Comments on: Enabling musicians to sell their music http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22544 p2pnet.net - reader powered Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:32:22 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: WinstonSmith1984 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22544/comment-page-1#comment-975150 WinstonSmith1984 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:55:36 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=22544#comment-975150 Interesting article but it still doesn't address how musicians will actually make any money selling music. I'd rather read the article that explains how that's going to happen. Right now touring is the only way to get paid. Music itself has to be given away free. If you don't, or can't, tour then music is only a hobby. You can't make a living from it. I want someone to figure out how we go forward from here. I agree that record labels are obsolete but we need a way to earn some kind of money from the music we make so we can continue to make more without having to go get a job doing something that just wastes valuable time that could have been used creating more music. I do agree that storage capacity is increasing at such a rate that it would technically be possible to share everything ever made, that is as long as your ISP doesn't cut your speed or kick you off for using a P2P program. Yeah, that's aimed right at Comcast. Really though, just because you could download every album ever made, who would really want to? Interesting article but it still doesn’t address how musicians will actually make any money selling music. I’d rather read the article that explains how that’s going to happen. Right now touring is the only way to get paid. Music itself has to be given away free. If you don’t, or can’t, tour then music is only a hobby. You can’t make a living from it. I want someone to figure out how we go forward from here. I agree that record labels are obsolete but we need a way to earn some kind of money from the music we make so we can continue to make more without having to go get a job doing something that just wastes valuable time that could have been used creating more music.

I do agree that storage capacity is increasing at such a rate that it would technically be possible to share everything ever made, that is as long as your ISP doesn’t cut your speed or kick you off for using a P2P program. Yeah, that’s aimed right at Comcast. Really though, just because you could download every album ever made, who would really want to?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22544/comment-page-1#comment-975124 Reader's Write Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:38:34 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=22544#comment-975124 Yeah nice theory, but there's more music than that, and hopefully at least 50% of us already would prefer lossless files, not lossy mp3s, and for music's sake, hopefully the younger generation will realize the crummy audio quality they've been lapping up at some point. Just have to get them out of those stock earbuds and buy them a nice pair of speakers for their rooms! Still that's a very intriguing chart. The thought that in only a couple years time I'd be able to store every song I'd ever want to hear (not EVERY song ever made) ever again on a single device is pretty uplifting. :) Yeah nice theory, but there’s more music than that, and hopefully at least 50% of us already would prefer lossless files, not lossy mp3s, and for music’s sake, hopefully the younger generation will realize the crummy audio quality they’ve been lapping up at some point. Just have to get them out of those stock earbuds and buy them a nice pair of speakers for their rooms!

Still that’s a very intriguing chart. The thought that in only a couple years time I’d be able to store every song I’d ever want to hear (not EVERY song ever made) ever again on a single device is pretty uplifting. :)

]]> By: Crosbie Fitch http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22544/comment-page-1#comment-975058 Crosbie Fitch Sun, 31 May 2009 14:12:01 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=22544#comment-975058 Perhaps the price column should better be read as "Price per Tebibyte" rather than retail price of a 1TB hard drive, i.e. how much is the price per TB of a 100TB drive array (as would be needed to store 100TiB)? Perhaps the price column should better be read as “Price per Tebibyte” rather than retail price of a 1TB hard drive, i.e. how much is the price per TB of a 100TB drive array (as would be needed to store 100TiB)?

]]> By: G http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22544/comment-page-1#comment-975045 G Sun, 31 May 2009 11:19:38 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=22544#comment-975045 I do agree however, that we're probably close to storage breakthroughs that will leave all current harddrives obsolete, there's a lot of research on this field coming mostly from nanotechnology, so we can expect Petabyte storage the size of a quarter any time within the next 10 years. And that'll easily hold all the music ever recorded, not to mention improvements in audio compression formats I do agree however, that we’re probably close to storage breakthroughs that will leave all current harddrives obsolete, there’s a lot of research on this field coming mostly from nanotechnology, so we can expect Petabyte storage the size of a quarter any time within the next 10 years. And that’ll easily hold all the music ever recorded, not to mention improvements in audio compression formats

