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	<title>Comments on: Ex-RIAA boss Rosen: when fans took control</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22639/comment-page-1#comment-975406</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The $10,000 &quot;mic-warmer&quot; is nothing compared to the what the music executives pocket. The industry ranks have been so top-heavy with do-nothing fat cats that the current collapse of CD sales will serve as a stimulus to clean out the reeking stables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The $10,000 &#8220;mic-warmer&#8221; is nothing compared to the what the music executives pocket. The industry ranks have been so top-heavy with do-nothing fat cats that the current collapse of CD sales will serve as a stimulus to clean out the reeking stables.</p>
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		<title>By: RadialSkid</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22639/comment-page-1#comment-975360</link>
		<dc:creator>RadialSkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that the cost of recording and producing the band&#039;s album comes solely from their advance....right down to paying a &quot;specialist&quot; $10,000 just to make sure the mikes are &quot;warm.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that the cost of recording and producing the band&#8217;s album comes solely from their advance&#8230;.right down to paying a &#8220;specialist&#8221; $10,000 just to make sure the mikes are &#8220;warm.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22639/comment-page-1#comment-975304</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it didn’t matter that they were giving the artist millions of dollars in advances, they were still the bad guy. &quot;

It only takes one or two artists reporting that record company contracts commonly rip off all artists (and no one denying the fact) for us fans to figure out who the bad guy is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it didn’t matter that they were giving the artist millions of dollars in advances, they were still the bad guy. &#8221;</p>
<p>It only takes one or two artists reporting that record company contracts commonly rip off all artists (and no one denying the fact) for us fans to figure out who the bad guy is.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Emrich</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22639/comment-page-1#comment-975267</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Emrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary Rosen is a corporate shill, pure and simple.

  The only &quot;education&quot; that needs to happen is for people to keep hammering home the FACT that copy&quot;right&quot; is a coercive monopoly privilege that was originally intended to expire relatively quickly, NOT last seventy years past the death of the rights-holder.

   Also, copy&quot;rights&quot; should never be held by corporate &quot;persons&quot;.
   &quot;Corporate personhood&quot; is another dangerous idea that there needs to be more education about.

   But hey, at least the dumb bitch is *trying* to not be a complete RIAA sockpuppet, and giving a halfassed nod to &quot;the fans taking control&quot;.

   Gotta love it when empty-suits like her try to sound like human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary Rosen is a corporate shill, pure and simple.</p>
<p>  The only &#8220;education&#8221; that needs to happen is for people to keep hammering home the FACT that copy&#8221;right&#8221; is a coercive monopoly privilege that was originally intended to expire relatively quickly, NOT last seventy years past the death of the rights-holder.</p>
<p>   Also, copy&#8221;rights&#8221; should never be held by corporate &#8220;persons&#8221;.<br />
   &#8220;Corporate personhood&#8221; is another dangerous idea that there needs to be more education about.</p>
<p>   But hey, at least the dumb bitch is *trying* to not be a complete RIAA sockpuppet, and giving a halfassed nod to &#8220;the fans taking control&#8221;.</p>
<p>   Gotta love it when empty-suits like her try to sound like human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22639/comment-page-1#comment-975252</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny that now she says that her private position on these issues was in complete contrast to her public position. 

The old &quot;yes, I said that, but that&#039;s not how I really felt&quot; backpedal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that now she says that her private position on these issues was in complete contrast to her public position. </p>
<p>The old &#8220;yes, I said that, but that&#8217;s not how I really felt&#8221; backpedal.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22639/comment-page-1#comment-975249</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All of the good things that the music industry has done over the years, and they have done many&quot;

WHAT GOOD THINGS? 

-Turning the 20th century into a artistic desert in which only crap and mediocrities is floating?

-Bullshiting the public with Madona shit, Britney slut and other non-sense for so many years that we were not even born when they started, by using what they called &quot;&quot;marketing&quot;&quot; but was actually brainwhasing?

-Riping off the artists by coercing them to sign crappy and unfair contracts?  

-keeping into the dark so many great artists because they were business-wise too unpredictable?

It is incredible if very few bright light at all managed to pierce into the goo they created!

They are just a pack of parasites and criminals such as Spector and they should be exterminated.

The good news is that we are almost done with them.


NEANWHILE CONTINUE THE BOYCOTT AND DO NOT SETTLE! 
 
Never negotiate with terrorists whether their names is vivendique universale, sony/bmg, emi, time warner or el quada!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All of the good things that the music industry has done over the years, and they have done many&#8221;</p>
<p>WHAT GOOD THINGS? </p>
<p>-Turning the 20th century into a artistic desert in which only crap and mediocrities is floating?</p>
<p>-Bullshiting the public with Madona shit, Britney slut and other non-sense for so many years that we were not even born when they started, by using what they called &#8220;&#8221;marketing&#8221;" but was actually brainwhasing?</p>
<p>-Riping off the artists by coercing them to sign crappy and unfair contracts?  </p>
<p>-keeping into the dark so many great artists because they were business-wise too unpredictable?</p>
<p>It is incredible if very few bright light at all managed to pierce into the goo they created!</p>
<p>They are just a pack of parasites and criminals such as Spector and they should be exterminated.</p>
<p>The good news is that we are almost done with them.</p>
<p>NEANWHILE CONTINUE THE BOYCOTT AND DO NOT SETTLE! </p>
<p>Never negotiate with terrorists whether their names is vivendique universale, sony/bmg, emi, time warner or el quada!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Major labels biggest problem is being an asshole.&quot;
- pack mentality plays a role too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Major labels biggest problem is being an asshole.&#8221;<br />
- pack mentality plays a role too.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22639/comment-page-1#comment-975243</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sounds like to me Rosen took hippy to heart. Strange no one else is living that now. I see no extra joy beyond sharing and I grew up in that span. 

