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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-5678</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 23:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn good to see you back on a pc bro - I never expected my friends to get hit like this....hope you and the others immediately effected by the raids are doing ok &amp; hopefully your legal team can help to set a precedent with DC being an acceptable application in the chat/p2p world.

_-Jile-_</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn good to see you back on a pc bro &#8211; I never expected my friends to get hit like this&#8230;.hope you and the others immediately effected by the raids are doing ok &#038; hopefully your legal team can help to set a precedent with DC being an acceptable application in the chat/p2p world.</p>
<p>_-Jile-_</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-5094</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the people raided I all I can say is thank the lord for ppl like GuidoZ and all that have posted here. It warms my heart that people are finally getting it. The DoJ didn&#039;t do any homework on this they just jumped in feet first. I would like to thank you all for the support! 
             Axeman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the people raided I all I can say is thank the lord for ppl like GuidoZ and all that have posted here. It warms my heart that people are finally getting it. The DoJ didn&#8217;t do any homework on this they just jumped in feet first. I would like to thank you all for the support!<br />
             Axeman</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-5024</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AS a Proud Dc user and x udgnet hub owner

what the american goveremnt did to them is excalty what they been doing for the last 4 years and what his idiot father did in the early 90&#039;s  
the american ppl need to learn who they need to put in to office and who not to elect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AS a Proud Dc user and x udgnet hub owner</p>
<p>what the american goveremnt did to them is excalty what they been doing for the last 4 years and what his idiot father did in the early 90&#8217;s<br />
the american ppl need to learn who they need to put in to office and who not to elect.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-5025</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AS a Proud Dc user and x udgnet hub owner

what the american goveremnt did to them is excalty what they been doing for the last 4 years and what his idiot father did in the early 90&#039;s  
the american ppl need to learn who they need to put in to office and who not to elect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AS a Proud Dc user and x udgnet hub owner</p>
<p>what the american goveremnt did to them is excalty what they been doing for the last 4 years and what his idiot father did in the early 90&#8217;s<br />
the american ppl need to learn who they need to put in to office and who not to elect.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-4983</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2004 04:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wrote my legistators a few years ago.  said technology had passed the established system and compared to the riverboat pilots of the 1860s.  Technology has been implemented and we have to update the laws to accommodate the technologies coming along.  The OLD laws do not fit the current tech available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wrote my legistators a few years ago.  said technology had passed the established system and compared to the riverboat pilots of the 1860s.  Technology has been implemented and we have to update the laws to accommodate the technologies coming along.  The OLD laws do not fit the current tech available.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-4936</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as I have YET to receive an e-mail to be able to post in here with my NICK and all, I am stuck with the &quot;AC&quot;.

What is a &quot;hub&quot; anyways. Goto Best Buy and walk into the computer department and ask for a &quot;Hub&quot;. He&#039;She will hand you a box with a device in it, a &quot;Hub&quot;. What is this &quot;Hub&quot; used for you ask him/Her. &quot;A hub is a device that allows multiple access to multiple computers across a network&quot;. 

OMG won&#039;t I get arrested for this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I have YET to receive an e-mail to be able to post in here with my NICK and all, I am stuck with the &#8220;AC&#8221;.</p>
<p>What is a &#8220;hub&#8221; anyways. Goto Best Buy and walk into the computer department and ask for a &#8220;Hub&#8221;. He&#8217;She will hand you a box with a device in it, a &#8220;Hub&#8221;. What is this &#8220;Hub&#8221; used for you ask him/Her. &#8220;A hub is a device that allows multiple access to multiple computers across a network&#8221;. </p>
<p>OMG won&#8217;t I get arrested for this?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-4908</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. It&#039;s time more people woke up and started doing just that. In fact, it&#039;s all I have been doing since last Wed (8/25). Reading this reminds me of a favorite quote:

&quot;We must be the change we wish to see in the world.&quot;
     -Gandhi

It&#039;s time for a change.

