier to deter all types of fraud crimes and restore honesty if we personalise our signatures with ID stickers (small stickers with person's photo and name printed on them). We use our photos to personalise our passports and so there is no reason why we could not make signatures reliable and foolproof by personalising them. 

It is obvious that this system will restore honesty in all sectors of the industry since it will automatically deter use of stolen, forged and fake documents since no one would want the police to expose their identity on "Wanted for questioning" pages in national papers. 

Pocket size book of ID stickers supplied by financial institutions, government departments etc. will enable individuals to personalise their signatures on any document at any time and anywhere. In reality this system will eliminate the need to rely on any equipment, databases and even ID documents and yet will deter fraud. 

This system does not conflict with any other system but it will make all other sysyems reliable and foolproof.

Comments will be appreciated.

Warning: Idea of personalised signatures is rights protected by granted patents and stationary used is protected by copyrights.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it not be easier to deter all types of fraud crimes and restore honesty if we personalise our signatures with ID stickers (small stickers with person&#8217;s photo and name printed on them). We use our photos to personalise our passports and so there is no reason why we could not make signatures reliable and foolproof by personalising them. </p>
<p>It is obvious that this system will restore honesty in all sectors of the industry since it will automatically deter use of stolen, forged and fake documents since no one would want the police to expose their identity on &#8220;Wanted for questioning&#8221; pages in national papers. </p>
<p>Pocket size book of ID stickers supplied by financial institutions, government departments etc. will enable individuals to personalise their signatures on any document at any time and anywhere. In reality this system will eliminate the need to rely on any equipment, databases and even ID documents and yet will deter fraud. </p>
<p>This system does not conflict with any other system but it will make all other sysyems reliable and foolproof.</p>
<p>Comments will be appreciated.</p>
<p>Warning: Idea of personalised signatures is rights protected by granted patents and stationary used is protected by copyrights.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4480</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2168#comment-4480</guid>
		<description>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5697267/site/newsweek/

The sad fact is that we are slowly being robbed of our freedom and privacy. </description>
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<p>The sad fact is that we are slowly being robbed of our freedom and privacy.</p>
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