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		<title>By: ana smadici</title>
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		<dc:creator>ana smadici</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;I M UNDER SIEGE&#039;&#039; for the almost four years, my voice was recorded and any time i make a call or get one when say&#039;&#039;HELLO&#039;&#039;I&#039;M cut off. I made over 30 (thirty )complains nothing has changed. any sugestions/?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;I M UNDER SIEGE&#8221; for the almost four years, my voice was recorded and any time i make a call or get one when say&#8221;HELLO&#8221;I&#8217;M cut off. I made over 30 (thirty )complains nothing has changed. any sugestions/?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Penguin</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22148/comment-page-1#comment-974535</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 21:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only question is a simple one, that also shows only corporations have any rights in Canada. Why is it that the RCMP must obtain a search warrant to inspect your electronic communications and yet a private company can inspect every single packet you send and receive with no regulation at all ? I would really appreciate an answer on that one. One other little thing is why does everyone pick on the CRTC it protects what the acronym stands for  Canadian Rogers &amp; Telus &amp; Corporations service</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only question is a simple one, that also shows only corporations have any rights in Canada. Why is it that the RCMP must obtain a search warrant to inspect your electronic communications and yet a private company can inspect every single packet you send and receive with no regulation at all ? I would really appreciate an answer on that one. One other little thing is why does everyone pick on the CRTC it protects what the acronym stands for  Canadian Rogers &amp; Telus &amp; Corporations service</p>
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		<title>By: thenonconformer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22148/comment-page-1#comment-974511</link>
		<dc:creator>thenonconformer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 13:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;all people such as myself with a Bell telephone line but use a 3rd party ISP for high-speed Internet sue Bell in a class action lawsuit! This is simply based on contract law, I have a Bell home phone line that I pay strictly for local calling  . When I switched from dial-up Internet access many years ago to high-speed, I went with a 3rd party ISP,  and my ISP contacted Bell on my behalf to get my local line connected to Bellâs high-speed line. So then in my next Bell bill under monthly services a new item appeared it said: 1 High Speed-up to 4.0 Mbps and there was no extra charge for this service!&quot; .. Just because Bell connects its residential customers to its high-speed service so that these consumers may use 3rd party ISP resellers of Bellâs capacity; does that give Bell any legal right to sift through this private data, set parameters of access to Internet speed based on the type of data being sent/received and set predetermined time frames in order to restrict the flow of data?â 

Therefore I have a contract with Bell and I can sue them for interfering with my phone line. But why do we need a government and pay taxes if we have to fend ourselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;all people such as myself with a Bell telephone line but use a 3rd party ISP for high-speed Internet sue Bell in a class action lawsuit! This is simply based on contract law, I have a Bell home phone line that I pay strictly for local calling  . When I switched from dial-up Internet access many years ago to high-speed, I went with a 3rd party ISP,  and my ISP contacted Bell on my behalf to get my local line connected to Bellâs high-speed line. So then in my next Bell bill under monthly services a new item appeared it said: 1 High Speed-up to 4.0 Mbps and there was no extra charge for this service!&#8221; .. Just because Bell connects its residential customers to its high-speed service so that these consumers may use 3rd party ISP resellers of Bellâs capacity; does that give Bell any legal right to sift through this private data, set parameters of access to Internet speed based on the type of data being sent/received and set predetermined time frames in order to restrict the flow of data?â </p>
<p>Therefore I have a contract with Bell and I can sue them for interfering with my phone line. But why do we need a government and pay taxes if we have to fend ourselves?</p>
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		<title>By: thenonconformer</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22148/comment-page-1#comment-974510</link>
		<dc:creator>thenonconformer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 13:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Bell Canada, with the tacit approval of the Stephen Harper government, is trampling roughshod, over its own customers, including smaller ISPs.

TO BE FAIR THE lIBERALS ALSO GO ALONG WITH BAD BELL. I had spoken and asked directly Quebecs fininance minister Monique Foreget to deal with bad bell but she was hesitant to and i wondered why till I had next read  that the new head of the Quebecâs pension fund is Michael Sabia, former head of Bell Canada Enterprises, who took over in March of this year. 
  
QUEBCERS AND THE Quebecâs pension fund IS NOW IN REAL  TROUBLE,  JUST LOOK AT THE BAD EFFECT THE SAME PERSON SABIA  HAD ON BELL, WHOSE STOCKS, SALES, SERVICES, CUSTOMER SATISFACTION  HAVE GONE DONE DRASTICALLY. I HOPE THEY ARE ALL NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO LET HIM INVEST OUR MONEY INTO BELL AS WELL 

so what does IGGY say about all of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Bell Canada, with the tacit approval of the Stephen Harper government, is trampling roughshod, over its own customers, including smaller ISPs.</p>
<p>TO BE FAIR THE lIBERALS ALSO GO ALONG WITH BAD BELL. I had spoken and asked directly Quebecs fininance minister Monique Foreget to deal with bad bell but she was hesitant to and i wondered why till I had next read  that the new head of the Quebecâs pension fund is Michael Sabia, former head of Bell Canada Enterprises, who took over in March of this year. </p>
<p>QUEBCERS AND THE Quebecâs pension fund IS NOW IN REAL  TROUBLE,  JUST LOOK AT THE BAD EFFECT THE SAME PERSON SABIA  HAD ON BELL, WHOSE STOCKS, SALES, SERVICES, CUSTOMER SATISFACTION  HAVE GONE DONE DRASTICALLY. I HOPE THEY ARE ALL NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO LET HIM INVEST OUR MONEY INTO BELL AS WELL </p>
<p>so what does IGGY say about all of this?</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22148/comment-page-1#comment-974426</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how Charles&#039; &quot;angle&quot; is any different from anyone elses in this matter.
Whether you get your phoneline from Bell or not, the throttled 3rd party service is still the same issue.