~G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. It&#8217;s time more people woke up and started doing just that. In fact, it&#8217;s all I have been doing since last Wed (8/25). Reading this reminds me of a favorite quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;We must be the change we wish to see in the world.&#8221;<br />
     -Gandhi</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for a change.</p>
<p>~G</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-4907</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 04:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm. ok so you promote a system which believes in freedom of uh everything. you fight against a system you voted for (the government always gets voted iin) and you want a clueless president out and one with a clue (who would incarcerate you) instead.

If these people wanted to stop piracy they&#039;d go after usenet.
Usenet pays taxes. They don&#039;t care. They want headlines.
Usenet is as bad or worse than P2P :-) only it has one source not multiple sources. The sue-everyone ethic is something the USA has dreamed up and can not stop until someone changes the laws. IANAL and neither are you by the tone of the conversation. Change things if you can. At the moment you are working around them to create a global network that allows people who can&#039;t afford digital media access to it. Should the law change ? Should everyone be allowed unfettered access to digital media ? If you believe strongly about an issue, speak to someone who CAN CHANGE the way society dictates our access to media. It&#039;s all good and well voicing off against governments and the good fight and families but at the end of the day it&#039;s pure rhetoric! Change what you believe in. Read up on why laws are passed. Change them and then you have a say. Until then you are pissing in the wind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm. ok so you promote a system which believes in freedom of uh everything. you fight against a system you voted for (the government always gets voted iin) and you want a clueless president out and one with a clue (who would incarcerate you) instead.</p>
<p>If these people wanted to stop piracy they&#8217;d go after usenet.<br />
Usenet pays taxes. They don&#8217;t care. They want headlines.<br />
Usenet is as bad or worse than P2P <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  only it has one source not multiple sources. The sue-everyone ethic is something the USA has dreamed up and can not stop until someone changes the laws. IANAL and neither are you by the tone of the conversation. Change things if you can. At the moment you are working around them to create a global network that allows people who can&#8217;t afford digital media access to it. Should the law change ? Should everyone be allowed unfettered access to digital media ? If you believe strongly about an issue, speak to someone who CAN CHANGE the way society dictates our access to media. It&#8217;s all good and well voicing off against governments and the good fight and families but at the end of the day it&#8217;s pure rhetoric! Change what you believe in. Read up on why laws are passed. Change them and then you have a say. Until then you are pissing in the wind.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-4889</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I have to admit, thats one of the &#039;more polite&#039; things I&#039;ve heard this travesty called.

I&#039;m still waiting for msn/yahoo/jabber/aim/icq to be sued for the warez sent through their messenger clients.  Then of course there&#039;s the files shared on idrive/xdrive/yahoo-briefcase/others/geocities-websites/and the countless others where files are shared where they shouldn&#039;t be.... and most of them have been around long before Direct Connect, and the thousands of Networks that followed.

IRC has been around longer and yet I&#039;m not seeing actions taken on them.  Nor do I see the people selling warez in swap meets going away when they should also be long since taken care of with agencies like this using massive budgets - at least they could be targeting the people who are really making an impact..

*sighs* It&#039;s not going to get better for a long time folks.  1st we need to get the clueless Presidential failure out of office and get someone who can appoint better people below him.  Perhaps then, we&#039;ll be able to get somewhere legally.

I still get a macabre kick out of our Government telling other Countries how to handle their legal position on &#039;fair use&#039; which back before it was demonized was an accepted thing throughout America.  These days I think the p2p&#039;ers are about the only ones who even remember the Betamax case or what it meant before DMCA/US Patriot Act, were forced onto us (I still can&#039;t believe those two passed)...

Everyone I know in DC is ready to stand and fight side by side with our brothers in UDGNET.  There has always been lines of competition between the various groups in DC (take that to mean, we all want the most users and argue now and then about little things) but I can tell you this though, the lines have been blurred and we&#039;re all acting like a family for the first time since DC was new - this may be the trial DC sees in the future as the point we all became one again.... We&#039;re all tied together and when one falls, we all fall.

