Apple followers to the rescue!
p2pnet.net News Opinion:- You have to give it to them: Apple followers are hard-core. They leap to the defence of their favourite corporate music site (iTunes) or computer (the MAC) or mp3 player (iPod) or operating system (OS X) with alacrity.
It’d be interesting to see Apple’s market research: how much of the undeniable loyalty is because of the excellence of its product and how much because Apple has a definite identity whereas PCs are part of a large crowd.
At any rate, our iTunes, MyTunes, ourTunes – Apple’s tunes, or yours? riled Jobs fans and we’re posting three of their comments below.
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Actually it’s Apples iTunes, they can and will break any attempt to bypass the record industry plutocrats DRM, like it or not; otherwise your waspishness is wasted.
Any chance it’s not actually Apple that wants the music so tightly gaurded? Maybe they are trying really hard to KEEP the contracts they have with the labels by bending to their (albeit off-colour) wishes to encrypt/protect/lock-up everything they can.
I was under the impression that Apple actually wanted to find a way to sell the music without ANY DRM and they couldn’t get any labels on board without it.
Somehow I feel all this antagonism towards Apple (above article included) is a tad bit misdirected.
There has been headlines everywhere about the batteries problem, dozens of articles in mainstream media outlets, There are tons of other Apple Haters working as “news reporters” just waiting to say “ah ah! told you so, you pay tons of money for your hardware, and look, there are some defects!”. Sorry I’m sure you’ll find many more cases of consumers electronics and computers recalls in the financial results of most computer makers than in the news, as for Apple, every single problem is overly scruntized by many (non-mac) news outlets often with factually challenged articles.
“Apple just plain won’t let people who’ve paid good money – a lot of it – to download Big Four record label cartel tracks from its iTunes play them on anything except its iPod.”
You can play bought iTunes tracks on as many as five computers, thats for every song available on the iTMS. People forget that not everyone wants/needs portability…People who buy tunes on iTMS are informed of the limitation induced by the DRM, including the fact that you can only use an iPod as a portable music player to play the DRM tunes. You can also burn tracks on CD’s that are the equivalent of what can be heard from playing those on iTunes or on the iPod.
Before puting DRM on the iPod put a couple of things to prevent straightfoward copying of tracks between computers using an iPod. But this was to please the RIAA, they didn’t advertised to them that you could turn this mechanism off very easily with a check box. Apple is not fundamentaly a pro DRM company, they do it in this case because they have to. Mac OS X doesn’t require to be registered online, the rare quirks introduced for commercial purposes are easy to go around. Apple doesn’t try to make infaillible DRM, it is almost purposedly weak. Funny to see the hackers so proud to have hacked some Apple DRM when really Apple didn’t even try to make it infaillible. The way to do an almost totally unhackeable DRM would be using a hardware solution like “Palladium” from MS, Intel and other partners, and then you would have your music collection locked in the Windows platform.
But anyway, I’m guess you don’t have any DRM tunes because they are “evil” and because p2p and mp3russianmafia.com are soooo cheaper. Oh and by the way… you can also play normal mp3’s, AIFF’s and a lossless codec on the iPod…
The only way to legally buy tunes from the Big 4 labels “cartel” is to accept their conditions, is it that hard to understand? Apple has to go after utilities that could in a way replicate a free mirror server of the iTMS. They have to give the impression that they got things under control or they could lose leverage or their contracts entirely. If you want to boycott DRM well don’t say you want to be able to chose your DRM flavor…
August 21st, 2004 at 3:15 pm
If apple is anti-drm, then why do they go up in arms every time software pops up that allows users to exercise their fair use right? Shouldnt the RIAA be doing its job then by sending cease and desist and trying to sue those? And why did apple bash on real when they made it possible as well?
None of those letters hold any real water, they just use past examples and arguements and parrot them back to us, like the case with the battery deal. Steve can outright go fuck himself.
August 21st, 2004 at 3:23 pm
“I was under the impression that Apple actually wanted to find a way to sell the music without ANY DRM and they couldn’t get any labels on board without it.”