Phone service is one thing.
Internet is another.

It is also why I&#039;ve been saying all along that Bell should have been segregated into separately-owned and independent companies way back after Sympatico was born.  If you&#039;re going to have any kind of fair competition or even fair service pricing, the &quot;telephone provider&quot; should never have been allowed to also be an &quot;internet service provider&quot;, as well as a &quot;satellite service provider&quot; and &quot;content provider&quot;.

Bell&#039;s been getting away with operating 4 companies with &quot;separate&quot; brands that we&#039;re supposed to believe &quot;can&#039;t interact&quot;, yet the shared resources between the &quot;phone company&quot; and the &quot;internet company&quot; are being used as a weapon against any fair competition.  The same goes for the &quot;content company&quot; and the &quot;internet company&quot;.

If just the &quot;internet company&quot; alone had been taken out from under the Bell umbrella, we wouldn&#039;t be having even half of these discussions.  The infrastructure, which wouldn&#039;t even have emerged without public money, should never have been run by anyone who is also competing for internet service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how Charles&#8217; &#8220;angle&#8221; is any different from anyone elses in this matter.<br />
Whether you get your phoneline from Bell or not, the throttled 3rd party service is still the same issue.</p>
<p>Phone service is one thing.<br />
Internet is another.</p>
<p>It is also why I&#8217;ve been saying all along that Bell should have been segregated into separately-owned and independent companies way back after Sympatico was born.  If you&#8217;re going to have any kind of fair competition or even fair service pricing, the &#8220;telephone provider&#8221; should never have been allowed to also be an &#8220;internet service provider&#8221;, as well as a &#8220;satellite service provider&#8221; and &#8220;content provider&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bell&#8217;s been getting away with operating 4 companies with &#8220;separate&#8221; brands that we&#8217;re supposed to believe &#8220;can&#8217;t interact&#8221;, yet the shared resources between the &#8220;phone company&#8221; and the &#8220;internet company&#8221; are being used as a weapon against any fair competition.  The same goes for the &#8220;content company&#8221; and the &#8220;internet company&#8221;.</p>
<p>If just the &#8220;internet company&#8221; alone had been taken out from under the Bell umbrella, we wouldn&#8217;t be having even half of these discussions.  The infrastructure, which wouldn&#8217;t even have emerged without public money, should never have been run by anyone who is also competing for internet service.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22148/comment-page-1#comment-974424</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. - The Canadian government *wants* DPI - it will allow us to enforce ACTA when it comes through.  They *want* Bell to be inspecting communications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. &#8211; The Canadian government *wants* DPI &#8211; it will allow us to enforce ACTA when it comes through.  They *want* Bell to be inspecting communications.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the editor: Charles&#039; quote is too long and rambling.  It detracts from the core issues.  

I agree that the CRTC, and the Canadian government in general have failed us as consumers, and that Bell should be accountable to the courts, and the people they screwed over.  It could be said with far less words.

This article makes the idea of a Class-Action look like only rambling fools with loose interpretations of reality are really interested in it.

Instead, I suggest a point-by-point interpretation - which I do not have time to write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the editor: Charles&#8217; quote is too long and rambling.  It detracts from the core issues.  </p>
<p>I agree that the CRTC, and the Canadian government in general have failed us as consumers, and that Bell should be accountable to the courts, and the people they screwed over.  It could be said with far less words.</p>
<p>This article makes the idea of a Class-Action look like only rambling fools with loose interpretations of reality are really interested in it.</p>
<p>Instead, I suggest a point-by-point interpretation &#8211; which I do not have time to write.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 11:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are already class actions started, but they require you to be, or have been, with Bell when you were throttled.

There is nothing for those using wholesale services that have been throttled without notice.

The only ones I can see being able to handle this would be the likes of PIAC, C.A.C., or the Quebec Consumers Union, maybe CIPPIC if its in their mandate.

Other than them, no clue.

So if Charles is serious, and wants to make four phone calls or write four Emails, these are the four groups I would pose my questions to.

This theme and topic comes up about twice a month. Most don&#039;t want to go beyond writing a rant.

Based on the evidence provided by this coalition, you may also have the right to file with the Privacy Commissioner of Canada (which is free). But you will have to write it and word it according to how your rights are being invaded, and open for exploitation, since we all know this is Bell&#039;s (and Rogers) next move (same with Cell).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are already class actions started, but they require you to be, or have been, with Bell when you were throttled.</p>
<p>There is nothing for those using wholesale services that have been throttled without notice.</p>
<p>The only ones I can see being able to handle this would be the likes of PIAC, C.A.C., or the Quebec Consumers Union, maybe CIPPIC if its in their mandate.</p>
<p>Other than them, no clue.</p>
<p>So if Charles is serious, and wants to make four phone calls or write four Emails, these are the four groups I would pose my questions to.</p>
<p>This theme and topic comes up about twice a month. Most don&#8217;t want to go beyond writing a rant.</p>
<p>Based on the evidence provided by this coalition, you may also have the right to file with the Privacy Commissioner of Canada (which is free). But you will have to write it and word it according to how your rights are being invaded, and open for exploitation, since we all know this is Bell&#8217;s (and Rogers) next move (same with Cell).</p>
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