It&#039;s just the music industry has different standards than everyone else. Greed is a big factor in that standard. Since Rosen was high up in the RIAA organization, she is expected to spout the line of the day, you know...pirates, helping the artist, helping the office, the music industry, the whole line. Even when gone, as long as she does that, they will see she has a good job with someone. Whoever she works for will receive a bit of extra money, benefit, or consideration, because Rosen is employed there. Nothing will even be on record of course but under the table, now that&#039;s a different story as we all know that the organizations work that way, just from the seeing how they attempt to do when the go after the bigger p2p sites, such as TPB. 

Major labels biggest problem is being an asshole. Because of that more and more folks are having less and less to do with them. People didn&#039;t just stick that label on them, they earned it. I have no sympathy for the music industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sounds like to me Rosen took hippy to heart. Strange no one else is living that now. I see no extra joy beyond sharing and I grew up in that span. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just the music industry has different standards than everyone else. Greed is a big factor in that standard. Since Rosen was high up in the RIAA organization, she is expected to spout the line of the day, you know&#8230;pirates, helping the artist, helping the office, the music industry, the whole line. Even when gone, as long as she does that, they will see she has a good job with someone. Whoever she works for will receive a bit of extra money, benefit, or consideration, because Rosen is employed there. Nothing will even be on record of course but under the table, now that&#8217;s a different story as we all know that the organizations work that way, just from the seeing how they attempt to do when the go after the bigger p2p sites, such as TPB. </p>
<p>Major labels biggest problem is being an asshole. Because of that more and more folks are having less and less to do with them. People didn&#8217;t just stick that label on them, they earned it. I have no sympathy for the music industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22639/comment-page-1#comment-975235</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;fans adopted that same anti-record company viewpoint and therefore ripping off the man created some extra joy, not just a convenience factor.&quot;

Extra joy?? I think she is reading too much into this. 
People just want to share and want it to be easy. 
Sharing is human nature. 
This sharing is easy and costs nothing...like sharing the flame of your candle, completely unlike sharing your sandwich, which many people like to do anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;fans adopted that same anti-record company viewpoint and therefore ripping off the man created some extra joy, not just a convenience factor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Extra joy?? I think she is reading too much into this.<br />
People just want to share and want it to be easy.<br />
Sharing is human nature.<br />
This sharing is easy and costs nothing&#8230;like sharing the flame of your candle, completely unlike sharing your sandwich, which many people like to do anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: NO1UNO</title>
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		<dc:creator>NO1UNO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy...what can i say to this...I ALMOST feel sorry for that woman. they mind-fucked her so bad that even now she BELIEVES the record industry helps the artist, DAMN!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy&#8230;what can i say to this&#8230;I ALMOST feel sorry for that woman. they mind-fucked her so bad that even now she BELIEVES the record industry helps the artist, DAMN!!!</p>
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		<title>By: A_F</title>
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		<dc:creator>A_F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because most of them have no idea about distribution and marketing and this stuff.

So they need partners in the &quot;geek business&quot;. People that knows about p2p and all those stuff.

BUT those partners are definetly NOT the record labels and there is imo EVERY reason that *they* should not be it.

Starting with the ridiculous breakage fees deduction even in the age of polycarbonate CDs instead of shellac disks, over to the cheating that the labels are doing to artists when it comes to sales on itunes and closing with the absolutely stupid evidence that Labels don&#039;t get it when they allow their lawyers to call those p2p systems &quot;Online Media Distribution System&quot; MEDIA Distribution! Right, they now shred those polycarbonate disks (the MEDIA!) and blow them down the tubes in alaska! (But hey; At least the breakage fee deductions can survive this way!) ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because most of them have no idea about distribution and marketing and this stuff.</p>
<p>So they need partners in the &#8220;geek business&#8221;. People that knows about p2p and all those stuff.</p>
<p>BUT those partners are definetly NOT the record labels and there is imo EVERY reason that *they* should not be it.</p>
<p>Starting with the ridiculous breakage fees deduction even in the age of polycarbonate CDs instead of shellac disks, over to the cheating that the labels are doing to artists when it comes to sales on itunes and closing with the absolutely stupid evidence that Labels don&#8217;t get it when they allow their lawyers to call those p2p systems &#8220;Online Media Distribution System&#8221; MEDIA Distribution! Right, they now shred those polycarbonate disks (the MEDIA!) and blow them down the tubes in alaska! (But hey; At least the breakage fee deductions can survive this way!) <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RadialSkid</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/22639/comment-page-1#comment-975210</link>
		<dc:creator>RadialSkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Artists still need partners.&quot;

Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Artists still need partners.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why?</p>
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