What is a “hub” anyways. Goto Best Buy and walk into the computer department and ask for a “Hub”. He/She will hand you a box with a device in it, a “Hub”. What is this “Hub” used for you ask him/Her. “A hub is a device that allows multiple access to multiple computers across a network”. If used for this purpose you would also need a “Router”, which will allow DHCP(assigned ip addresses to each computer) and NAT(Network Address Translation)”Hub Redirect list”.

OMG won’t I get arrested for this?

After all a “Hub” in general is just a “dumb piece of hardware”.

SNAFU
(YES that is my nick)

Unlike the federal government, P2PNet (Jon) and I talked about it like civilized human beings. We were able to solve all the differences of opinion and problems in under an hour, simply through a few emails. =/

~G

Go ahead, Check a dictionary. I’ll wait.

Acid

Its stressing to see all of this happening, and i know theres been a lot of recourse in what has happened. But in any case we will be fighting. They targeted a small portion of our network, becuase they knew they couldn’t handle the other 45 hubs, becuase they are not in the united states. We are claimed to have been “severly disrupted” during this whole endeavour becuase they took 5 hubs. And while we are highly upset and stressed at what has happened. We never once stopped the network to be disrupted by this, in fact the network is still in operation, and even after this people are joining together to work harder against what has happened. Maybe this is something that shouldn’t be mentioned, but its true, and the FBI can look into there little scam of sharing copyright materials in our hubs, and see the other 45 hubs are still in operation. Just out of there US jurisdiction.

However as it may be, we will try to keep everyone informed. We sincerley hope, that whatever this may lead to we can win one for the p2p networks in any scene. So as to rely the consequences back to the users who choose to share the illegal materials.

Acid

I do agree that if they are thinking along these lines, then the makers of the software and protocol would be just as liable. After all, according to their logic, they had intent, right? Well no, they didn’t. That’s the fundamental problem… neither did we. There was no intent. The Hub Owners didn’t open up their hub, hoping to be able to swap copyrighted material. They wanted to have a chat place THEY took care of and could call home. Unfortunately this is all to commonly overlooked.

~G

To the original poster, a-friggin-men! It is time to fight. I’ve seen the news when p2p users have been charged/sued, then pay a fine and slowly creep away limping. That’s not the way to do it. If you have done nothing wrong, then FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS. That’s what it’s all about folks. That’s what we’re preparing to do.

The Underground Network will live on. The forums will still be there like they always have. (After all, that’s the only thing available to “join” when you talk about the network.) I’m sure there will still be hubs with our name on them. (Hell, we usually find hubs with our name on them even when we know nothing about them.)

We may not win in the press. Doesn’t matter in the long run – we WILL win in court and that’s where it counts. I’ve read the affidavits that were used to obtain the search warrants. Horrid lies, deception, and misconstrued “facts” as I stated before. I cannot possibly see how it will hold up in court. Of course they had truth in them here and there, but I don’t see how they would of obtained the search warrants without the lies. Pity.

The error was on our end, not P2PNets. Many of us are used to a forum setting as opposed to a message board. Add the stress over the last few days to that and mistakes are bound to be made. =) We certainly apologize and give you permission to delete the posts that claimed you delete posts. (lol oh the irony…)

Thanks for the email conversation Jon.

Peace. ~G

Jon has been most cooperative in talking with us/me and resolving any small differences of opinion. I greatly appreciate it and am glad to be able to continue believing P2PNet is a good place to come and chat. For awhile I was starting to wonder if they were no better than the press. Jon quickly proved they are MUCH better.

You can reach me at “GuidoZ (at) Udgnet (dot) com”, but do understand that we are NOT talking about the case. I will field other questions/comments however (good or bad). Do realize we have become very busy and stressed, so allow time for a response if you’re looking for one. Remember the golden rule too.

Peace. ~G

Thanks – jon[at]p2pnet[dot]net

Page 18, what they’re looking for… It’s not “40TB of movies and other copyrighted material on those computers.” They’re after emails, log files, etc.

Also, the charge wasn’t direct (c) infringement, as I read it, but “conspiracy to commit.” E.g., the hub owner + two people swapping files illegally; the hub owner made an affirmative step towards that activity by running the hub (the prosecution will argue).

Personally I’m sick of being labeled a criminal – criminals hide and sneak around, I haven’t done anything wrong, I’ll continue to do what I do. When they come knocking on my door I’m fighting back. That’s one of the major problems with all of this NOT ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL has fought them in court – everyone is rolling over, forking over the cash and they lie to the media and the public and point to all those who have settled out of court after being bullied – they call us pirates, thieves, criminals. They quote their own one-sided studies, they try to dismiss the rest, they ignore the rights of the artists they sign (ie:not paying royalties to artists or CRIAA opposing SOCANS request for a new tariff) yet say they are concerned we are stealing from the very artists they have signed. They pollute our childrens minds with lies in school, they ram adverts about the evils of file sharing at the movie theatres … geez people. Time to take a stand don’t you think?