MPAA/RIAA - I do want to say this.  You have sued too many of us instead of trying to work a usable relationship out instead. You&#039;ve lost my future sales with no possible way of recovering me in any foreseeable way and - guess what - you&#039;ve lost most of the people I know as well.  You see, you cant just sue us and have us as customers later - it doesn&#039;t work that way.  Consider every movie dvd and music cd of yours on BOYCOTT.  You want to know why your sales are going down still, even though you are taking great effort to sue 14 year old kids and grandparents?  Because you lost them as customers and their family members, and their friends.  Disagree? Really? Go back and do the numbers again, and this time use the real ones and not the inflated losses where you neglected to count off the returns - nice try though RIAA.

Ok to end back on topic - Underground Network isn&#039;t&#039; going anywhere - the US does not have the power to take down a Global family of hubs and worst-case the other US hubs will just host in other countries where they have more freedom....  whoa, I guess the US isn&#039;t the land of the free anymore - its the land of sue-everyone-you-cant-get-to-buy-your-stuff-instead-of-changing-marketing.tactics ...  Sad....    Keep your heads up brothers, we&#039;ll fight for you.

_-Jile-_</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I have to admit, thats one of the &#8216;more polite&#8217; things I&#8217;ve heard this travesty called.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for msn/yahoo/jabber/aim/icq to be sued for the warez sent through their messenger clients.  Then of course there&#8217;s the files shared on idrive/xdrive/yahoo-briefcase/others/geocities-websites/and the countless others where files are shared where they shouldn&#8217;t be&#8230;. and most of them have been around long before Direct Connect, and the thousands of Networks that followed.</p>
<p>IRC has been around longer and yet I&#8217;m not seeing actions taken on them.  Nor do I see the people selling warez in swap meets going away when they should also be long since taken care of with agencies like this using massive budgets &#8211; at least they could be targeting the people who are really making an impact..</p>
<p>*sighs* It&#8217;s not going to get better for a long time folks.  1st we need to get the clueless Presidential failure out of office and get someone who can appoint better people below him.  Perhaps then, we&#8217;ll be able to get somewhere legally.</p>
<p>I still get a macabre kick out of our Government telling other Countries how to handle their legal position on &#8216;fair use&#8217; which back before it was demonized was an accepted thing throughout America.  These days I think the p2p&#8217;ers are about the only ones who even remember the Betamax case or what it meant before DMCA/US Patriot Act, were forced onto us (I still can&#8217;t believe those two passed)&#8230;</p>
<p>Everyone I know in DC is ready to stand and fight side by side with our brothers in UDGNET.  There has always been lines of competition between the various groups in DC (take that to mean, we all want the most users and argue now and then about little things) but I can tell you this though, the lines have been blurred and we&#8217;re all acting like a family for the first time since DC was new &#8211; this may be the trial DC sees in the future as the point we all became one again&#8230;. We&#8217;re all tied together and when one falls, we all fall.</p>
<p>MPAA/RIAA &#8211; I do want to say this.  You have sued too many of us instead of trying to work a usable relationship out instead. You&#8217;ve lost my future sales with no possible way of recovering me in any foreseeable way and &#8211; guess what &#8211; you&#8217;ve lost most of the people I know as well.  You see, you cant just sue us and have us as customers later &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t work that way.  Consider every movie dvd and music cd of yours on BOYCOTT.  You want to know why your sales are going down still, even though you are taking great effort to sue 14 year old kids and grandparents?  Because you lost them as customers and their family members, and their friends.  Disagree? Really? Go back and do the numbers again, and this time use the real ones and not the inflated losses where you neglected to count off the returns &#8211; nice try though RIAA.</p>
<p>Ok to end back on topic &#8211; Underground Network isn&#8217;t&#8217; going anywhere &#8211; the US does not have the power to take down a Global family of hubs and worst-case the other US hubs will just host in other countries where they have more freedom&#8230;.  whoa, I guess the US isn&#8217;t the land of the free anymore &#8211; its the land of sue-everyone-you-cant-get-to-buy-your-stuff-instead-of-changing-marketing.tactics &#8230;  Sad&#8230;.    Keep your heads up brothers, we&#8217;ll fight for you.</p>
<p>_-Jile-_</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/2285/comment-page-1#comment-4884</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long Live UDG
what you did was unfair to all of us at UDG

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what you did was unfair to all of us at UDG</p>
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