]]> By: G http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22544/comment-page-1#comment-975043 G Sun, 31 May 2009 11:17:05 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=22544#comment-975043 You should redo your math, the cheapest you can buy a 1Tb drive is around USD $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433 Also getting all that music is a bit of a problem (aside from the copyright issues) We have a website where we let people store all the files they want for free, we have some hard core music collectors, we have several millions of files already, costing us several terabytes (and more than anything money on bandwidth, if only we could share all that data over p2p, but copyright issues screw us and all the files have to remain private to the uploaders) and we know we're still nowhere near having a complete music collection. Cool idea though, it'll certainly be like that the day that copyright issues are no more You should redo your math, the cheapest you can buy a 1Tb drive is around USD $90

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433

Also getting all that music is a bit of a problem (aside from the copyright issues)

We have a website where we let people store all the files they want for free, we have some hard core music collectors, we have several millions of files already, costing us several terabytes (and more than anything money on bandwidth, if only we could share all that data over p2p, but copyright issues screw us and all the files have to remain private to the uploaders) and we know we’re still nowhere near having a complete music collection.

Cool idea though, it’ll certainly be like that the day that copyright issues are no more

]]> By: Crosbie Fitch http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22544/comment-page-1#comment-975041 Crosbie Fitch Sun, 31 May 2009 10:22:21 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=22544#comment-975041 I did say 'back of envelope', and don't forget there's still 7 months left in 2009 for a 1TB drive to reach $40. This item was on my shopping list about a month ago: Item: Hitachi DeskStar 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache - OEM Qty: 1Cost: £52.16 So, please do tweak the prices more in line with your expectations. You might also decide that 100MiB per CD is a little generous. Any labels might also like to provide more accurate figures for CDs released to date each year for the last 40 years and forecasts for the next 10. Anyway, the point is that by 2015, at a ROUGH GUESS, you'll probably be able to store all the CDs ever released as MP3 files on a hard drive that costs around $100. The cost of a few UltraVioletRay HDDVD-ROM packs of the same capacity is also probably going to be around the same price - Total Music Jukeboxes aren't that far away... I did say ‘back of envelope’, and don’t forget there’s still 7 months left in 2009 for a 1TB drive to reach $40.

This item was on my shopping list about a month ago:
Item: Hitachi DeskStar 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache – OEM
Qty: 1Cost: £52.16

So, please do tweak the prices more in line with your expectations. You might also decide that 100MiB per CD is a little generous. Any labels might also like to provide more accurate figures for CDs released to date each year for the last 40 years and forecasts for the next 10.

Anyway, the point is that by 2015, at a ROUGH GUESS, you’ll probably be able to store all the CDs ever released as MP3 files on a hard drive that costs around $100. The cost of a few UltraVioletRay HDDVD-ROM packs of the same capacity is also probably going to be around the same price – Total Music Jukeboxes aren’t that far away…

]]> By: kdsde http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22544/comment-page-1#comment-975028 kdsde Sun, 31 May 2009 02:05:36 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=22544#comment-975028 $39.49 for 1 TB in 2009 what $ is that and is he assuming street retail prizes here? I have seen some weeks ago those nice little 1 Terrabite [sic!] ;-) STORE alu external drives from Toshiba for EUR 70,- as a special offer at a supermarket(!) opening(*) "Normal" streetprice is 89 to 99 euro at the moment in germany (89 Euro = 125,80 US-Dollar, 89 Euro = 157,45 Australia Dollar, 89 Euros = 137.61 Canadian dollars) (*) http://bayimg.com/aaojcaaBl $39.49 for 1 TB in 2009 what $ is that and is he assuming street retail prizes here?

I have seen some weeks ago those nice little 1 Terrabite [sic!] ;-) STORE alu external drives from Toshiba for EUR 70,- as a special offer at a supermarket(!) opening(*) “Normal” streetprice is 89 to 99 euro at the moment in germany (89 Euro = 125,80 US-Dollar, 89 Euro = 157,45 Australia Dollar, 89 Euros = 137.61 Canadian dollars)

(*) http://bayimg.com/aaojcaaBl

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22544/comment-page-1#comment-975010 Reader's Write Sat, 30 May 2009 22:16:35 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/?p=22544#comment-975010 Uhm.....I know prices have dropped significantly as technology has improved, but I've yet to see a 1 TB drive for 40 bucks. In fact, I've yet to see a 40 GB drive for that price, so I think the theory is pretty flawed. Uhm…..I know prices have dropped significantly as technology has improved, but I’ve yet to see a 1 TB drive for 40 bucks. In fact, I’ve yet to see a 40 GB drive for that price, so I think the theory is pretty flawed.

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