(Ok, and your proof for this “impression” is where?)
You can play bought iTunes tracks on as many as five computers…People forget that not everyone wants/needs portability…People who buy tunes on iTMS are informed of the limitation induced by the DRM, including the fact that you can only use an iPod as a portable music player to play the DRM tunes. You can also burn tracks on CD’s that are the equivalent of what can be heard from playing those on iTunes or on the iPod.
(Who are you to say what people want and need? Are you the guy in charge of telling people what they want and need all of a sudden? And why just 5 computers, shouldnt I, who would purchase the right to use the media on any medium possible, be allowed to play them on as many computers as i want? Suppose i own a network of computers in my home, say, 15, would i have to buy that same track three times just to hear it once? Oh i can burn cds hm? That wouldnt appear to be much of a highlight at 99 cents each, but to you I suppose it would be…You know, a technology 15 years old being a fascinating and worth mentioning benefit..)
These people need to go back into their 8th grade classes in september and learn more before spouting their idiocy on here.
August 21st, 2004 at 5:27 pm
“(Who are you to say what people want and need? Are you the guy in charge of telling people what they want and need all of a sudden? And why just 5 computers, shouldnt I, who would purchase the right to use the media on any medium possible, be allowed to play them on as many computers as i want? Suppose i own a network of computers in my home, say, 15, would i have to buy that same track three times just to hear it once? Oh i can burn cds hm? That wouldnt appear to be much of a highlight at 99 cents each, but to you I suppose it would be…You know, a technology 15 years old being a fascinating and worth mentioning benefit..)”
(Hey —-> d i c k h e a d. Before you purchase said tracks its STATED what the conditions of purchase and use ARE. Don’t like it? STFU and use another service without bitching and moaning, or BUY the frellin’ CD’s!)
Shit now I feel like calling the grammar police… wouldnt…
August 21st, 2004 at 5:42 pm
anyone who is dumb enough to pay a buck for an mp3 is dumb enough to buy something from apple
August 21st, 2004 at 6:52 pm
Apple seems to have a knack of attracting chauvinist types overflowing with determined bluster and hubris. (or are these ‘fans’ all paid Apple employees?)
Agreed, Apple often has the cutting-edge products, but its corporate thinking and monopolistic tactics, besides high prices, make me wonder why people stubbornly defend everything Apple.
August 21st, 2004 at 7:14 pm
Avoiding the the bigger debate about fair use. For a corporation to intepret a law (DMCA) and create a technology (FairPlay) to bypass fair use is underhanded. Since when did Apple decide what the terms of fair use should be under the DMCA? (This goes for Real as well)
Nowhere else is there an issue about what I can and can not do with the copyrighted material I purchase. If I put my CD into a player I’m not told my player refuses to play the CD beause it is not the right player or that I have exceeded the number of players to play it in. It’s the beginning of a slippery slope, where “they and them” are using loopholes to undermine the rights people have. Purchasing from iTunes is like giving them an inch and them taking a mile so I don’t do it, I don’t purchase from Real either.
BTW because someone doesn’t like the TOS at iTunes does that mean they give up their right to “bitching and moaning”? Under the iFreeExpression {(c) pending} TOS he has the right to “bitch and moan” at 5 sites while ONLY using Linux then they have to STFU. Sound fair to you? >:)
I fell a Godwin’s Law coming on …
August 21st, 2004 at 8:13 pm
“If apple is anti-drm, then why do they go up in arms every time software pops up that allows users to exercise their fair use right?”
Well, if Apple implemented DRM because of the labels, like this reader suggested, then they obviously also do this to keep the labels happy. Next time use your brain dumbfuck!
Anyway, I don’t think Apple are really anti-DRM, or atleast not anymore. I think they discovered that DRM can help them to generate more profit. Screw them.
August 22nd, 2004 at 2:24 pm
You’ve never used their stuff before.. obviously..
Apple fans are WELL AWARE of what Microsoft has to offer…
it’s all about OS X.
Use OS X and you’ll understand.. Mac fans want more developers to wake up to OS X.. and know that misinformation from Windows guys is the biggest stumbling block… so they try to get the word out.
August 22nd, 2004 at 2:27 pm
Anti-DRM? Excuse me..? You think Apple doesn’t sympathize with content creators? It was Jobs, head of Pixar, who was one of the vocal proponents of DVD protection (hint hint.. his movies)…
For what it’s worth.. Fairplay is all about a DRM that honest users never have to know about.. because it’s very liberal. It’s only when you start making multiple copies (7+) of identical CD’s that the red flags start going off. Is that too much to ask?
August 22nd, 2004 at 2:29 pm
PFFT. How’s that Slammer virus taste?
You really are totally lost if you don’t get why people who use Macs are so in love with their stuff.
Hint: Vertical Integration works…it just doesn’t make you rich.
August 22nd, 2004 at 2:30 pm
P2Pnet seems to attract a fair crew of that type too.
August 22nd, 2004 at 2:54 pm
p2pnet is a web site, not a huge production company
August 22nd, 2004 at 3:29 pm
Seems simple to me – who forces you to buy anything from Apple? – No-one. Who forces you to buy an iPod? – No-one. Since you’re so unhappy about the whole thing just steer well clear of the Apple products – I’m quite sure that Apple won’t miss you. That way you’ll have more time to whine about other things – something you do seem to be very good at. BTW, do you even have an iPod? I’m betting no, you just need an excuse to whine.
August 22nd, 2004 at 5:13 pm
Another uninformed asshole joins the discussion on a site run by other uninformed assholes. Use what ever device, platform you wish. Apple has it’s own DRM, Microsoft has it’s own DRM, Real has it’s owm DRM. Which of these is more inclusive? Which of these has more liberal options for it’s customers? Pick the service that you like & use it. No one is forcing you to buy an iPod. No one is forcing you to buy anything. Where is the monopoly? You want me to use Linux…make it fucking useable & have the same distros on both platforms. Otherwise shut the fuck up about free this & free that. If you don’t own an iPod or have never used a MAC or Windows you opinion is worth shit on discussing either platform. I don’t give a shit as to how many IT badges you shove in everyones faces…if you’ve never used it, you know nothing about it…shut the fuck up.
August 22nd, 2004 at 5:19 pm
http://www.corante.com/apple/archives/005769.php
August 22nd, 2004 at 10:57 pm
Slammer? Whats that? Since when did everyone on PC’s use Winblows? I use Linux, same as you use BSD*cough*Darwin*cough*OSX.
August 22nd, 2004 at 11:00 pm
iPod = Overpriced junk that zombies buy.
There are much better players on the market that even play oggvorbis for cheaper.
August 22nd, 2004 at 11:02 pm
You think us hardcore Linux users dont want developers to wake up to us too?
I feel the pain, and Windows and Microsuck worshipers are 99% of the problem.
August 22nd, 2004 at 11:04 pm
Personally I’m glad assholes like you don’t use Linux. Linux has alot of friendly users that are willing to help, foul mouthed trash like you don’t belong in such a community.
August 23rd, 2004 at 7:58 am
…..zzzzzz……..
– WAKE UP -
Your “much better players” are vapourware, they only exist in your mind.
But then again your choice, each to their own.
August 23rd, 2004 at 11:00 pm
Why don’t you wake up you asshole Apple zombie, go suck your idol Steve off. Show him that you can give him his last name for christmas. He’d like that.
I don’t need to wake up, you’re the zombie, not I.
Yes there are much better players, yet you are willing to cash out 400 bucks for an overpriced player that comes with a shiny case and fancy buttons. And hell, they cant even play oggvorbis, the best sounding format on the market. After you just spent that much for a player and cant even play all the formats. How funny is that?
I guess you’re the one to think 99 cents a song is a good deal. HAHAHAHHAA!
What a loser.